Posted: 9/8/2012 6:24:46 PM EDT
| Why are people so obsessed with the frame rails on Sig Pistols? People don't fuss over the frame rails/inserts on other guns, I have never had anyone suggest I buy a 5 gallon bucket of grease for the rails on any of my autopistols. Is there something special about the Sig ? I'd like to try a Sig (its about the only one I've missed) but if they have issues with frame material I would just as soon pass. |
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No they do not need grease.
That came from GreyGuns and was his preference. People claim it's due to the steel slide and aluminum frame. I've used nothing but CLP on my 226 and nothing but TW25b on my 229, absolutely NO difference in wear or function. My brother uses RemOil on both his 226 and 229, no issues. Sigs have run for years and years on regular gun oil. Now folks will tell you that Frog Lube is what you need. But CLP will work just fine and you'll never have a problem. ETA: my buddies 226 has only ever had RemOil on as well (or simple gun oil) and been GTG. |
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No they do not need grease. That came from GreyGuns and was his preference. People claim it's due to the steel slide and aluminum frame. I've used nothing but CLP on my 226 and nothing but TW25b on my 229, absolutely NO difference in wear or function. My brother uses RemOil on both his 226 and 229, no issues. Sigs have run for years and years on regular gun oil. Now folks will tell you that Frog Lube is what you need. But CLP will work just fine and you'll never have a problem. ETA: my buddies 226 has only ever had RemOil on as well (or simple gun oil) and been GTG. Agreed. Always used whatever gun oil was handy on an early P220, 228, 229, with no adverse effects. Really didn't do anything differently with the SIG's than what I did for lubing my 1911's. |
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I use grease, and always have... not because someone told me to, because its common sense when steel meets alloy
I do the same thing with my 1911's Not sure why its a problem for you, I guess putting a little grease on the rail is too much work to protect a $800-1000 pistol... |
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I have only two SIGs but I do shoot them frequently.
My P220 Carry Equinox is carried daily and has 8550 rounds of 230 grain FMJ, RA45B, and P45 HST2 through it without a single stoppage of any kind and looks damn near new from the outside. There is absolutely no wear on the aluminum frame, just a few shiny areas but they are still dark black. My P220 Super Match has 2030 rounds of 230 grain FMJ through it, also without a single stoppage of any kind. There is a tiny spot of what appears might be some wear on the left side top frame rail but it is almost insignificant. The P220 Carry has an Exteter Frame and the Super Match has a German frame and barrel. iMO; there is no noticeable difference in quality between the two pistols and both are extremely accurate as well as perfectly reliable right out of the box. I grease my rails with TW-25B in the manner recommended in the sticky at the top of this website's SIG forum and the results have been exemplary. I have no problem with using the method on my carry gun despite the Florida heat. |
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Sigs are very well made guns. I'm not a Sig fanboy by any means and refuse to buy one for what they charge new. That said, every one I own feels extremely solid, has good ergos, and is a great shooter. The same can be said for most German gun makers (HK for example); they're high quality but you get what you pay for in a way.
That said, nowadays there are a ton of well made reliable guns priced for less. It really is up to what you're looking for and willing to spend. |
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Why are people so obsessed with the frame rails on Sig Pistols? People don't fuss over the frame rails/inserts on other guns, I have never had anyone suggest I buy a 5 gallon bucket of grease for the rails on any of my autopistols. Is there something special about the Sig ? I'd like to try a Sig (its about the only one I've missed) but if they have issues with frame material I would just as soon pass. 
I have three Sigs, with 4200, 2000, and 900 rounds through them respectfully. I've only ever used the grease that comes with the gun and haven't used it all yet. Sounds like you're just looking for a reason to complain about something you have no experience with. 
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| Sigs are happy no matter what you put on em from what I have seen. I only oil my P226 with hopes gun oil when I clean. I do not re-oil to shoot it so it is usually run dry, and has never had an issue. It has no bad wear on the frame rails either. My uncle does the same thing with his P220 match, which is the tightest slide-to-frame of any sig I have seen. I must be doing it wrong because everybody (apparently experts...) say 1911s have to be run wet to work also, and I always run em dry with 0 failures and no change in tightness after 6k-7k rds in both of em. |
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I think the whole "grease the rails" thing came about because some OCD sigforum.com member was wigging out that shooting a gun actually puts wear on it. Isn't that the same bunch who wrings their hands about the "half moon marks" on the barrel hood?
My take: keep a nominal amount of lube on the gun, shoot it, and don't worry too much about any wear and tear short of a visible crack. |
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Bruce Gray made that recommendation from his experience. Everyone responding here is saying they have 1000, 3000, etc through your Sigs. The P226 Bruce was shooting at the first class I attended with him about 6 years ago had over 60,000 through it, and it was still his duty weapon. How many Sigs do you think he wore out over all the years of high volume competition using Sig pistols until he found a lube that worked that well for him?
For 99% of the shooters out there, any good lube will work. But if grease works as well as it does for the volume of shooting Bruce does, it will protect an average shooter's Sig even better. Or, the better solution, be like me. Don't shoot Sigs. |
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Bruce Gray made that recommendation from his experience. Everyone responding here is saying they have 1000, 3000, etc through your Sigs. The P226 Bruce was shooting at the first class I attended with him about 6 years ago had over 60,000 through it, and it was still his duty weapon. How many Sigs do you think he wore out over all the years of high volume competition using Sig pistols until he found a lube that worked that well for him? For 99% of the shooters out there, any good lube will work. But if grease works as well as it does for the volume of shooting Bruce does, it will protect an average shooter's Sig even better. Or, the better solution, be like me. Don't shoot Sigs. I see you point. In my experience, while not 60,000 round, I've seen absolutely no difference in wear patterns on my 2 Sigs lubed with each exclusively. None, whatsoever, exact same. If someone is shooting, cleaning and lubing with whatever they choose I really can't see there being any difference no matter the round count over the life of the gun. Now grease will stay put longer for longer duration shooting where oil will need to be reapplied but that goes for any weapon, not just a Sig. It all boils down to this, pick something and use it. |
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I use grease on all my sigs for the simple reason i have it laying around, and if it helps somewhat on wear then im ok with that.
The rest of my pistols get grease or clp whatever is closer at the moment. As for the grease i have used anything from shortening* to regular automotive grease to the fancy gun greases ( which i think are just auto greases re branded and sold for more) *yes it was on a whim and i didnt want to run the pistol dry out camping and i needed something, it sure did smell good when it got hot 
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Thanks guys, I will probably pick up a P226 they appear to be something I think I would like.  5,000 plus rounds through mine and I love it almost as much as my 229, only because my 229 is only a few months old and has 1000+ rounds through it 
You'll enjoy it for sure. If you do a search on the internet for Sig P226 you may come across a P226 with 100,000 rounds or something crazy through it 
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I'm currently watching Bruce Gray's video on Sig P-Series pistols and yes, he is a big fan of greasing the rails, mainly based on the wear of thousands of guns that have been sent in for repair after running dry vs those he's shot over the years that were greased heavily. Note that he does advocate the use of oils for a service pistol that will be carried and only be expected to shoot a mag or two, because it attracts less debris ("felon fluff") as it spends the day being open carried on leos hips. So I'm sure oil alone will be fine for most average shooters who will likely never run more than 10k rounds through a single gun, but I don't see the problem using grease on range days at least to ensure it will go 60k or more.
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don't tell my sig p226, he has no clue he needs all that lube. He enjoys plain old rem oil, sprayed to clean it, then wiped off with just a light film remaining. He deserves better than Rem Oil; pick up a small squeeze bottle of Breakfree LP; it'll last you for many years and it's a far better product than Rem Oil. LP is more viscous than CLP because it contains no cleaner or solvent, it's cheap enough too. |
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don't tell my sig p226, he has no clue he needs all that lube. He enjoys plain old rem oil, sprayed to clean it, then wiped off with just a light film remaining. He deserves better than Rem Oil; pick up a small squeeze bottle of Breakfree LP; it'll last you for many years and it's a far better product than Rem Oil. LP is more viscous than CLP because it contains no cleaner or solvent, it's cheap enough too. I'll second that. I have a bottle of Break Free LP that I had sitting around for years and never used it. I didn't realize what I was missing by not using it. |
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I would never ever use as much grease like on the pics here on the sig forum.
I dont think theres anything wrong with using lets say. Mil-Com TW 25B rub it in til it shines! But dont use a shit load of grease. Ive been using oil on my sig. and not that much. and havent had any problems. 500rds the first day. If you go to the sig website it has a video of a man using oil to lube and not that much.
As far as rail problems I havent had any problems . except a rock solid slide to frame fit.
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