Posted: 7/9/2011 11:11:20 AM EDT
| So I called a local shop yesterday and of course no M&P9's, all are backordered! But the guy I spoke to said that he thinks s&w no longer make the m&p with a thumb safety......any truth to this? It doesnt really matter to me either way, but I haven't heard anything about this so I'm now curious. I'm looking to get the pistol with no mag lock, no internal lock, and no thumb safety, but could someone explain what the internal lock is exactly, and why it would be wanted? Also this will be my first pistol(as soon as my permit comes in) so any reason to want any of these locks/safeties? |
| The internal lock is nothing more than a feel-good safety measure intended to appease liberals. Mechanically, it locks up the action, preventing the gun from firing. There are some who feel the internal lock may lock up on its own during a self-defense encounter, rendering the gun useless (and the owner dead). I personally think it's another useless feature, and so I try to order my guns without it. The safety on my M&P is between my ears. |
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yea thats what i thought. thanks, and I called another shop today and I got the complete opposite answer!! They only have m&p's WITH thumb safety's. And FYI these two stores are about 3 minutes from each other!!! Oh and they also have a bunch of them. I'm sure they do.. In my experience no one really wants the ones with safeties. |
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The internal lock is nothing more than a feel-good safety measure intended to appease liberals. Mechanically, it locks up the action, preventing the gun from firing. There are some who feel the internal lock may lock up on its own during a self-defense encounter, rendering the gun useless (and the owner dead). I personally think it's another useless feature, and so I try to order my guns without it. The safety on my M&P is between my ears. The OP is asking about the thumb safety. I remember reading in a gun rag awhile ago that 70% of the M&Ps shipped were with the thumb safety. The chart of all available models can be found here |
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yea thats what i thought. thanks, and I called another shop today and I got the complete opposite answer!! They only have m&p's WITH thumb safety's. And FYI these two stores are about 3 minutes from each other!!! Oh and they also have a bunch of them. OP, my bad...I thought you were asking about the internal lock system, not the thumb safety.My M&P45 has the thumb safety, and it works well. easy to engage and disengage. If you buy one with the thumb safety, you can easily remove it later if you don't like it. That's what I plan on doing with mine soon. |
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yea thats what i thought. thanks, and I called another shop today and I got the complete opposite answer!! They only have m&p's WITH thumb safety's. And FYI these two stores are about 3 minutes from each other!!! Oh and they also have a bunch of them. OP, my bad...I thought you were asking about the internal lock system, not the thumb safety.My M&P45 has the thumb safety, and it works well. easy to engage and disengage. If you buy one with the thumb safety, you can easily remove it later if you don't like it. That's what I plan on doing with mine soon. I got confused rereading through the posts lol. Your first response DID answer my question because I was asking about the internal lock, so thank you. Then I was just wondering about the thumb safety. I didnt know that it was removable though, so that does help me out. In about 3 weeks I should have my permit, so if the store that has them WITH the safety only has them in stock, I'll go with that one and then remove it. I've waited long enough!! 
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The internal lock is nothing more than a feel-good safety measure intended to appease liberals. Mechanically, it locks up the action, preventing the gun from firing. There are some who feel the internal lock may lock up on its own during a self-defense encounter, rendering the gun useless (and the owner dead). I personally think it's another useless feature, and so I try to order my guns without it. The safety on my M&P is between my ears. The OP is asking about the thumb safety. I remember reading in a gun rag awhile ago that 70% of the M&Ps shipped were with the thumb safety. The chart of all available models can be found here ARJJ had it right lol, but thanks for the chart I never found that when looking on smith-wesson.com, but the SKU numbers will be helpful when I go to the store so I can make sure I'm getting the right one! |
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Yep, to remove the safety, you just punch out one roll pin, lift the sear block out, then pull the safety detent and safety lever out. Push the sear block back in, punch the pin back in and you're done. 5 minute job. Personally, I'm primarily a 1911 shooter, so I sought out the M&P9 with the thumb safety (I actually had to order it). Not a single shop around Indianapolis had a thumb safety 9mm or 40S&W in stock. I'm happy with it, but I'm not sure I'd recommend the thumb safety to someone new to guns for the aformentioned reasons. If you're gonna train with it, by all means, knock yourself out. You'll be happy either way with the M&P. A little M&P9 thumb safety porn.   
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