Posted: 12/9/2012 1:59:38 PM EDT
| Anyone carry with a Raven OWB holster? I am currently using a Supertuck for my Glock 17 and really like, but was thinking of giving an OWB holster a try. I like how high and close the Raven keep the pistol to your body. Anyone have pictures of concealing with a Raven? |
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I have one for my M&P 9 with X300. Its a very nice, high quality holster and very comfortable to carry. However, its still not ideal for every day carry for me. I tend to carry my Glock19 in a comp-tac or Ruger LCP.
It is a great holster when I go hunting though. |
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Do you really wanna pay $90 or more and wait 3-4 months for something anyone skilled in kydex can make? I am actually open to any holster in that style, just posted Raven in the title as that is what most here are familiar with. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Bought one from the EE a couple weeks ago, then ordered "pancake wings" from Raven. With them, it conceals nearly as well as IWB. I'm a big fan. At which position do you where your holster? What cant degree? 3:30 or so. It's the standard 10 degree cant. |
I used to be a big Raven OWB fan until I got my first X Concealment "C" holster. I've posted the following a couple times, so if it seems familiar...
First, Raven Phantom holsters are terrific holsters. Until I got my X Concealment "C" holster, it was the best OWB kydex holster I had found for concealment. The key of course being the need for holding the weapon very close to the body with the right cant for where you wear it so that there is as little printing out of the back, and the front, as possible. The Phantom does this very well. Second, understand that X Concealment also makes an "M" holster, which is basically the same thing as a Raven Phantom. I've not tried an "M" holster. My recommendation is for the "C" holster. Third, understand that the "C" holster gives up the modularity of the Phantom in that you can't change the belt loops or set it up for IWB. It is what it is, a kydex holster that is pancake style. So, with all that in mind, the "C" holster holds the weapon just a touch closer to the body than the Phantom in my experience. That's its design goal, per the guy I've traded emails with at X Con. It is not a big rectangle of a holster like the Phantom is. The Phantom has a rather large "footprint" on your waist when compared to what it's actually holding. The "C" is no larger than it needs to be--it has a very small "footprint" on your waist. My recommendation of the "C" is nothing more than a result of my desire for the most concealable, comfortable, OWB kydex holster I can find. Currently, the "C" reigns supreme in this category based on what I've tried. It holds the weapon so close to the body I'm not sure that it will be beaten, but we'll see! |
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Thanks for the replies, I actually found a local NC source for Kydex gear and am going to have him make me a holster  See if he can get some pancake wings on it for you, they will get the holster tighter to your body than just about any other OWB loops. I very rarely wear a jacket being in Florida and am a pretty skinny dude, so I have to carry IWB. I use a RCS Phantom with tuckable soft loops on offset wings and it works great, but if I had to go OWB it would definitely be with the pancake wings if I were going for concealed. |
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Thanks for the replies, I actually found a local NC source for Kydex gear and am going to have him make me a holster See if he can get some pancake wings on it for you, they will get the holster tighter to your body than just about any other OWB loops. I very rarely wear a jacket being in Florida and am a pretty skinny dude, so I have to carry IWB. I use a RCS Phantom with tuckable soft loops on offset wings and it works great, but if I had to go OWB it would definitely be with the pancake wings if I were going for concealed. For sure |
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I used to be a big Raven OWB fan until I got my first X Concealment "C" holster. I've posted the following a couple times, so if it seems familiar...
First, Raven Phantom holsters are terrific holsters. Until I got my X Concealment "C" holster, it was the best OWB kydex holster I had found for concealment. The key of course being the need for holding the weapon very close to the body with the right cant for where you wear it so that there is as little printing out of the back, and the front, as possible. The Phantom does this very well. Second, understand that X Concealment also makes an "M" holster, which is basically the same thing as a Raven Phantom. I've not tried an "M" holster. My recommendation is for the "C" holster. Third, understand that the "C" holster gives up the modularity of the Phantom in that you can't change the belt loops or set it up for IWB. It is what it is, a kydex holster that is pancake style. So, with all that in mind, the "C" holster holds the weapon just a touch closer to the body than the Phantom in my experience. That's its design goal, per the guy I've traded emails with at X Con. It is not a big rectangle of a holster like the Phantom is. The Phantom has a rather large "footprint" on your waist when compared to what it's actually holding. The "C" is no larger than it needs to be--it has a very small "footprint" on your waist. My recommendation of the "C" is nothing more than a result of my desire for the most concealable, comfortable, OWB kydex holster I can find. Currently, the "C" reigns supreme in this category based on what I've tried. It holds the weapon so close to the body I'm not sure that it will be beaten, but we'll see! X concealment is GTG, all my other holsters are in a box in the closet after using C holster, mag pouches and light holders. |
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I used to be a big Raven OWB fan until I got my first X Concealment "C" holster. I've posted the following a couple times, so if it seems familiar...
First, Raven Phantom holsters are terrific holsters. Until I got my X Concealment "C" holster, it was the best OWB kydex holster I had found for concealment. The key of course being the need for holding the weapon very close to the body with the right cant for where you wear it so that there is as little printing out of the back, and the front, as possible. The Phantom does this very well. Second, understand that X Concealment also makes an "M" holster, which is basically the same thing as a Raven Phantom. I've not tried an "M" holster. My recommendation is for the "C" holster. Third, understand that the "C" holster gives up the modularity of the Phantom in that you can't change the belt loops or set it up for IWB. It is what it is, a kydex holster that is pancake style. So, with all that in mind, the "C" holster holds the weapon just a touch closer to the body than the Phantom in my experience. That's its design goal, per the guy I've traded emails with at X Con. It is not a big rectangle of a holster like the Phantom is. The Phantom has a rather large "footprint" on your waist when compared to what it's actually holding. The "C" is no larger than it needs to be--it has a very small "footprint" on your waist. My recommendation of the "C" is nothing more than a result of my desire for the most concealable, comfortable, OWB kydex holster I can find. Currently, the "C" reigns supreme in this category based on what I've tried. It holds the weapon so close to the body I'm not sure that it will be beaten, but we'll see! Quite the review. I appreciate the input, I'm in the market for a kydex OWB for a G19 and I had selected the Raven until I read your reveiw and checked their website. I do believe I may give a "C" holster a chance. I got a few questions for them first. Perhaps you could answer a few of them...... 1. What are your thoughts on the snap-on series "C" holster v. the standard model "C"? 2. They tailor the holster to the customers waist size, I assume the larger your waist the larger the holster, if not, what is the difference between a 34" waist and a 44" waist holster? 3. What's your thoughts on the Combat Cut for an OWB holster? I've never carried this pistol OWB and I'm unsure if I need the Sweat Guard or not. Thanks again. |
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Quite the review. I appreciate the input, I'm in the market for a kydex OWB for a G19 and I had selected the Raven until I read your reveiw and checked their website. I do believe I may give a "C" holster a chance. I got a few questions for them first. Perhaps you could answer a few of them...... 1. What are your thoughts on the snap-on series "C" holster v. the standard model "C"? 2. They tailor the holster to the customers waist size, I assume the larger your waist the larger the holster, if not, what is the difference between a 34" waist and a 44" waist holster? 3. What's your thoughts on the Combat Cut for an OWB holster? I've never carried this pistol OWB and I'm unsure if I need the Sweat Guard or not. Thanks again. Ah, I have no problem dispensing my opinion! 1. I'm interested in their snap-on version of the "C." I've never handled one in person, so I don't have any real input. I have found that soft loops allow for a little more flexibility in the attachment points of the holster and this can lead to more "flopping" than with rigid loops. "Flopping" can make the fact that you're carrying a gun, especially OWB, more obvious. I'd still like to try one but I don't know if it sacrifices concealment for convenience. 2. I believe the waist size differences affect the angle of the pancake wings. A 34" waist has a smaller circumference than a 44" waist. So, if you think about the pancake wings extending beyond the holster, the two imaginary lines would eventually meet and form a circle. You're designating how big or small of a circle you want. I would think that if you ordered a holster for a waist size smaller than your actual waist size, the pancake wings would dig into your side rather than lay flat against your body because they are pointed more inward for a smaller "circle." In the reverse, a holster for a waist size larger than your own would leave the pancake wings lipping upward unnecessarily and would not conceal as well as I don't think it would hold the holster as close to your body as possible. I've ordered all of mine to my waist size precisely, and they are perfect. 3. I'm a big fan of the Combat Cut. A full sweat guard prevents me from putting my thumb in the right position for a full firing grip in the holster. No sweat guard allows the shirt potentially get stuck in the holster while reholstering. In between the two, or the Combat Cut, is tall enough to hold back your shirt but short enough not to get in the way of your thumb. Do it. |
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I'm going to order the standard Model "C" to start with rather than the snap-on. Excellent explanation pertaining to holster/waist sizes...makes alot of sense. I have the sweat guard on my Super Tuck Deluxe, but as you know it's an IWB holster. I've never carried concealed via OWB. I'm more concerned about a correct/full firing grip, sounds like the Combat Cut is the way to go. Thanks for the help. |
| I'm a big fan of this guy. Just got one a few weeks ago. It's now my go-to for my G23. |
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Thanks for the reply. I'm going to order the standard Model "C" to start with rather than the snap-on. Excellent explanation pertaining to holster/waist sizes...makes alot of sense. I have the sweat guard on my Super Tuck Deluxe, but as you know it's an IWB holster. I've never carried concealed via OWB. I'm more concerned about a correct/full firing grip, sounds like the Combat Cut is the way to go. Thanks for the help. No problem at all! One other thing I've done with 2 out of my 3 "C" holsters... I ordered a "C" for G26/27, but I wanted to be able to holster my G19/23 in it as well. If you ask for your holster to have an "open muzzle" in the special instructions field, they won't taper the bottom of the holster. It's basically asking for a "slide" version of your holster. I like to be able to put the larger models in my holster just in case. Not sure if you care about this or not, but that option is available if you ask. |
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Do you really wanna pay $90 or more and wait 3-4 months for something anyone skilled in kydex can make? Considering the Phantom for the Glock 17 is one of their quick ship (30 days or less to ship) holsters and costs $80, I'd say you're way off base with your comment. |
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Do you really wanna pay $90 or more and wait 3-4 months for something anyone skilled in kydex can make? Considering the Phantom for the Glock 17 is one of their quick ship (30 days or less to ship) holsters and costs $80, I'd say you're way off base with your comment. I just received my quick-ship Phantom for my 21... ordered on 11/20, got it 12/13. Very happy with my holster, and they have a system that sends e-mails as it moves through the production stages. |
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Do you really wanna pay $90 or more and wait 3-4 months for something anyone skilled in kydex can make? Considering the Phantom for the Glock 17 is one of their quick ship (30 days or less to ship) holsters and costs $80, I'd say you're way off base with your comment. It depends on the model of gun you have. I just cancelled an order for my g30 after I found out its be a minimum of 4 months before I could expect it. |
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I have a holster for my M&P from Kydex Tech. The quality is great and it was only $41.95 shipped and took less than two weeks to get.
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If I was thicker I could carry my full size M&P concealed really easily with a hoodie on. However, I am thin, and the grip prints badly. I think I am going to order one for my g19 for OWB carry. I was going to order one recently, but I think my wife got me a surefire x300, if so I want to get a holster my glock w/light. |
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One other thing I've done with 2 out of my 3 "C" holsters... I ordered a "C" for G26/27, but I wanted to be able to holster my G19/23 in it as well. If you ask for your holster to have an "open muzzle" in the special instructions field, they won't taper the bottom of the holster. It's basically asking for a "slide" version of your holster. I like to be able to put the larger models in my holster just in case. Not sure if you care about this or not, but that option is available if you ask. Wouldn't you have been money ahead just to order the "C" Series Slide Holster? It is designed for this purpose and costs about $20 less. What am I missing? |
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Do you really wanna pay $90 or more and wait 3-4 months for something anyone skilled in kydex can make? This is where I was, when I wanted a Raven. I had Fury make me one in OD, and a single mag carrier. Faster and cheaper, great customer service. I may have him make me some pouches for my chest rig for pistol mags, and maybe a flashlight, or multitool. It's one of my 2 favorite holsters. (other is a Milt Sparks Summer Special2 for 1911) (they do make these for glocks too, IWB though) |
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I have a holster for my M&P from Kydex Tech. The quality is great and it was only $41.95 shipped and took less than two weeks to get. Kydex Tech http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad227/sickmak90/CDB3CB35-9208-4516-BF5C-26C26C8FD180-517-000000D3FEDD458F.jpg http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad227/sickmak90/B0A17FB3-6F1F-4AC1-8C49-B34A61EBE06B-517-000000D409354E79.jpg If I was thicker I could carry my full size M&P concealed really easily with a hoodie on. However, I am thin, and the grip prints badly. I think I am going to order one for my g19 for OWB carry. I was going to order one recently, but I think my wife got me a surefire x300, if so I want to get a holster my glock w/light. |
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I have a holster for my M&P from Kydex Tech. The quality is great and it was only $41.95 shipped and took less than two weeks to get. Kydex Tech http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad227/sickmak90/CDB3CB35-9208-4516-BF5C-26C26C8FD180-517-000000D3FEDD458F.jpg http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad227/sickmak90/B0A17FB3-6F1F-4AC1-8C49-B34A61EBE06B-517-000000D409354E79.jpg If I was thicker I could carry my full size M&P concealed really easily with a hoodie on. However, I am thin, and the grip prints badly. I think I am going to order one for my g19 for OWB carry. I was going to order one recently, but I think my wife got me a surefire x300, if so I want to get a holster my glock w/light. ?? It is snug when using a nice thick belt. 
It may lean out just a touch, but it is pretty snug to my body. The length of the grip makes it hard for me to carry... I am running a blackhawk belt for OWB. Since my wife got pregnant I have gained weight lol. Maybe before May I will be able to hide this thing. It is hard to see, but the gun sticks out on the inside of the holster a pretty good bit, and makes the belt tight against the loops. |
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the pancake wings keep it flat against the belt? I've never had good luck with raven's using them OWB since they sag away from my pants. Are you using the correct belt size for the loops? If your belt is smaller than the loops then the holster will not sit correctly. If using the correct sized belt it should sit quite tight against your body. |
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One other thing I've done with 2 out of my 3 "C" holsters... I ordered a "C" for G26/27, but I wanted to be able to holster my G19/23 in it as well. If you ask for your holster to have an "open muzzle" in the special instructions field, they won't taper the bottom of the holster. It's basically asking for a "slide" version of your holster. I like to be able to put the larger models in my holster just in case. Not sure if you care about this or not, but that option is available if you ask. Wouldn't you have been money ahead just to order the "C" Series Slide Holster? It is designed for this purpose and costs about $20 less. What am I missing? I want more of the slide to be protected while carrying. The holster was primarily for carrying my G27, which the holster completely protects the slide. But I wanted the ability to also holster my G23 or G22 in that holster if that should be necessary for whatever reason. |
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the pancake wings keep it flat against the belt? I've never had good luck with raven's using them OWB since they sag away from my pants. I find the pancake wings offer a much tighter hold to the body. They're the way to go, if concealment is a priority, in my opinion. |
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the pancake wings keep it flat against the belt? I've never had good luck with raven's using them OWB since they sag away from my pants. I find the pancake wings offer a much tighter hold to the body. They're the way to go, if concealment is a priority, in my opinion. +1 The pancake loops pull the Raven in very close to the body. |