Posted: 3/16/2009 4:24:35 PM EDT
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Living in NY and having the remnants of the old AWB to deal with, Pre-ban still means something to me. I'm currently looking for a pistol in 9mm. My question is - what models can I get pre-ban mags for? I know of the following:
Berreta 92 Glock 17 Sig 226 Browning High Power Are there any I'm missing that I should consider? I currently have a 1911 that I really like, but I think I should have a 9mm too. So far, I've handled the 92 and didn't like it. I've handled the BHP, and while it is nice in that it's similar to the 1911, it would be nice to have a modern pistol, too. Thanks. |
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Astra A-80 Astra A-90 Astra A-100 CZ CZ-75B Daewoo DP-51 FN BDM Glock 19 H&K P-7M13 H&K VP-70Z IMI Jericho 941 IM Metal HS-2000 Para-Ordinance P-18.9 Ruger P-89 Ruger P-95 SIG P-228 S&W Model 5900 series S&W Model 6900 series Steyr GB Taurus PT-92 Walther P-88 |
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After doing more reading, I think I've narrowed my choices to the Glock 17 or Sig 226. The Glock seems to be available for less money, but for some reason I'm drawn to the Sig. Sadly, I can't find any dealer around here with either of them in stock that I can get a feel for what I like. I've handled a Glock 19, but the grip is too short for me.
I've been told by dealers that there's no way to tell a pre-ban from a current production mag, and I've been told that it's easy to tell the difference "but I don't know how". All of this from dealers. Not that it's a deciding factor, but for the Glock 17 and Sig 226 are there easy ways to identify pre-ban mags? I've read and searched on glocktalk, and there are a few threads that discuss pre-ban mags but none that explain how to differentiate them. Thanks. |
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they pobably have a production date stamped on them...(like AR mags)
where in NY are you? I'm actually going to see if one of the local dealers on LI still has a 92fs (15 round mag) & 92sb (13 mag) in stock... they did last week, but my budget wasn't ready yet. oh, if you're really following the letter of the law, the pistol needed to be produced prior to 1994 also, I think... Like an old Chevy SS "numbers have to match..." |
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RCap - I'm in Binghamton. Not too close to you.
As for the pre-ban, you can use a pre-ban mag in a new gun. Even with ARs. That being said, I bought a pre-ban AR just to avoid any hassles. And if I found a pre-ban pistol, I'd get that, too. But I wouldn't worry too much if I only found a post-ban pistol. Snake - Thanks for the pic. Subtle differences, but differences enough. |
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To expand on this last thought - how would I identify pre-ban Glock 17 or Sig 226 pistols?
I know the Glocks have gen 1, 2 and 3. Are gen 1 pre-ban? what about gen 2? I know gen 3 are not. I have no idea about the 226. From pictures of them on auction sites, I can't see any difference between NIB and ones that are advertised as being older. Thanks. ETA: Clarification - I know that there are gen 1, 2, and 3 glocks, but I don't know for sure how to tell them apart. |
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Quoted: All of the Glock brand non metal lined mags are preban, some of the full metal lined ones are. Most people use the location of the caliber marking to determine pre/post ban. Glock doesn't subscribe to this method and states that there is no such thing as "generations" of mags and there is no way to tell when a magazine was manufactured. Someone in MA was arrested with what appeared to be a post-ban mag. When the MA state police contacted Glock to determine when the mags were made, Glock pretty much told them to go pound sand. Said there is no way to determine when a magazine was manufactured regardless of where the caliber marking is. This can be verified by a few people who had preban magazines (that they got right before the ban) with the higher caliber marking. The new mags with the ambi cuts are obviously all post ban though and that can be proven since there was no ambi glock design in Sept of 94. To expand on this last thought - how would I identify pre-ban Glock 17 or Sig 226 pistols? I know the Glocks have gen 1, 2 and 3. Are gen 1 pre-ban? what about gen 2? I know gen 3 are not. I have no idea about the 226. From pictures of them on auction sites, I can't see any difference between NIB and ones that are advertised as being older. Thanks. Edit: about how to tell the generation of glocks appart: Gen 1 - fairly rare, smooth pebble texture wraps around the entire grip Gen 2 - checkered front and back strap with no finger grooves Gen 2.5 - not all models had a G2.5, finger grooves, no rail Gen 3 - finger grooves and a rail When any specific gun was manufactured is fairly easy to determine. Just go over to glocktalk and check out the S/N thread. |
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RCap - I'm in Binghamton. Not too close to you. As for the pre-ban, you can use a pre-ban mag in a new gun. Even with ARs. That being said, I bought a pre-ban AR just to avoid any hassles. And if I found a pre-ban pistol, I'd get that, too. But I wouldn't worry too much if I only found a post-ban pistol. Snake - Thanks for the pic. Subtle differences, but differences enough. Yes, the pre ban mags are available, for purchase in NY. Only pre-ban mags! Because the "letter of the law" says that it's grandfathered in for preban weapons... I'm not saying I don't have 30 rd preban mags for my new AR. or that I'm not getting preban G 19 15 rd mags... I'm just telling you what the law says. You can google it... the sun never set in NY. |
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Anyone have anything like the pic above for Sig 226? I found what appears to be a good deal, but I don't know how to tell for sure if it is pre-ban. Seller says he thinks so because the 15 round mags were pre-ban and there were higher capacity mags during and after the ban. Any ideas?
ETA: I think the guy is missing something. Sig's website shows new one's as having a 15 round mag standard? |
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Unfortunatly I got a feeling we will all be looking for pre ban mags soon  .Perhaps, but atleast for you, pre-ban will mean made new today. And you can still purchase a brand new mag. Here in NY, a Pre-ban has and will continue to be used, made on or before 1994... ( orwell was off by 10 years!?1984) 
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Well, I found a Glock. And, as a bonus, the frame itself if pre-ban according to a call to Glock with the serial number. I know it's not required, but I think it alleviates a lot of potential legal pitfalls with the legal system that doesn't understand it's own laws.
It's a gently used G17 with the original 2 mags. Now to find some ammo for it so that I am ready when it gets here and gets added to my permit. |
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After doing more reading, I think I've narrowed my choices to the Glock 17 or Sig 226. The Glock seems to be available for less money, but for some reason I'm drawn to the Sig. Sadly, I can't find any dealer around here with either of them in stock that I can get a feel for what I like. I've handled a Glock 19, but the grip is too short for me. I've been told by dealers that there's no way to tell a pre-ban from a current production mag, and I've been told that it's easy to tell the difference "but I don't know how". All of this from dealers. Not that it's a deciding factor, but for the Glock 17 and Sig 226 are there easy ways to identify pre-ban mags? I've read and searched on glocktalk, and there are a few threads that discuss pre-ban mags but none that explain how to differentiate them. Thanks. check ordance outsellers on the internet. i just got a damn near perfect sig 226R for 570 shipped. |
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When the weapon was made,does not mean jack shit,as far as the legality of pre-ban mags in NY! All NY legislators did was copy/paste the old federal ban! I agree with your statement. However, having both pre-ban mags and pre-ban gun just makes it easier in my opinion. Not all LEO are clear on the law. Some DAs would be willing to ignore the law to get a conviction and let it up to you to file an appeal. After all, if that happens he gets a pat on the back for winning and no retribution if the case is overturned on appeal. Having both as pre-ban doesn't preclude those things from happening. My hope is that having both pre-ban helps my argument to prevent them from happening. If I was really THAT worried about it, I wouldn't have any hi-cap mags. But finding a good deal on a lightly used gun made it an easy decision. |
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When the weapon was made,does not mean jack shit,as far as the legality of pre-ban mags in NY! All NY legislators did was copy/paste the old federal ban! I agree with your statement. However, having both pre-ban mags and pre-ban gun just makes it easier in my opinion. Not all LEO are clear on the law. Some DAs would be willing to ignore the law to get a conviction and let it up to you to file an appeal. After all, if that happens he gets a pat on the back for winning and no retribution if the case is overturned on appeal. Having both as pre-ban doesn't preclude those things from happening. My hope is that having both pre-ban helps my argument to prevent them from happening. If I was really THAT worried about it, I wouldn't have any hi-cap mags. But finding a good deal on a lightly used gun made it an easy decision. Thats a bunch of bullshit,if a LEO cannot tell the difference between a preban mag ,and a non preban mag,what makes you think they are going to know the difference between a pistol made before 94 and one that was'nt? The only time preban matters,as far as the firearm is concerned,in NY, is when you start adding evil features like tele-stocks,bayo lugs,and flash suppressors! Pre-Ban Pistols are irrelevent in EVERY way! The laws in this state suck bad enough,stop spreading bullshit! |
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hahaha.
If there is a weapon LEO can tell the difference on, it would be the Glock. Many LEA use glock. NYS AWB isn't a direct copy and paste of the Federal as u apparently think. It does directly include Hi cap mags for pistols. why do you think new pistols or rifles aren't sold w/ a mag capacity above 10 rounds... FYI. LEO is on our side in NY. They want the guns off the streets not out of our hands. LEO's aren't the same as the politicians attempting to confuse the meek and less inteligent citizens of our coutry. |
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