Posted: 2/17/2013 4:11:15 PM EDT
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I just got my M&P40 a couple weeks ago and haven't had a chance to shoot yet but it Bette shoot as well as my G21 and my G21 shoots extremely well. I'm a little worried because the trigger feels like it's full of kitty litter  . There will definitely be some work on that trigger, S&W should be ashamed of putting a trigger that bad in one of their guns.
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I just got my M&P40 a couple weeks ago and haven't had a chance to shoot yet but it Bette shoot as well as my G21 and my G21 shoots extremely well. I'm a little worried because the trigger feels like it's full of kitty litter . There will definitely be some work on that trigger, S&W should be ashamed of putting a trigger that bad in one of their guns.The trigger is really bad stock. The Apex trigger is perfect though. |
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My full size 9MM shoots as good as the XDms or the Glock and feels so much better in my hand. When I got it the thing literally had a two finger trigger (trigger finger of the right hand on the trigger, trigger finger of the left hand on top of the right trigger finger. Sometimes I thought the safety must be on and I'd flick it on/then off, to convince myself it wasn't on safe. I put a few magazines through it first day on the range and the next day while cleaning it it completely stopped firing unless I pulled the trigger to the right rear.
An APEX kit fixed that. The trigger is lighter, but still has some creep in it. Fortunately, slack and creep is something your finger "learns" and compensates for. I recently bought a full sized .40 S&W. The trigger is awesome compared to the factory 9MM trigger. The factory trigger is not as light as the APEX trigger in the 9MM but there is absolutely no creep to the trigger and the reset feel is awesome (there is no reset felt with the APEX kit in the 9MM). I will leave the stock trigger in the .40 S&W. So far I've only shot one magazine of Federal 180 grain FMJ through the .40 S&W. I need to get out to the shed and do some reloading (it is my first .40 S&W but be have the reloading stuff for it because my son has a Beretta 90-Two in .40 S&W.) My intent is (the barrel is already on order) to put a .357 SIG barrel in it and see how it does. If I want a big slow bullet I'll carry the 1911 - and get better accuracy than any of the plastic guns I've bought so far. I'll admit, at first it was hard for me to accept the plastic guns accuracy levels vs. what I was used to after so many years of carrying/shooting 1911s (glock first, then XDMs and now the M&P) but I'm getting over it. I don't even know if you sink enough money into a plastic gun to get the accuracy levels I was used to with my 1911's and don't plan on trying. I'm just accepting them and beginning to carry them. Not trying to start anything here, but accuracy level of the M&P was part of the OP and I'm just adding some background for my response and my wandering from Glock, to XDm to M&P. The M&Ps seem to be here to stay. I will eventuall get rid of the Glock and one of the XDMs (I'll keep the 3.8" 9MM as everyone in the family that shoots it prefers it to the Glock or the 5.25" XDM) |
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My apex equipped M&P 9 with 10-8 sights does real well. http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af339/Bigbadjon82/Snapbucket/8FD6B4D9.jpg 25' freehand 2 mags. First two mags of the day. It will do this all day long. EDIT: this was with S&B 115 grain At 25 feet that is adequate and in line with any decently made service auto and decent shooter. Good not fantastic or anything. ETA, I'm not trying to undercut the poster here, but just pointing out that a little of people who have not received formal pistol training don't really know what good shooting looks like. |
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The accuracy issue was back when they first came out. This was due to the lock up. However S&W has rectified the issue.
Understand most shooters that were testing the M&P was Glock shooters. The glock has a differant axist bore than the M&P and a glock shooter will shoot lower with the M&P as they are sight lining the way a glock does. I had this issue for a while till I started shooting the M&P the way it was meant to be...not like a glock. My M&P 40 and 45 is all stock. At 25 i am getting 2 inch groups which is better than the 4 glocks I own and shoot. For me, my M&P is far more superior than my other stock handguns. It shoots on par with my Sig 1911 which cost twice as much. At 10 yards, with 10 shots the X mark is completely punched out with the M&P 45. In my M&P 40 I have a little over 9,000 rounds through it and never had a reliability issue. Unlike my glocks The M&P 45 will eat up all kinds of JHP I have put down the pipe. |
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This has been a real issue for me. I have shot many handguns over the years but my M&P 9 (early model) has bothered me from day 1.
I reload so I tinker with different bullets, powders, powder charge, and seating depth until I find something that makes me happy. My M&P 9 has never made me happy. Off a bag at 17 yards it has never been able to reliably put 5 shots in less than 2 inches. I have tried it with a large number of different handloads. The only round it has consistently shot under 2" is the Fed red box from Walmart. Needless to say that annoys the crap out of me. For comparison, my RIA Tac 9 will shoot 1' at 17 yards. My M&P 9c will reliably shoot under 2' at 17 yards. My new M&P Pro 9L will reliably shoot 2 different reloads at 1.6" or less at 17 yards (with crappy factory trigger). I keep telling myself I just can't shoot the gun but targets from other stablemates make me think it isn't me. Note: Sorry if me complaining about 2"+ seems foolish. I know some people have issues with getting a 5" group but I expect less than 2" groups at 17-25 yards out of a service sized handgun with tailored handloads. |
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This has been a real issue for me. I have shot many handguns over the years but my M&P 9 (early model) has bothered me from day 1. I reload so I tinker with different bullets, powders, powder charge, and seating depth until I find something that makes me happy. My M&P 9 has never made me happy. Off a bag at 17 yards it has never been able to reliably put 5 shots in less than 2 inches. I have tried it with a large number of different handloads. The only round it has consistently shot under 2" is the Fed red box from Walmart. Needless to say that annoys the crap out of me. For comparison, my RIA Tac 9 will shoot 1' at 17 yards. My M&P 9c will reliably shoot under 2' at 17 yards. My new M&P Pro 9L will reliably shoot 2 different reloads at 1.6" or less at 17 yards (with crappy factory trigger). I keep telling myself I just can't shoot the gun but targets from other stablemates make me think it isn't me. Note: Sorry if me complaining about 2"+ seems foolish. I know some people have issues with getting a 5" group but I expect less than 2" groups at 17-25 yards out of a service sized handgun with tailored handloads. If you have the early model then contact S&W. They had to redo the lock up as it effected the weapons accuracy. Im sure they will take care of you. |
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My apex equipped M&P 9 with 10-8 sights does real well. http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af339/Bigbadjon82/Snapbucket/8FD6B4D9.jpg 25' freehand 2 mags. First two mags of the day. It will do this all day long. EDIT: this was with S&B 115 grain At 25 feet that is adequate and in line with any decently made service auto and decent shooter. Good not fantastic or anything. ETA, I'm not trying to undercut the poster here, but just pointing out that a little of people who have not received formal pistol training don't really know what good shooting looks like. I have done some training classes however, I work too much to actually be a good shot. |
| At 25 yards I am getting 2.5" groups with my M&P 9mm using my ratty assed handloads with assorded cases, 115 JHP bullets and a little too much 231. This is from an Elmer Keith sitting position with the pistol between the knees. My 9mm Shield will do 4" shooting this way with the same ammo at the same distance. Both pistols are box stock. Hardbawl |
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The S&W trigger sucks. That being said, your fundamentals are more important. If you have good fundamentals, it will be plenty accurate. When people geek out over sights and triggers, it's often because THEY can't shoot well, not the gun. Well considering today's ammo scarcity and pricing I'd say it is better to upgrade your trigger then practice with the upgraded trigger. But you are right if you really want to commit to it both time wise and financially it would be better to get more trigger time. |
| I've got a fullsize .45 I use for IDPA and rifle matches. I put in an Apex kit and swapped out for the XS standard i-dot sights, which for me are a whole lot faster on target, but you sacrifice a small amount of precision. I can still keep it on a IDPA target at 50yd though. |