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9/15/2008 4:24:14 AM EDT
Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on the Sig P250? I've been looking at it a little bit and like most of what I've seen, but I've heard of some FTE/FTF problems and that the trigger is a little weird (length of pull).
Can anyone offer their thoughts on the gun?
9/15/2008 7:49:48 AM EDT
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found this on a search - I have no idea as the veracity of the information.


Sig Sauer P250 report
In case anyone is interested in the durability of the Sig P250 in 9mm.

Over the past two weeks, all 3 of our Sig P250s went down. In all 3 guns, the short arm of the trigger bar spring broke where it makes a sharp bend. The guns have been in service since mid December.

Sig guessed that our guns might have the highest round counts of any P250s out there (somewhere between 20,000 and 40,000 rounds each, depending on the specific gun), and have asked for their return.

I spoke to a Sig engineering guy who told me that they are aware that this spring is a weak point, and that they have tried two different solutions: a beefier spring, and a different trigger bar; neither has been adopted as yet.


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9/15/2008 12:19:56 PM EDT
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The trigger is a relatively long DAO, very similar to that of the Kahr.  However, unlike the Kahr, the 250 pull is very smooth and consistent--no stacking.  You won't mistake the 250 for a target gun, but I don't see the 250 as a target gun.

It might be the easiest semi-auto to clean.  It has 40 parts total, and five of those are the mag.  The stainless frame isn't permanently attached to the polymer grip module/housing, and it's a snap to remove.  I can change grip modules in less than a minute without trying hard.  You probably already know this, but the frame is the serial-numbered part, and grip modules are unserialized.

The sights are great--factory tritium, three-dot configuration.  Very easy to acquire.

Ergonomics are perfect for my hand.  I have a large palm but somewhat short fingers.  Using the small grip module, I can thumb the mag release and hit the slide release without shifting my grip on the gun.  And speaking of the slide release, it's one of the easiest I've used--as light as the one on the wife's Buckmark.  

Very shootable gun.  A little bit of muzzle flip, but by no means uncontrollable.

Only thing I don't like about the gun is that I think the slide is a tad wide for the caliber, 9mm.  However, I think SIG did that on purpose to accommodate .40 and .45 calibers for which conversions will be available.
9/15/2008 12:44:06 PM EDT
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The trigger is a relatively long DAO, very similar to that of the Kahr.  However, unlike the Kahr, the 250 pull is very smooth and consistent--no stacking.  You won't mistake the 250 for a target gun, but I don't see the 250 as a target gun.

It might be the easiest semi-auto to clean.  It has 40 parts total, and five of those are the mag.  The stainless frame isn't permanently attached to the polymer grip module/housing, and it's a snap to remove.  I can change grip modules in less than a minute without trying hard.  You probably already know this, but the frame is the serial-numbered part, and grip modules are unserialized.

The sights are great--factory tritium, three-dot configuration.  Very easy to acquire.

Ergonomics are perfect for my hand.  I have a large palm but somewhat short fingers.  Using the small grip module, I can thumb the mag release and hit the slide release without shifting my grip on the gun.  And speaking of the slide release, it's one of the easiest I've used--as light as the one on the wife's Buckmark.  

Very shootable gun.  A little bit of muzzle flip, but by no means uncontrollable.

Only thing I don't like about the gun is that I think the slide is a tad wide for the caliber, 9mm.  However, I think SIG did that on purpose to accommodate .40 and .45 calibers for which conversions will be available.


With the trigger pull being as long as it is, would it effect the ability to perform a double-tap or slow down the shooter in any way if a rapid fire situation was called for?
Also, (please be gentle, I'm an amateur, I'll admit it) what do you mean by it's not really a target gun?
9/15/2008 1:57:38 PM EDT
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With the trigger pull being as long as it is, would it effect the ability to perform a double-tap or slow down the shooter in any way if a rapid fire situation was called for?
Also, (please be gentle, I'm an amateur, I'll admit it) what do you mean by it's not really a target gun?


Might the trigger pull slow down a double tap?  Compared to a crisp 1911 trigger, I'd say probably. Would it slow down a follow up shot enough to make a difference in a serious social situation?  Probably not.  I don't consider a Glock trigger suitable for target work, either, but for their intented role I think they're just fine.

What I meant by the comment that no one would mistake it for a target gun is that one would never find such a long trigger on a gun designed for precise target shooting.  One can learn to control the trigger and make for decent accuracy, but for a gun where an inadvertent shot might mean only a bad score, a light trigger is no liability.  The flip side of that is that having a crisp, 2lb target trigger on a gun that might be used in serious social situations could be a significant liability when the heart is pounding and the adrenaline flowing.  In that kind of situation, a heavier or longer trigger could be a good thing.
9/15/2008 3:35:42 PM EDT
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With the trigger pull being as long as it is, would it effect the ability to perform a double-tap or slow down the shooter in any way if a rapid fire situation was called for?
Also, (please be gentle, I'm an amateur, I'll admit it) what do you mean by it's not really a target gun?


Might the trigger pull slow down a double tap?  Compared to a crisp 1911 trigger, I'd say probably. Would it slow down a follow up shot enough to make a difference in a serious social situation?  Probably not.  I don't consider a Glock trigger suitable for target work, either, but for their intented role I think they're just fine.

What I meant by the comment that no one would mistake it for a target gun is that one would never find such a long trigger on a gun designed for precise target shooting.  Oen can learn to control the trigger and make for decent accuracy, but for a gun where an inadvertent shot might mean only a bad score, a light trigger is no liability.  The flip side of that is that having a crisp, 2lb target trigger on a gun that might be used in serious social situations could be a significant liability when the heart is pounding and the adrenaline flowing.  In that kind of situation, a heavier or longer trigger could be a good thing.

Thanks, so would you say this would be a decent home/travel defense weapon? I've actually got a shotgun for home defense but would like another option. I've found a pretty good deal on this gun and just wanted to see if anyone thought this was a worthy handgun.
9/16/2008 6:13:30 AM EDT
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Thanks, so would you say this would be a decent home/travel defense weapon? I've actually got a shotgun for home defense but would like another option. I've found a pretty good deal on this gun and just wanted to see if anyone thought this was a worthy handgun.


Yes, I think that at the very least it's a decent defense weapon.  The design and execution are brilliant (IMHO), it's a good shooter, it has no unnecessary bells and whistles, and it fits my hand like a glove.  Tough to beat that.
9/16/2008 6:24:45 AM EDT
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Thanks, so would you say this would be a decent home/travel defense weapon? I've actually got a shotgun for home defense but would like another option. I've found a pretty good deal on this gun and just wanted to see if anyone thought this was a worthy handgun.


Yes, I think that at the very least it's a decent defense weapon.  The design and execution are brilliant (IMHO), it's a good shooter, it has no unnecessary bells and whistles, and it fits my hand like a glove.  Tough to beat that.


Thanks again.
9/16/2008 1:22:08 PM EDT
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I really, really want to like my P250. It's smaller than my Walther P99 and the small grip fits me very nicely. Plenty accurate and the trigger is like a very good revolver trigger.

That said, my tale of woe is here; www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=14&t=61159

BSW
10/4/2008 6:50:03 PM EDT
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Thanks, so would you say this would be a decent home/travel defense weapon? I've actually got a shotgun for home defense but would like another option. I've found a pretty good deal on this gun and just wanted to see if anyone thought this was a worthy handgun.


Yes, I think that at the very least it's a decent defense weapon.  The design and execution are brilliant (IMHO), it's a good shooter, it has no unnecessary bells and whistles, and it fits my hand like a glove.  Tough to beat that.


Same opinion here.  Many people have commented upon the simplicity, safety, and comfort of the P250's design.  The sticking point is usually the DAO, which takes getting used to.  

One of the things I really like is the P250 is not going to fire unless you fully engage the trigger.  With a round in the chamber you can drop it, throw it, or kick it, and it will not fire until you pull the trigger.  
10/5/2008 8:24:08 PM EDT
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Thanks, so would you say this would be a decent home/travel defense weapon? I've actually got a shotgun for home defense but would like another option. I've found a pretty good deal on this gun and just wanted to see if anyone thought this was a worthy handgun.


Yes, I think that at the very least it's a decent defense weapon.  The design and execution are brilliant (IMHO), it's a good shooter, it has no unnecessary bells and whistles, and it fits my hand like a glove.  Tough to beat that.


Same opinion here.  Many people have commented upon the simplicity, safety, and comfort of the P250's design.  The sticking point is usually the DAO, which takes getting used to.  

One of the things I really like is the P250 is not going to fire unless you fully engage the trigger.  With a round in the chamber you can drop it, throw it, or kick it, and it will not fire until you pull the trigger.  



+ I like mine.            
10/6/2008 8:49:28 AM EDT
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I'm sticking with my all metal, torture test and combat proven Sigs.
I have Glocks for my reliable plastic guns. That being said, the 250 is cheap and the intechangable thing sounds fun, but I only buy firearms I feel I can really count on.

Here is a video on the long trigger reset for the original poster-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKl0GhiyQ3Y
10/6/2008 12:40:53 PM EDT
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I'm sticking with my all metal, torture test and combat proved Sigs.
I have Glocks for my reliable plastic guns. That being said, the 250 is cheap and the intechangable thing sounds fun, but I only buy firearms I feel I can really count on.

Here is a video on the long trigger reset for the original poster-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKl0GhiyQ3Y



I have a Sig,

P220
P229
P6
P230
GSR
And a P250 a (cheap piece of garbage) that has ran almost 500 rounds with no problem.

Haven't had it very long. Time will tell. I can't say anything bad about it performance yet.

When my P250 fucks up I will be sure to let you know.                

The trigger reset is long on all my S&W revolvers too.        

Edit to add GSR.