Posted: 8/7/2012 11:37:26 PM EDT
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I have an 229R that I was issued here in Afghanistan.
The trigger pull is awful. It goes forever, to the point that I have to adjust my grip to make it work. I have access to an authorized Sig gunsmith, here on my little slice of Hell. What could be the issue? What parts should I acquire to cover the bases, and facilitate the fix? Thanks! |
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DAK or double/single? Do NOT DRY FIRE IT EVEN WITH SNAP CAPS. I don't care what anyone tells you after this, my firing pin placement pin sheared even when using the best snap cap sold after several hundred dry fires to improve it's crappy DA pull.
I would try to deep clean it, and maybe try to clean up the components that touch, scrape, and rub. |
| Have you ever shot a Sig before? The DA pull should be about 10 lbs. I think its 10.10 or something. This could seem long and heavy if you are not used to shooting Sigs. If you do not have expirence with Sigs, I suggest finding somebody that can try it out to really see if there is an issue. |
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Have you ever shot a Sig before? The DA pull should be about 10 lbs. I think its 10.10 or something. This could seem long and heavy if you are not used to shooting Sigs. If you do not have expirence with Sigs, I suggest finding somebody that can try it out to really see if there is an issue. 
Yes, I've shot Sig before. I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds through the 226, 228 and 229 platforms. Thousands and Thousands AND thousands. I've shot them on the range, and also deployed in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. Multiple times. I am currently IN Afghanistan and when I arrived here, I was given a pistol (I carried my rifle from the states). The pistol was one of our standard P229R's. I grabbed it and then hopped on a C130 for and then an helo to get to my ultimate destination in Southern Afghanistan. There was no place or time to test fire. The trigger has issues. Of this there is no doubt. I know it from my experience, and the gentlemen here with me who also have similar experience have concluded the same. The trigger goes back WAY too far before the hammer falls. It's almost flush before the hammer is released. It's a problem. We have access to a Sig smith here on the FOB (lucky me). He says that before we proceed, I should get "trigger parts." He doesn't know which parts, and doesn't want to take it apart without having parts handy. Please refer to my original question. Thanks for the help. |
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Wow! First off, Thank you for your service... Now, to the problem.... (your "Sig gunsmith" must ride the short bus if he can't diagnose the issue by inspecting the gun.... That's not very comforting to know... But I digress.)
I am a Sig LEO armorer, and without looking at the gun and just going off of your limited description, it sounds like a sear/hammer issue or a bent trigger bar. To re-build the trigger back to factory specs, you should be able to contact Sig and order a new hammer, sear, trigger bar, trigger bar spring and hammer spring. A new hammer strut would be smart also. If the hammer strut is bent or seriously worn, it could cause a big chunk of your problem too. Once those parts are available to you, a detail strip, cleaning and reassembly with the new parts should not be more than 20 minutes of work, followed by a test fire. I am not sure if the fire control parts are available as a complete kit, or if they would have to be ordered individually from Sig. (I am tempted to think someone previously worked on the gun and mix matched parts from a DAK and DA/SA during reassembly...) Out of curiosity, are you a contractor now or still active Military? I ask because a Military armorer should DX the weapon and issue you a replacement until it can be fixed/rebuilt... And I'm not aware of any branch currently issuing the P229 as a standard handgun (outside possibly DHS/Fed. LE). I have a couple close friends who are working for DynaCorp over there now. God speed your safe return and don't forget to watch your front sight... -Tac |
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Wow! First off, Thank you for your service... Now, to the problem.... (your "Sig gunsmith" must ride the short bus if he can't diagnose the issue by inspecting the gun.... That's not very comforting to know... But I digress.) He's a former Ranger (well known with a great rep), and now a contract welder working on our little FOB. He might not be a genius, but he's what I've got. He doesn't want to even start taking apart my weapon without parts to fix it. I am a Sig LEO armorer, and without looking at the gun and just going off of your limited description, it sounds like a sear/hammer issue or a bent trigger bar. To re-build the trigger back to factory specs, you should be able to contact Sig and order a new hammer, sear, trigger bar, trigger bar spring and hammer spring. A new hammer strut would be smart also. If the hammer strut is bent or seriously worn, it could cause a big chunk of your problem too. Once those parts are available to you, a detail strip, cleaning and reassembly with the new parts should not be more than 20 minutes of work, followed by a test fire. I am not sure if the fire control parts are available as a complete kit, or if they would have to be ordered individually from Sig. (I am tempted to think someone previously worked on the gun and mix matched parts from a DAK and DA/SA during reassembly...) Out of curiosity, are you a contractor now or still active Military? I ask because a Military armorer should DX the weapon and issue you a replacement until it can be fixed/rebuilt... And I'm not aware of any branch currently issuing the P229 as a standard handgun DoD, Navy and others, etc (outside possibly DHS/Fed. LE). I have a couple close friends who are working for DynaCorp over there now. God speed your safe return and don't forget to watch your front sight...
-Tac I am a civilian government employee. 
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I have an 229R that I was issued here in Afghanistan. The trigger pull is awful. It goes forever, to the point that I have to adjust my grip to make it work. I have access to an authorized Sig gunsmith, here on my little slice of Hell. What could be the issue? What parts should I acquire to cover the bases, and facilitate the fix? Thanks! Sounds like you have large hands, and SIG has "Short reach" trigger. Lately SIG it putting this type of trigger on many new guns. It should benefit folks with small hands, but if you have large hands - you will hate it. The solution would be to install "Standard" AKA "Long" trigger. That would be only part required to replace. |
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Have you ever shot a Sig before? The DA pull should be about 10 lbs. I think its 10.10 or something. This could seem long and heavy if you are not used to shooting Sigs. If you do not have expirence with Sigs, I suggest finding somebody that can try it out to really see if there is an issue.
Yes, I've shot Sig before. I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds through the 226, 228 and 229 platforms. Thousands and Thousands AND thousands. I've shot them on the range, and also deployed in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. Multiple times. I am currently IN Afghanistan and when I arrived here, I was given a pistol (I carried my rifle from the states). The pistol was one of our standard P229R's. I grabbed it and then hopped on a C130 for and then an helo to get to my ultimate destination in Southern Afghanistan. There was no place or time to test fire. The trigger has issues. Of this there is no doubt. I know it from my experience, and the gentlemen here with me who also have similar experience have concluded the same. The trigger goes back WAY too far before the hammer falls. It's almost flush before the hammer is released. It's a problem. We have access to a Sig smith here on the FOB (lucky me). He says that before we proceed, I should get "trigger parts." He doesn't know which parts, and doesn't want to take it apart without having parts handy. Please refer to my original question. Thanks for the help. Sorry, I was not meaning to be an ass if I came across that way. I have seen several new Sig shooters complain about the DA trigger pull. Hope you get it fixed and good luck. |
| I would get a can of compressed air and blow the hell out of the internals of the pistol, then lube with CLP on the heavy side, then blow the excess off and wipe the exterior dry. In the mean time after that, dry fire it with the lube. Sounds like you have a Afghan dirty pistol. |
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I have an 229R that I was issued here in Afghanistan. The trigger pull is awful. It goes forever, to the point that I have to adjust my grip to make it work. I have access to an authorized Sig gunsmith, here on my little slice of Hell. What could be the issue? What parts should I acquire to cover the bases, and facilitate the fix? Thanks! Sounds like you have large hands, and SIG has "Short reach" trigger. Lately SIG it putting this type of trigger on many new guns. It should benefit folks with small hands, but if you have large hands - you will hate it. The solution would be to install "Standard" AKA "Long" trigger. That would be only part required to replace. This is likely your issue. I was issued a sig with this trigger and it felt as described. You can look at it compared to a normal sig and it looks thin. |
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Send it back to the armory and get a replacement. How did you deploy with your rifle...and not your pistol? Some of "us" often pick up our weapons in theater. However, the rifles they issue in theater are just standard, non-zero'd M4s with iron sights. The rifles that my guys train with and deploy with are kept in the rear and come with all the optics and extras that we need for the mission. We have Pistols in the rear, too, but they are older models without the rail, and are not compatable with our holsters. The rifles are YOUR rifle in your rack. The pistols are shared. So, bring your personal rifle with you, pick up the pistol forward. Ironically, I didn't want to bring a crappy old pistol. Most of the FOB bound folks just pick up all their gear in theater; weapons, body armor, etc. They aren't particular. I bring my "special" weapon, helmet and plate carriers. Different mission. The pistol works, it's just got a crappy trigger. I can't send it back to CONUS. I need to adjust/fix the trigger. I don't have a massive, full service armory here supporting me. There's one up north with limited capability, but I don't have time for that. |
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I would get a can of compressed air and blow the hell out of the internals of the pistol, then lube with CLP on the heavy side, then blow the excess off and wipe the exterior dry. In the mean time after that, dry fire it with the lube. Sounds like you have a Afghan dirty pistol. No. It's clean. It just has a crappy trigger. |
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I have an 229R that I was issued here in Afghanistan. The trigger pull is awful. It goes forever, to the point that I have to adjust my grip to make it work. I have access to an authorized Sig gunsmith, here on my little slice of Hell. What could be the issue? What parts should I acquire to cover the bases, and facilitate the fix? Thanks! Sounds like you have large hands, and SIG has "Short reach" trigger. Lately SIG it putting this type of trigger on many new guns. It should benefit folks with small hands, but if you have large hands - you will hate it. The solution would be to install "Standard" AKA "Long" trigger. That would be only part required to replace. This is likely your issue. I was issued a sig with this trigger and it felt as described. You can look at it compared to a normal sig and it looks thin. By golly, I think you're correct... http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_4/81901_SIG_short_Vs_long_trigger__can_someone_post_pics_.html |