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Posted: 10/4/2023 6:55:23 PM EDT
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Has anyone heard any updates on a US release of the SFP9CC? I’m looking to replace my version 1 Walther PPS as my carry gun eventually with something with higher capacity. The Sig 365 is nice and my wife has one, but the HK seems like the perfect carry gun based on what’s known so far: smooth grips, paddle mag release, optic cut, 10rd capacity, very small.
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Hasn’t even been released for LE/Mil customers yet. Or if it has, it’s just barely gotten to them. It probably won’t be until 2025 at the earliest that we see them sold to civilians.
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Bump. I'm very interested in this model...
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Originally Posted By leib109: Hasn't even been released for LE/Mil customers yet. Or if it has, it's just barely gotten to them. It probably won't be until 2025 at the earliest that we see them sold to civilians. View Quote Plus, being such a small handgun, it will be more of a chore to import, lessening the incentive to do it unless they setup to make them in the US. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Plus, being such a small handgun, it will be more of a chore to import, lessening the incentive to do it unless they setup to make them in the US. View Quote I’m not at all knowledgeable about import regulations /rules so I’m curious, what is the issue with size with regard to importing? |
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Originally Posted By SnidelyWhiplash: I'm not at all knowledgeable about import regulations /rules so I'm curious, what is the issue with size with regard to importing? View Quote There's a bunch of other criteria, this form lays it out: https://www.atf.gov/file/61591/download |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Imported pistols have to achieve 75 points on the ATF's criteria system to qualify for import. Things like barrel length and overall weight play a part in the metrics, basically the smaller and lighter a pistol is, the harder it is to import. There's a bunch of other criteria, this form lays it out: https://www.atf.gov/file/61591/download View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By SnidelyWhiplash: I'm not at all knowledgeable about import regulations /rules so I'm curious, what is the issue with size with regard to importing? There's a bunch of other criteria, this form lays it out: https://www.atf.gov/file/61591/download Very informative! Thank you for taking the time to post this. |
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Originally Posted By SnidelyWhiplash: Very informative! Thank you for taking the time to post this. View Quote Like with Glocks, the compact and subcompact models started the serrated trigger, so they got points calling the a "target" trigger. They also import with cheap semi-disposible adjustable rear sights to get those points, and are changed to the fixed rear in the US before they go to distribution. I think the subcompacts like the 26 might even come in with longer barrel installed, that then are swapped out stateside and the long ones get shipped back to be reused for import. There's all sorts of little things some manufacturers do to get those points. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: There's all sorts of little things some manufacturers do to get those points. View Quote I've read that's why the "thumb rest" was added, to add import points for the G26/G27. https://blog.talongungrips.com/talon/how-to-identify-your-glocks-generation/ Attached File Attached File |
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I wonder if Shot Show will get us any more info on these….
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Originally Posted By D_Man: No worries, it's not a commonly known thing. And a lot of companies that do import small handguns play some interesting games to make those points. Like with Glocks, the compact and subcompact models started the serrated trigger, so they got points calling the a "target" trigger. They also import with cheap semi-disposible adjustable rear sights to get those points, and are changed to the fixed rear in the US before they go to distribution. I think the subcompacts like the 26 might even come in with longer barrel installed, that then are swapped out stateside and the long ones get shipped back to be reused for import. There's all sorts of little things some manufacturers do to get those points. View Quote I remember someone posted a photo on here a while ago of the “target” sights that were disposable. If HK wanted to get it here they could. |
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HK has said nothing about the micro. Its not even at shot show. I wonder what is happening with it.
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Nothing from the HK booth, according to them the pistol isn't available to the LE/Mil market yet. No time frame known or stated. Then the import issues and no info known and highly unlikely that production would be stateside
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Came here looking for updates on a possible replacement for my PPS M2, as well.
Seems to be even less into today than back in 2022/2023. |
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Still nothing it seems.
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Uses 10rd flush / 12rd extended mags. Also modular Chasis system: https://milmag.pl/2021/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/004-24.jpg View Quote HK has a way of consistently having magazines that are 2 rounds short of current industry standards. Maybe 5-7 years down the road they'll have 12 round flush magazines. |
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That optic cut looks crazy.
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Originally Posted By LV1976: HK has a way of consistently having magazines that are 2 rounds short of current industry standards. Maybe 5-7 years down the road they'll have 12 round flush magazines. View Quote HK and surefire. 2 peas in a pod. Always behind. Granted. Glock is even further behind HK and Surefire in regards to being up to date. |
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Why is this taking so long?
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60% of the time it works every time.
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Originally Posted By JohnfromHR: Why is this taking so long? View Quote So far, the only press on this thing has been at European arms shows geared toward LEO and MIL sales, and their own literature implied it was only for the LEO market. |
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I talked to an Hk rep in February. He said that we will get them. He just said "soon"... He said that he has fired one and loves it. Would not give me any more info.
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Just bumping this up for any little morsels of information. I know it could be a month or a year (or more), but I want one!
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We'll be lucky if it shows up on our shores at the end of the year.
Doubtful. |
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I’ve held out about as long as I’m willing to. I’ve not had trouble with my P365 and was going to pass to my wife as an alternative to her VP9sk and try the HK. May have tried two new HKs. I think I’m just going to buy another P365 and call it a day.
As far as HK goes it’s a double edge sword. I appreciate not being a beta tester, however how long does it take to test? Arfcom would have it done in a Sat mourning. Stack up tons of different ammo and let everyone go to town. Freeze them heat them rain on them. I don’t think HK hates us I simply don’t think they care. That may not be true of HK USA, but I’d have a hard time being convinced of HK Germany not feeling that way. |
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"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."
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Originally Posted By Ivan1: They did it for reliability. Consistent reliability. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ivan1: Originally Posted By LV1976: HK has a way of consistently having magazines that are 2 rounds short of current industry standards. Maybe 5-7 years down the road they'll have 12 round flush magazines. They did it for reliability. Consistent reliability. Do they have an idiot-proof feature to prevent loading cartridges backwards into the mags? Asking for an unknown HK brochure photographer. |
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Originally Posted By mc556: I’ve held out about as long as I’m willing to. I’ve not had trouble with my P365 and was going to pass to my wife as an alternative to her VP9sk and try the HK. May have tried two new HKs. I think I’m just going to buy another P365 and call it a day. As far as HK goes it’s a double edge sword. I appreciate not being a beta tester, however how long does it take to test? Arfcom would have it done in a Sat mourning. Stack up tons of different ammo and let everyone go to town. Freeze them heat them rain on them. I don’t think HK hates us I simply don’t think they care. That may not be true of HK USA, but I’d have a hard time being convinced of HK Germany not feeling that way. View Quote I don't think the Germans can even conceptualize the number of people who own and shoot guns, and especially that concealed carry guns, in the US. Their minds can't even process it. |
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Originally Posted By Gamma762: I don't think the Germans can even conceptualize the number of people who own and shoot guns, and especially that concealed carry guns, in the US. Their minds can't even process it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Gamma762: Originally Posted By mc556: I’ve held out about as long as I’m willing to. I’ve not had trouble with my P365 and was going to pass to my wife as an alternative to her VP9sk and try the HK. May have tried two new HKs. I think I’m just going to buy another P365 and call it a day. As far as HK goes it’s a double edge sword. I appreciate not being a beta tester, however how long does it take to test? Arfcom would have it done in a Sat mourning. Stack up tons of different ammo and let everyone go to town. Freeze them heat them rain on them. I don’t think HK hates us I simply don’t think they care. That may not be true of HK USA, but I’d have a hard time being convinced of HK Germany not feeling that way. I don't think the Germans can even conceptualize the number of people who own and shoot guns, and especially that concealed carry guns, in the US. Their minds can't even process it. I tend to agree. |
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Originally Posted By Gamma762: I don't think the Germans can even conceptualize the number of people who own and shoot guns, and especially that concealed carry guns, in the US. Their minds can't even process it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Gamma762: Originally Posted By mc556: I’ve held out about as long as I’m willing to. I’ve not had trouble with my P365 and was going to pass to my wife as an alternative to her VP9sk and try the HK. May have tried two new HKs. I think I’m just going to buy another P365 and call it a day. As far as HK goes it’s a double edge sword. I appreciate not being a beta tester, however how long does it take to test? Arfcom would have it done in a Sat mourning. Stack up tons of different ammo and let everyone go to town. Freeze them heat them rain on them. I don’t think HK hates us I simply don’t think they care. That may not be true of HK USA, but I’d have a hard time being convinced of HK Germany not feeling that way. I don't think the Germans can even conceptualize the number of people who own and shoot guns, and especially that concealed carry guns, in the US. Their minds can't even process it. They can’t. None of the Europeans can. Put me in charge of HK or FN and I’d have their US market share doubled in 6 months. It’s supremely frustrating to see two companies that are so capable of making awesome guns fail so hard on the business side. |
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If it's going to be announced this year, I'd suspect it'd be announced at NRAAM this weekend.
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Originally Posted By Mblades: They can’t. None of the Europeans can. Put me in charge of HK or FN and I’d have their US market share doubled in 6 months. It’s supremely frustrating to see two companies that are so capable of making awesome guns fail so hard on the business side. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By Gamma762: Originally Posted By mc556: I’ve held out about as long as I’m willing to. I’ve not had trouble with my P365 and was going to pass to my wife as an alternative to her VP9sk and try the HK. May have tried two new HKs. I think I’m just going to buy another P365 and call it a day. As far as HK goes it’s a double edge sword. I appreciate not being a beta tester, however how long does it take to test? Arfcom would have it done in a Sat mourning. Stack up tons of different ammo and let everyone go to town. Freeze them heat them rain on them. I don’t think HK hates us I simply don’t think they care. That may not be true of HK USA, but I’d have a hard time being convinced of HK Germany not feeling that way. I don't think the Germans can even conceptualize the number of people who own and shoot guns, and especially that concealed carry guns, in the US. Their minds can't even process it. They can’t. None of the Europeans can. Put me in charge of HK or FN and I’d have their US market share doubled in 6 months. It’s supremely frustrating to see two companies that are so capable of making awesome guns fail so hard on the business side. I always assumed its just because they understand their manufacturing capacity. HK is <1200 employees last I knew.....That is similar in size to Glock, however the breadth of HKs products vs. Glock (who are just making different variations of the same thing) would make supporting all the products very difficult. |
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Originally Posted By Plumber576: If it's going to be announced this year, I'd suspect it'd be announced at NRAAM this weekend. View Quote Yeah, that’s my guess, too (if it’s coming out this year). That would put it in the Fall/Winter ‘24 timeframe. They have a booth, which is a good start, since that’s never a given with HK at civilian shows. |
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Anybody heard anything about this thing lately. IS it even going to be coming to the USA if/when they do make them.
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The frost sometimes makes the blade stick!!
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As a guess, that might be one of the early products from their new US division, if they were having trouble getting it through the import process.
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Originally Posted By Chowser: VP9CC is not what they announced for the U.S. market. They're releasing something called the CC9. It's like a cross between an HK and a Taurus G3C. And has button mag release. I'm going to pass. https://i.postimg.cc/h4V07tkD/webcontent.jpg View Quote |
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Fuck that. That looks like a Taurus or Ruger with HK stamped on it.
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Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun.
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Originally Posted By Chowser: VP9CC is not what they announced for the U.S. market. They're releasing something called the CC9. It's like a cross between an HK and a Taurus G3C. And has button mag release. I'm going to pass. https://i.postimg.cc/h4V07tkD/webcontent.jpg View Quote That is so disappointing. |
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They do hate us...
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From UncleGreg’s noggin:
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Originally Posted By Chowser: VP9CC is not what they announced for the U.S. market. They're releasing something called the CC9. It's like a cross between an HK and a Taurus G3C. And has button mag release. I'm going to pass. https://i.postimg.cc/h4V07tkD/webcontent.jpg View Quote All abord the fail boat. I had forgotten about this gun and got all excited for a moment till I scrolled down. |
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Originally Posted By joe_sun: From Facebookhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/IMG_5482_jpeg-3340471.JPG View Quote That kind of makes my lip curl in disgust. |
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AND $700 MSRP!!! HK USA smokin flakka
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Originally Posted By J-D1911: That kind of makes my lip curl in disgust. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By J-D1911: Originally Posted By joe_sun: From Facebookhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/IMG_5482_jpeg-3340471.JPG That kind of makes my lip curl in disgust. They probably have some gun writer or wholesaler idiots convincing them that they need to get rid of the paddle magazine release in order to have mass-market appeal, just like they did Walther. I wish they could get it through their teutonic skulls that the area high on the grip is really important to gripping a handgun and should be textured, instead everyone seems to think it should be smooth nowadays. Then again people who make guns rarely know anything about shooting guns and incorporate lots of stupid stuff in gun designs. Then they hire pro shooters, the pro shooters tell them the stupid stuff they should fix, and the idiots tell the pros that they're wrong. Rinse and repeat. |
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The trigger needs to be as good as the VP9 to have any chance at success
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60% of the time it works every time.
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