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3/5/2008 1:21:15 PM EDT
What do you have in your .357 for SHTF?

Just picked up a 686+ and don't realy know what to load it with. Been a .45 guy all my life so wheel guns are a little new to me.

Thanks
Josh
3/5/2008 1:37:05 PM EDT
[#1]
125 gr JHP.  Most companies make one.  Haven't noticed a major difference in any of the flavors I've tried.  Buy two or three different makes and see which your gun likes the best.
3/5/2008 1:46:28 PM EDT
[#2]
125 or 158gr Gold Dots. With emphasis on the latter if barriers are a concern.
3/5/2008 4:48:55 PM EDT
[#3]
158gr. It is also easier on the gun then the 125gr.
3/5/2008 5:48:50 PM EDT
[#4]
158 Gold Dots
3/5/2008 5:59:24 PM EDT
[#5]
158 grain hard cast SWCs, if not heavier.
3/5/2008 8:26:04 PM EDT
[#6]
MuXi115,

Any one of these offerings from Hornady - I believe the "LEVERevolution" has the highest bc of the 4.

my $0.02

Cheers,

Sakic #19  
3/6/2008 6:06:19 AM EDT
[#7]
For carrying, I'm quite fond of the Speer .357 Mag Short Barrel load. A bonded bullet that is proven to reliably expand and penetrate well, with less recoil than is common with most .357 Magnum loads. Faster followup shots are, to me, a good idea.

At about a buck a round, you won't be stockpiling them like some people do with other rounds, though.
3/6/2008 11:37:13 AM EDT
[#8]
125 grain JHP for personal defense in CCW, I also use this as my HD round but I have very light doors and would not shoot thru anything else.  


This load is one of the few that are seen as being near perfect by both those who record actual shooting results, and those who test gelitin for results.

This is a classic defense load and has a better one stop stop rate then 45 APC
3/6/2008 2:10:42 PM EDT
[#9]
Winchester 180 gr Partition Gold for the initial volley... followed up by whatever you can get in bulk.
3/10/2008 8:00:32 PM EDT
[#10]
I have always been partial to the Winchester 145gr Silvertip hollow point, for a 357 carry load. When I was in LE, I saw two shooting with this load, the follow up shot on both was not needed. Kind of in between the 125 flame throwers, and the heavier 158 HP's. YMMV.
S/F
Flyingrhino
3/11/2008 9:18:47 AM EDT
[#11]
I keep Speer GD SB .38 in all my reloads because i carry both a S&W 442 and a model 60.

ETA:  My point is that for SHTF, the .38 is going to be more versatile.
3/12/2008 3:57:51 AM EDT
[#12]
I don't really keep a 357 for SHTF, I'm a 44 man myself, but some really nasty loads I've got for my 357 are the 148gr hollow base wadcutters turned around backwards in the case. The deep V hollow core in them plus the soft lead does an incredible amount of damage on game and would work on people as well.
3/13/2008 4:43:15 AM EDT
[#13]
I actually like the 158 gr. CCI aluminum cased Blazer in both my revolvers and my Marlin 1894C. It is very accurate, and loaded down slightly so recoil is pretty mild. Makes double action shooting much easier. It is fairly cheap and you don't have to worry about saving cases for reloading.
3/13/2008 8:03:15 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
This is a classic defense load and has a better one stop stop rate then 45 APC

Will someone please tell me where all these 45 Armored Personnel Carriers are coming from?  
3/15/2008 11:12:00 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I actually like the 158 gr. CCI aluminum cased Blazer in both my revolvers and my Marlin 1894C. It is very accurate, and loaded down slightly so recoil is pretty mild. Makes double action shooting much easier. It is fairly cheap and you don't have to worry about saving cases for reloading.


+1 on these blazer rounds. They have proven VERY accurate out of my Taurus Tracker. They do tend to swell and may not drop free from the cyl. Look around. I bought mine at $8.00 per box of 50. I'd hunt with these any day of the week.
3/15/2008 11:16:03 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
158gr. It is also easier on the gun then the 125gr.


why is this?  I would think the opposite.......but i'm not educated on the topic.
3/16/2008 5:02:46 PM EDT
[#17]
I cast my own bullets and since I have a 158gr mold and lots of gas checks my SHTF round will be a 158gr SWC around 1300fps.
3/16/2008 5:09:14 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
125 or 158gr Gold Dots. With emphasis on the latter if barriers are a concern.


+1 on the 158 grain Gold Dots
I am interested in trying out a nice recipe for SWC that vanilla_gorilla sent me.
3/16/2008 5:09:59 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Winchester 180 gr Partition Gold for the initial volley... followed up by whatever you can get in bulk.


180s?
I imagine those are some pretty stout loads.
3/16/2008 7:03:11 PM EDT
[#20]
Remington or Federal 125JHP, I like the nasty explosion when they hit.
3/16/2008 7:04:37 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
158gr. It is also easier on the gun then the 125gr.


why is this?  I would think the opposite.......but i'm not educated on the topic.


A great explanation of the issue from gunblast.com.
They said it better than I could.


Cylinders long enough to accommodate full charge 158 grain bullets provide a great deal of free space when shorter bullets are used.  The bearing surface length of the 125 grain bullet is shorter than the bearing surface of the 158 grain bullet. This difference means that as the 125 grain bullet leaves the case there is a gap between the leading edge of the bullet sealing surface and the cylinder throat. As the short bullet makes this jump, combustion gases and powder are permitted to blow past the bullet and prematurely escape into the barrel. The 158 grain bullet essentially seals off the cylinder as it leaves the case and enters the cylinder throat. More complete combustion of the powder is accomplished. Temperatures of the gas as it enters the barrel are lower and the combustion environment in the barrel is not oxygen rich as is the case for the prematurely escaping combustion gas.  

The problem with the gap of the shorter bullet is that it permits excessive hot burning gases to escape past the bullet into barrel throat. This superheats the surface of the barrel throat with the hot gas plasma. Still unburned powder blasts away at the barrel throat surfaces and the repeated impact of the high velocity bullets on the lower surface of the throat region result in erosion of the throat in this area. One might question why the impact and erosion is predominantly at the six o’clock position. Recoil. Longer bullets are guided by the cylinder throat and thus are not impacting the lower barrel throat as with shorter bullets. The shorter bullets have a longer “jump” from the case mouth to the barrel lands and thus pick up more velocity prior to engaging the rifling. This causes a greater impact force on the rifling contact area. Another detrimental effect is the flame cutting of the frame as these super hot gases escape from the cylinder-barrel gap. This problem would be present for short bullets in all models of firearms.


Here is a picture of some flame cutting, yanked from Xavier's blog.



This has always been more of an issue with the K frame magnums, like the Model 19 and the Model 66.
Those guns are a unique weapon with their own set of needs.
On an N Frame or an L Frame, you can pretty much feed it whatever you want, outside of goofy-hot handloads.
3/16/2008 7:20:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Flame cutting is not really the problem with K frames. If you will take a K frame and open the cylinder, you'll note then barrel is not completely round at the forcing cone. The bottom is cut flat. With less material there, the is an increased chance of damage. Specifically, cracking the [thinner] forcing cone from heavy loads.
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