Posted: 9/26/2005 9:14:18 AM EDT
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I remember, but don't remember where, reading that there are three ways of being made. Show= someone accidently sees your gun (like your shirt coming up over your holster) Print= someone sees the print of your gun Tell= someone sees you adjusting your carry rig or unconsciously playing with your gun Anyone know where this comes from? TIA Seydou |
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99% of people are totally oblivious Of the remaining 1%, 99% of them will think it's a cell phone, blackberry or other PDA. of the remaining fraction of a percent are guys you probably don't have to worry about because they are cops or responsibly armed civillians too. If they're nice they'll quietly tell you that you're showing or printing. |
Agreed. Was just wondering if anyone else had heard this before, and if so, where? Seydou |
hahaha, funny story... i was gettin gas and went in to buy something and there were two gangsters buyin somethin when i walked in, i walked past them to the drink containers and then got behind them in line. the one you could tell was a poser but the other one looked hard, was too alert to be a guy trying to pose as a gangster. he's the only guy i KNOW of that KNEW i was carrying - im sure i printed a little while i was getting my drink, and he caught it. Im sure other people might have notced but hes the only one that ever let me know he noticed! |
And he obviously would have waited for an easier target if he was meaning to start shit. |
| I believe I catch far more people carrying than people who have caught me. I struck up a conversation with the guy ahead of me in line at the Home Depot a few weekends back. He had a NAA Guardian 380 in his back pocket that pushed open his jean pocket enought to see the gun. I noticed a flash of silver when he reached for his wallet - caught himself - then reached for his real wallet on the other side. I laughed out loud, and he looked a little nervous for a minute until I told him I had the same problem with mine. He smiled and we chatted on the way to the parking lot. |
I wonder why the ENORMOUS deal about 'concealed'. In my CCW class (Fla) the instructor stressed CONCEALED but never really got a good explanation for it (of course its .gov.....). The instructor is an LE and he said "I understand how you feel, but it's a requirement right now for CCW". Pretty cool guy, down to earth. Maybe it makes sheep nervous? |
I wonder, where is the line between concealed and not concealed? Like, at what point does printing become illegal? Let's face it-- most people might have a bit of an edge show when they are bending over or whatever, but it's not enough for the casual soccer mom to see the outline of a gun and scream so that everyone in Walmart hits the floor... Most people won't be able to tell an "edge" from any other fold in your clothing. What are your thoughts on this? |
Anyone know why, exactly, its illegal? What makes people think you're not an off duty LE  or something (I'm not LE, just making an observation)?
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Here in VA, open carry is permitted, and I think that's how folks get around the rule of not being able to CC in restaurants that serve alcohol. I saw a guy in a restaurant once in a suit who was carrying. He simply took off his jacket before he came in the door and nobody said a word to him. I love VA! I've always wondered what the boundary between legal and illegal was. It'll be interesting to see what comes up in this thread...I mean it's not like we can all wear jackets in the middle of summer, so is being 'made' ok, or does the law frown on it? Great thread. |
Is open carry illegal in your state? All I said was it's legal in my state (OR.). My CHL instructor never even talked about "printing, or whatever", he just breifly (when asked), commented that in his oppinion, "if you have a CHL you probably shouldn't open carry anymore, but you still can, just no reason too". I know, I used to read all the crap in gun mags about how it could be called "brandishing". Those mags are full of shit! |
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In GA it is legal to open carry, but almost nobody does it. LEOs I've asked about it said that it scares people which causes a public disturbance. You can be charged with that, although I don't know anybody who has. I presume it is not illegal to show or print in GA, but apparently you can be charged with the reaction of others. Don't scare the sheep. The sheeple don't seem to notice any way. I know I print all the time in the summer because I carry a 229 in a VM2 with just a thin t-shirt over it. Most people don't notice I'm certain, but I suspect that a few do. My wife tries to catch me to help me stop doing things that cause printing/showing, like reaching up to the top shelf at the grocery store w/ my right hand. Use the left hand instead. When I bend down to talk to my son, I put my right side against a shelf so that it is out of sight. A lot of the time she doesn't know I'm carrying until she puts her arm around me. I just can't see wearing a "shoot me first" vest. Now that the cooler weather is here, I'll wear two layers, and that should help. |
| It was funny yesterday as I was out shopping with my daughter (she is 8) and I had my Glock 21 in a shoulder rig unde a light jacket. My daughter hadn't caught me carying before but yesterday she noticed the bulge unde my coat when I was helping her little brother buckle up... I showed her the glock and she smiled and said "caught ya!" |
Now that's classic! Sheesh my kids just ask me to make sure I am carrying as we're leaving the house. |
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My kids are still very little and my worry is that they will ask me at an inopportune moment "Papi, is that your gun?". FWIW "show, print, tell" does not come from a legal definition so unless someone actually sees your gun, I don't think you are violating any law. Open carry restrictions suck. So do concealed carry restrictions. Seydou |
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I'm pretty sure that your chances of being made, if you are making ANY attempt to keep the gun concealed, are pretty low. As stated, 99% of people are completly oblivious, and the other 1% are people who carry as well, both good guys and bad guys. And unless you are in thier 'hood', a gangbanger won't start shit with someone they know is armed, hell they just want to make money and get laid too, not get shot. They will pick on the next guy. I've open carried a few times, though I am much more comfortable carrying concealed. Even when I don't bother to cover it up very hard, its amazing what a high-and-tight and wearing your dog tags will do. People are such idiots. |
Because most municipalities have statutes about "Causing un-do Public Alarm". An example...An elderly lady sees your rig,and hasa heart attack. You could be laiable because it's supposed to be concealed. I have heard of case where this law gets excercised in"Open Carry State" as well. Bad form to get "Found Out". CCW or not. Tack |
| I quit worrying about it years ago. The amount of cell phones, pda's, and MP3 players has certainly helped though, since there are many things that can cause bulges in shirts. I also worked part time in a police equipment store, and just wore a polo untucked most of the time. Even after telling a cop I had a gun on, he wasn't able to see it when I was just moving normally. Bending over is a different matter of course, as is reaching up when wearing an OWB holster. |
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Some states don't have open carry but do have CCW. And the mantra is "Concealed means concealed." Lets say you CCW at the local stop'n'rob and gangsta man decides he's gonna take the place down. If he sees you with your weapon, just who do you think he's going to be gunning for first? |
If i were in an open carry state, I'm pretty sure it would cause a slight disturbance. I am 21 and legal to carry concealed, but I look like i'm 16 haha. And then there are overweight people, or people who you KNOW are not an LEO. they might be hassled in open carry states by poeple who are ignorant of the law too. I would much rather keep my identity as a super spy secret. |
This is a very good point. Go after the biggest threat first, either an armed citizen or an off duty/plainclothes cop. But unless the bulge is so large it's obviously a gun, or if it's clearly visibly a gun under your shirt. As in the outline is clear. |