Posted: 3/12/2012 8:05:36 AM EDT
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I was wondering if plated bullets would lead a Glock barrel.
I am using 4.8 grains of 231 under a 115 grain FMJ bullet and wanted to know if this would lead if I switch to plated bullets shooting out of Glocks 26,19,17 and 34. Thanks! |
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They work great in Glocks and all other barrels without any leading because that's what the plating is for. I've shot 10s of thousands of plated 40, 45, and 10mm out of my Glocks and they all work fine. Only word of caution, don't over crimp your cases, just do it enough to remove the bell and you'll be fine. FYI: Did you know that Speer Gold Dots, premium SD bullets, are plated? Yep, they are. |
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Quoted: Thanks all! I'm gonna give these a try and use the lead data. Generally it's safest to start with lead data and modify as needed if you can't find specific plated data. Usually the charges tend to wind up being somewhere between lead and FMJ data. But there's quite a bit of published reloading data available for plated bullets. Accurate's current load datasheet has info on popular plated stuff from Berry's and Rainier using their powders: |
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No plated according to your owners manual which clearly states not shooting "unjacketed" bullets
Of course this is sarchasm directed at the "OMG u can't shoot lead" guys. But it is what the manual actually says. So according to glock you can't even shoot gold dots through the factory bbl. |
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I tried Berry's and Rainiers in my M31. At 15 yds. I had almost as many sideways holes in the paper as I did round holes and the group looked like a load of 12 ga. buckshot.
The same bullets shot fine in my Browning BDM. I put a Lone Wolf barrel in my M31 and its doing fine with the plated bullets now. Next I try them in my new XDM. |
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No plated according to your owners manual which clearly states not shooting "unjacketed" bullets Of course this is sarchasm directed at the "OMG u can't shoot lead" guys. But it is what the manual actually says. So according to glock you can't even shoot gold dots through the factory bbl. Must be a recent manual. My old Glock manuals don't even warn against lead...just reloads. |
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Quoted: FYI: Did you know that Speer Gold Dots, premium SD bullets, are plated? Yep, they are. Seriously? I just want to make sure I'm getting this right. Are you talking about this ammo? http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj394/smfdva/speeer.jpg?t=1235246926 http://floridaammotraders.com/homepage_files/speer.jpg HTR. Yep, Speer Gold Dots are plated bullets. Look in their FAQ section. In it they speak of the superiority of their TMJ bullets. TMJ stands for Total Metal Jacket and the only way you can completely encase the lead core in copper is to plate it on. FMJ bullets have a thicker copper jacket and the lead is swaged into it while plated bullets are made by forming the lead core to the bullet's shape, plating on the copper jacket, and then many makers strike the bullet again to ensure the finished product is sized correctly. |
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I swore off plated bullets in 9mm when I found that jacketed bullets from Precision Delta
cost less or about the same as plated bullets. I don't have to worry about how fast I push the jacketed bullets and it also eliminates the keyholing that is caused when plating tears on the plated bullets. |
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FYI: Did you know that Speer Gold Dots, premium SD bullets, are plated? Yep, they are. Seriously? I just want to make sure I'm getting this right. Are you talking about this ammo? http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj394/smfdva/speeer.jpg?t=1235246926 http://floridaammotraders.com/homepage_files/speer.jpg HTR. Yep, Speer Gold Dots are plated bullets. Look in their FAQ section. In it they speak of the superiority of their TMJ bullets. TMJ stands for Total Metal Jacket and the only way you can completely encase the lead core in copper is to plate it on. FMJ bullets have a thicker copper jacket and the lead is swaged into it while plated bullets are made by forming the lead core to the bullet's shape, plating on the copper jacket, and then many makers strike the bullet again to ensure the finished product is sized correctly. Wow, thanks for educating my ignorant ass. I never realized this. HTR. |
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Quoted: I swore off plated bullets in 9mm when I found that jacketed bullets from Precision Delta cost less or about the same as plated bullets. I don't have to worry about how fast I push the jacketed bullets and it also eliminates the keyholing that is caused when plating tears on the plated bullets. Cheaper ?? Maybe not. While the 115grn bullets cost the same ($82/K) between the two vendors below, the heavier weight 147grn 9mm bullets cost Precision Delta 147grn 9mm bullets, 2000 minimum, free shipping for $101/K = 2k for $202 delivered. TJ Conevera's sells Berry's 147grn 9mm plated bullets, 1000 minimum, free shipping for $94/K = 2K for $188 delivered, however, you can just buy 1K if you like for $94 delivered. Besides, you can't load a 9mm to overshoot the plated bullets. I've shot Berry's plated 165grn bullets in my G20L at almost 1600fps without any issues at all. Further, they are accurate enough for me to use them to shoot our steel plates at 200 yds with them. |
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I swore off plated bullets in 9mm when I found that jacketed bullets from Precision Delta cost less or about the same as plated bullets. I don't have to worry about how fast I push the jacketed bullets and it also eliminates the keyholing that is caused when plating tears on the plated bullets. Cheaper ?? Maybe not. While the 115grn bullets cost the same ($82/K) between the two vendors below, the heavier weight 147grn 9mm bullets cost Precision Delta 147grn 9mm bullets, 2000 minimum, free shipping for $101/K = 2k for $202 delivered. TJ Conevera's sells Berry's 147grn 9mm plated bullets, 1000 minimum, free shipping for $94/K = 2K for $188 delivered, however, you can just buy 1K if you like for $94 delivered. Besides, you can't load a 9mm to overshoot the plated bullets. I've shot Berry's plated 165grn bullets in my G20L at almost 1600fps without any issues at all. Further, they are accurate enough for me to use them to shoot our steel plates at 200 yds with them. Chances are, if you'd spend that extra $12 and buy the jacketed bullets from PD, you could move those plates on out to 300 yds! 
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I swore off plated bullets in 9mm when I found that jacketed bullets from Precision Delta cost less or about the same as plated bullets. I don't have to worry about how fast I push the jacketed bullets and it also eliminates the keyholing that is caused when plating tears on the plated bullets. Cheaper ?? Maybe not. While the 115grn bullets cost the same ($82/K) between the two vendors below, the heavier weight 147grn 9mm bullets cost Precision Delta 147grn 9mm bullets, 2000 minimum, free shipping for $101/K = 2k for $202 delivered. TJ Conevera's sells Berry's 147grn 9mm plated bullets, 1000 minimum, free shipping for $94/K = 2K for $188 delivered, however, you can just buy 1K if you like for $94 delivered. Besides, you can't load a 9mm to overshoot the plated bullets. I've shot Berry's plated 165grn bullets in my G20L at almost 1600fps without any issues at all. Further, they are accurate enough for me to use them to shoot our steel plates at 200 yds with them. Those are some good prices and thanks for the links! |
| seeing as all makers including glock say no reloads (nothing but a lawyer liability thing) if you are using reloads you are on your own for warranty issues with the gun. Most anyone who shoots alot that isn't wealthy uses reloads at some point. I use plain lead cast bullets in my glock oem barrel (and know a lot of other guys that do) with no ill effects at all- just give the bore a good scrub with a brass or stainless brush evey couple hundred rounds, and don't shoot jacketed bullets out of a leaded up barrel. Plated should be no problem. FYI a lot of the so called FMJ factories in the lower cost lines which most people use for blasting ammo are plated rather than a traditional jacket |
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Quoted: FYI: Did you know that Speer Gold Dots, premium SD bullets, are plated? Yep, they are. You could call them plated, but not like the plated bullets most think of. Gold dots have a thick jacket unlike Berry's thin plating. Email response when I asked this same question to Speer. Jim, Our Gold Dot bullets utilize a bonded copper jacket, in our terms bonded and plated are synonyms. Plating is more the process but it is a chemical process that bonds the copper to the lead core. I hope that makes sense. It is still a jacket of sorts but not your traditional cup and core or drawn copper jacket where the core is inserted or molten lead is poured in. Jacketed type bullets usually have a lead exposed base, copper plated/bonded bullets will not. Hope that helps. Austin @ CCI/Speer |