Posted: 4/10/2007 2:13:35 PM EDT
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Is the trigger on the Sigma series 40 cal's supposed to be heavy long and shitty? My buddy just bought one for 200 bucks and when I tried the trigger I was appalled... |
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Sigma... the only gun I ever owned I really regretted every day after I bought it... My fraime split length wise starting at the muzzle end with a Sigma 40F. It was a brand new gun and I fired no more the 200-rounds through the gun. S&W replaced it, no problems there, but I traded it on a new Glock as soon as the new one arived back from the factory. I lost several hundred dollars on the lesson, but not a problem sence with my Glocks  |
I fired one of those before. Bleh, wouldn't want to own one.  Your buddy needs to unload that thing quick and get a Glock, XD, etc. |
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If you can shoot a DA revolver well, you can shoot a Sigma. The splitting of the frame was solved when they added the equipment rail, and S&W replaces any cracked frame they get now with a new Sigma, too. Sigmas aren't my favorite gun out there, but they aren't my least favorite, either. I had a Walther P99 that I traded away because I felt the Sigma was a better gun, trigger wise and ergonomically. Reliability wise, I've never had a malfunction in any Enhanced Sigma (anything with an equipment rail) in tens of thousands of rounds. I did have one FTE, one time, with factory ammo, in a 1st Gen SW40F that I was issued. I had over 8000 rounds through that particular Sigma at the time, and they were mostly my own cast bullet reloads. The only thing a Sigma has over a Glock is ergonomics. They got the grip right on it. If you reload, the Sigma is a better gun, too, with cut rifling and adequate chamber support. But, if I had to choose between the two, the two Sigmas I still own would go before either of my G17's, G19 or G21. LOOOOOOOOOONG, heavy DA trigger? A non-DAK DAO Sig has the Sigma beat in that catagory, along with a DAO Beretta! Everybody shits on Sigmas, but they recently had to add another production line at the factory just to keep up with the orders. So, maybe it's like a moped or a fat girl? Fun until your friends see you with it? 
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I would agree that the Sigma was "junk" if I ever had them malfunction on me. I do agree that their trigger sucks, but if S&W fixed that, and put on a standard equipment rail, I really can't think of anything a Glock has over a Sigma. Yes, the early Sigmas had a lot of problems, and that reputation followed them into their 3rd Gens. Unfortunately, you can't blame the engineers at S&W for the early S&W quality, or the rail for that matter. Upper management, who knew absolutely nothing about guns, forced it into production before it was ready. At least they didn't make that same mistake with the M&P. And, with the LE cost of the M&P (around $430), the ergonomics, reliability, standard equipment rail and smooth, crisp trigger, I think they have a winner now. Since the M&P is priced reasonably and is hopefully going to be a success, I don't see the Sigma going through any refinements. It's selling more than enough the way it is. S&W added their 4th Sigma production line even before the Afghani contract came up, and the demand for them was so high that some distributors couldn't even get any. The Sigma is still going to sell well due to the cost. People who don't have much money to spend (a situation most of us have been in before) and just a basic, reliable auto, the Sigma fits the need. I will guarantee one thing. Once you master the Sigma's trigger, it will make you a better shot with any other handgun you pick up. It sure teaches you trigger control! I was pissed when I was issued a Sigma, with no option of carrying my own duty weapon, when I first joined the PD. The day it was issued to me, I took it to the range with 500 rounds of my cast bullet reloads and put them all through it without any malfunctions. From everything I read on the boards, I expected it to malfunction every other shot, the slide crack in half, or something else to happen. Funny, when you ask 90% of the people who post about how much of a piece of crap the Sigma is only read and heard things about them. Very few of them have ever owned a Sigma, or maybe fired a shot or two at the range with one. Is the Sigma my first choice? Hell now. Is it the piece of crap everyone says it is? No, not the currently produced "Enhanced" Series with the equipment rail. |
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Do you have a link to the Wolfe product...I have not found it yet. Thinking about getting a 9mm version before the rebate or mag deal ends. thanks
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what rebate and mag deal? |
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Smith and Wesson is offering a $30 rebate OR 2 free full capacity mags if you buy a Sigma before May 15, 2007. It is on their homepage at www.smith-wesson.com. I would go for the mags, as even at DEALER COST, mags are about $20-25 each. Much better deal. They will send you 16- or 10- round mags as you request. I am considering this deal too. Despite the fact that this is no Glock or M&P or XD... for the price, you cannot really beat the deal. You can have 2 Sigmas for the full price of one Glock. (Give or take a few bucks).  |
I'm down to one 9mm and one .40 Sigma. I traded two Sigmas for one Glock before. I'd go with the XD (but we can't get them here in MA) or the M&P (you need the 10lb trigger connector and only 10 round mags). So, since neither of these really worked out for me, I went with a Glock, since I can get all the pre-ban mags I need cheap for them. If I lived in a free state, I'd trade my G21 for an M&P45, my G19 for an M&P9 compact, and both of my G17's for two full size M&P's, one in 9mm and one in .40. But, since I'm stuck here in MA for the moment, I'll stick to Glocks. |
 I am guessing you didn't read the thread... Oh well, we will hear the complaints after you get it |
Other than the 10lb trigger pull, they are good guns. But, if you can shoot a DA revolver, you can shoot a Sigma. As long as the Sigma has an equipment rail, it has all the improvements. Nothing wrong with them, as long as you can get past the trigger. A lot of people add the NY2 triggers to their Glocks to get a 10lb trigger pull, same as the Sigma. For some reason, it's good on a Glock and it's bad on a Sigma? I always get confused when people mention that. |
There's nothing you can do that will not possibly effect reliability. Wolf makes a reduced power striker spring, but you have a 50/50 chance of getting light primer strikes. A Sigma is what it is. When you try to make it into something it's not, reliability probably will suffer. |
| I can't speak for the older guns, but the new ones are a deal. Yes the triggers are long and stiff, but they do get better with use and are no worse than a lot of revolvers these days. There are some tips on smoothing the triggers while maintaining reliability over at the S&W Forums. My 9MM eats anything and is one of the most ergonomic pistols I own. It's accurate, relatively light and slender and holds 16 plus 1 rounds of your favorite load. It's one of my favorite carry pistols. The only thing I have done is black out the rear sight dots and shoot it a lot. Not bad for under $300. So no, they are not junk despite the opinions of some here. Spending a lot of money doesn't automatically mean you'll have a flawless gun. I had a Colt Combat Commander that gave me fits and there are some horror stories about really high-end .45's over at the 1911 forums. |
| I can't speak for the older guns, but the new ones are a deal. Yes the triggers are long and stiff, but they do get better with use and are no worse than a lot of revolvers these days. There are some tips on smoothing the triggers while maintaining reliability over at the S&W Forums. My 9MM eats anything and is one of the most ergonomic pistols I own. It's accurate, relatively light and slender and holds 16 plus 1 rounds of your favorite load. It's one of my favorite carry pistols. The only thing I have done is black out the rear sight dots and shoot it a lot. Not bad for under $300. So no, they are not junk despite the opinions of some here. Spending a lot of money doesn't automatically mean you'll have a flawless gun. I had a Colt Combat Commander that gave me fits and there are some horror stories about really high-end .45's over at the 1911 forums. |
Nope it's bad. For both. I know of no one who uses an NY2 trigger that isn't forced to by department policy. In fact, the only people I know who use an NY1 trigger use it with a 3.5# connector, which brings the pull back down to factory levels. |
I bought a SW9V. It was the second pistol I'd ever owned. In my experience, yes it really is that bad. I let others shoot it after I was unable to sight it in. The rear sight was nearly drifted out of the slide...the pistol finally shot "on paper". As long as I aimed 6" off target to the right, I'd get hits in the black. I sold the SOB a couple months later. Now supposedly S&W has remedied all the old Sigma problems. Which is too bad cause I'm sure their mags are cheaper than those I need to feed my HK. |
I'm certainly not saying that a 10lb trigger pull is good at all. All of my Glocks have the stock 5.5# setup. |