Posted: 2/25/2010 5:23:30 PM EDT
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I think I want a S&W revolver in .38 or .357. I've noticed there are many different models in the K frame category
What are the primary differences between the models 10, 15, 19, 64, and 65? Anyhting in particular to recommend a certain model, or any model that stands above the others? I really like the model 65 .357 with the 3" barrel. How do these hold up? They look identical to the model 10HB, but the beefier model 19 is rumored to have problems with the forcing cone after lots of .357 shooting. Does the little 65 has the same (or worse) issues with .357? |
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I think I want a S&W revolver in .38 or .357. I've noticed there are many different models in the K frame category What are the primary differences between the models 10, 15, 19, 64, and 65? Anyhting in particular to recommend a certain model, or any model that stands above the others? I really like the model 65 .357 with the 3" barrel. How do these hold up? They look identical to the model 10HB, but the beefier model 19 is rumored to have problems with the forcing cone after lots of .357 shooting. Does the little 65 has the same (or worse) issues with .357? Not sure about the 19 or the 65, but the 64 was basically the stainless version of the blued model 10, both with fixed sights. I believe the 15 was basically a 10 with adjustable sights while the 67 was the stainless version of that one. They were all .38spc. Can't answer the durability question. |
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The basic model 10- Blued fixed sight .38spl.
Model 64-same as Model 10 but in Stainless Model 15_model 10 with adjustable sights Model 67- Model 15 in Stainless Model 13-Model 10 in .357 mag fixed sight Model 65- Stainless version of model 13 Model 19- Adjustable sight blue 357 mag. Has a Half underlug on Barrel protecting the ejector rod. Model 66- same as Model 19 but in stainless Model 68 (CHP issue) Model 66 in .38 spl only. Both the Model 65/13 and the Model 19/66 had the forcing cone issue with repeative firing of 125 grain full house magnum loads. |
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M10/M64/M15/M67 are all .38 special
M13/M65/M19/M66 are .357 magnum The K frame was designed and introduced roughly 30 years before the .357 magnum and it was about 20 years after the magnum was introduced that S&W got around to chambering the K frame for it. ALL of the K frame magnums will end up with cracked forcing cones(requires barrel replacement) if you run 125 grain or lighter bullet magnum loads through them. |
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Personally, the 19 is the best one on the list. Why is the 19 better than the 13/65? 19 has adjustable sights. If you plan to shoot different loads or different ranges you might want to have the option to dial in the sights to your point of impact. If you fancy stainless guns, get the model 66 |
| My first issued gun was a model 66 (stainless model 19) .357 magnum. It had thousands of rounds of full power ammunition through it, no forcing cone problems, or any other problems for that matter. If it is really a concern for you get an L frame, the grip is the same size as a K frame with a beefier crane, yoke, etc. to handle high pressure loads. |
. If you shoot magnums throught a K frame, stick to the heavier bullet weights.
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M10/M64/M15/M67 are all .38 special Not quite all Model 10 are .38 SPL, as Smith made a run in .357 for a State Highway Patrol (don't remember the state). CD They were stamped Mod 10, but they were actually M13's. The magnum frame is not the same as the standard frame. |
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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x36/gewehrmonkey/234e345a.jpg My favorite revolver of all time, my $200 3" Model 65. That is exactly what I want. Why are fixed notch sight 3" revolvers so rare? They are perfect. |
The one I bought for Dad back in the early '90s......
and my favorite form of the Model 10, the heavy barrel. It belongs to our next door neighbor and she refuses to sell it to me. Oh well, at least she lets me take it out to the range now and then. 
As long as you stick with 158gr .357 rounds in your K-frame there should be no problems. That is if you are not running a thousand rounds a year through it. We use .38s for most practice and just run enough .357 through them to keep from getting rusty. Now that Dad has reached 70 he prefers to use +P .38s instead of .357s anyway. |
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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x36/gewehrmonkey/234e345a.jpg My favorite revolver of all time, my $200 3" Model 65. That is exactly what I want. Why are fixed notch sight 3" revolvers so rare? They are perfect. Not rare, people just don't want to get rid of their's. Smith still catolages New M64, 3" HB, RB SKU: 162504 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=14757&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn= CD |
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That's a sweet little carry gun gunmonkey has there, My tastes run a little different, and I like the classic model 10-5. http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/FF1063/Model10-5.jpg Why does your 10-5 not have diamond grips? Bob |
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S&W K-Frames are my favorite wheelgun size. My first carry gun was a 3" M65 that Karl Sokol at Chestnut Mountain Sports built for me when I turned 21. I've had a lot of K-frames in the past, but right now, in centerfire calibers, I have:
M&P 1905 3rd Change 6" Target Model M&P 1905 2nd Change 6-1/2" M10 4" pencil barrel M10 4" heavy barrel M64 4" heavy barrel M64 3" heavy barrel M65 4" M13 3" Sokol Custom M66 2-1/2" Sokol Custom M66 F-Comp I think that's it. Here are a few pics of my current Sokol guns. Neither of them look this good anymore since I use them for carry: 
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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x36/gewehrmonkey/234e345a.jpg My favorite revolver of all time, my $200 3" Model 65. That is exactly what I want. Why are fixed notch sight 3" revolvers so rare? They are perfect. Allan Schisel at Allan's Armory had a lot of 3" M65's just a few weeks ago. His last one sold just yesterday. Mark Kitterman at Summit Gun Broker has some 3" M65's listed now on his site. |
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I really like my Model 10- http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz150/DKBJR/IMG_1170.jpg?t=1267208047 Hey, what grips are those? I'm looking to replace the current stocks on my blued M&P and would like to get new wood grips shaped like that. Jim |
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That's a sweet little carry gun gunmonkey has there, My tastes run a little different, and I like the classic model 10-5. http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/FF1063/Model10-5.jpg Why does your 10-5 not have diamond grips? Bob Because someone changed them out for stocks from a later gun. |
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IMHO the S&W 19 looks better than the M13 too. I'm looking hard for a 19-4 with a 4" barrel, but so far no luck. There's a gun show coming up in a couple weeks though. Why the -4 specifically? Really anything -4 and before would be fine. I wanted a 19 that still had the pinned barrel and recessed cylinder. Just bought a S&W 17 the other day so my money is spent right now. |
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IMHO the S&W 19 looks better than the M13 too. I'm looking hard for a 19-4 with a 4" barrel, but so far no luck. There's a gun show coming up in a couple weeks though. Why the -4 specifically? Really anything -4 and before would be fine. I wanted a 19 that still had the pinned barrel and recessed cylinder. Just bought a S&W 17 the other day so my money is spent right now. Good answer. As reasonable as any I've heard. |
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They are made by Ahrends Grips
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I really like my Model 10- http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz150/DKBJR/IMG_1170.jpg?t=1267208047 Hey, what grips are those? I'm looking to replace the current stocks on my blued M&P and would like to get new wood grips shaped like that. Jim |
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I really like my Model 10- http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz150/DKBJR/IMG_1170.jpg?t=1267208047 Hey, what grips are those? I'm looking to replace the current stocks on my blued M&P and would like to get new wood grips shaped like that. Jim Thanks ServiceGun..yep those are Ahrends...I like them alot. |
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That's a sweet little carry gun gunmonkey has there, My tastes run a little different, and I like the classic model 10-5. http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/FF1063/Model10-5.jpg Why does your 10-5 not have diamond grips? Bob Because someone changed them out for stocks from a later gun. Can you tell me what stock should be? |
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IMHO the S&W 19 looks better than the M13 too. I'm looking hard for a 19-4 with a 4" barrel, but so far no luck. There's a gun show coming up in a couple weeks though. Why the -4 specifically? Really anything -4 and before would be fine. I wanted a 19 that still had the pinned barrel and recessed cylinder. Just bought a S&W 17 the other day so my money is spent right now. Good answer. As reasonable as any I've heard. I love model 19s. This is my Model 19-3. The Deep S&W blueing & rose wood grips are beautiful, this picture doesn't do it justice but it's the best i can do. 
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