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5/8/2006 7:18:41 PM EDT
Hi,

I was told Springfield doesn't offer a firing pin safety in their line of 1911s. If this is true, why? Can you get one installed on your Springy?

thanks
5/8/2006 7:45:17 PM EDT
[#1]
Springfield chose to go another route with a titanium firing pin with extra power firing pin spring.  The light weight of the firing pin makes for unlikely accidental firings if you drop the gun.  To my knowledge, you cant install a firing pin safety on a sprinfield.
5/8/2006 7:57:28 PM EDT
[#2]
Actually, you could if you had all the equipment necessary to drill into the slide where the firing pin safety is on series 80 colts, then you would have to buy the extra parts and install them.  Basically, it's just not worth the effort to do so, because THEN you would also have to have the frame cut to allow for the activation piece to be installed when you pull the trigger.

If you want a firing pin SAFETY don't buy a SA.  I however have 2, and love both of them for the crisp, clean, trigger pull.
5/9/2006 11:51:49 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Springfield chose to go another route with a titanium firing pin with extra power firing pin spring.  The light weight of the firing pin makes for unlikely accidental firings if you drop the gun.  To my knowledge, you cant install a firing pin safety on a sprinfield.


So is this "extra power firing pin spring" exclusive to SA only? What about the Springfield PRO model?

Deep down inside, it's still what you call a "firing pin safety" or "drop safety" right?

And all Springfield 1911s don't have MIM parts right?

Thanks alot.
5/9/2006 5:23:13 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Springfield chose to go another route with a titanium firing pin with extra power firing pin spring.  The light weight of the firing pin makes for unlikely accidental firings if you drop the gun.  To my knowledge, you cant install a firing pin safety on a sprinfield.


So is this "extra power firing pin spring" exclusive to SA only? What about the Springfield PRO model?

Deep down inside, it's still what you call a "firing pin safety" or "drop safety" right?

And all Springfield 1911s don't have MIM parts right?

Thanks alot.



I dont believe there is anything exclusive about SA's firing pin springs.  They are just stronger.  The difference between springfields method and say kimber series II 1911's is that the kimbers have a firing pin stop that is deactivated by the grip safety(call Scwartz safety).  Some people dont like this as it complicates the internal mechanisms of the gun and could cause a malfunction(but I doubt it). Also, Colt series 80 1911s have a firing pin stop that is deactivated when the trigger is pulled.  Some might say this degrades the quality of the feel of the trigger(Ive never shot one).  With springfield, you get no firing pin stop, just a really light titanium firing pin with a strong spring.  So, I guess you could call it a drop safety.  But, there is nothing physically blocking the firing pin like on kimber series II or colt series 80.

As to MIM parts in springfield,  The Pro doesn't have any, same for their custom shop guns I'd guess, but, their production guns are full of MIM.  I got a trp that is stuffed silly with MIM parts.
5/10/2006 7:27:51 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
The difference between springfields method and say kimber series II 1911's is that the kimbers have a firing pin stop that is deactivated by the grip safety(call Scwartz safety).  Some people dont like this as it complicates the internal mechanisms of the gun and could cause a malfunction(but I doubt it)



It shouldn't but it does. We've seen a couple of cases of customers coming off the firing line and complaining that their guns wouldn't fire. The primers showed evidence of light strikes and the cause was traced to a dragging firing pin safety that restricted the firing pins motion. The grip safety just could not raise the mechanism high enough to fully unlock the firing pin. We should note that this occurred on guns that had been functioning normally. Unwittingly installing a conventional Series 70 firing pin could also cause the same problem.
5/11/2006 3:25:37 AM EDT
[#6]
Actually, "unwittingly" (or not) installing a true series 70 firing pin should deactivate the fps on a schwartz system.
5/11/2006 3:32:37 AM EDT
[#7]
The Swartz system sucks - I'm tossing my new Kimber in favor of a Springfield because it doesn't have all those stupid failure-prone parts in it.

But hey, whatever makes you happy.
5/11/2006 7:38:30 AM EDT
[#8]

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Actually, "unwittingly" (or not) installing a true series 70 firing pin should deactivate the fps on a schwartz system.



I concede to be just as fallible as anyone but I'm not following that statement. You can put a Series 80 pin in anything but not the other way around. Wouldn't a Series 70 pin in a Kimber bind the firing pin safety even tighter?

The Series 70 is at the bottom.

5/11/2006 9:46:31 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

So is this "extra power firing pin spring" exclusive to SA only?





Wolf Gunsprings sells them for virtually any 1911 clone.
5/11/2006 4:53:44 PM EDT
[#10]
No, actually since a series 70 has no "groove" in it, there is nothing for the plunger to lock on. You'll get a little drag, but not enough to matter.
5/12/2006 8:00:17 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
No, actually since a series 70 has no "groove" in it, there is nothing for the plunger to lock on. You'll get a little drag, but not enough to matter.



We have had a couple of cases of customers Kimbers failing to fire due to light strikes. Testing and examination showed it was due to the factory firing pin safety failing to fully disengage and dragging on the firing pin. I would expect the drag to be far greater on a firing pin lacking the groove.
6/1/2006 7:39:12 PM EDT
[#12]
I had a couple light strikes with the stock TI firing pin on a SA Micro Compact.  Replaced it with a standard series 70 pin and the light strikes went away.
6/4/2006 3:50:04 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No, actually since a series 70 has no "groove" in it, there is nothing for the plunger to lock on. You'll get a little drag, but not enough to matter.



We have had a couple of cases of customers Kimbers failing to fire due to light strikes. Testing and examination showed it was due to the factory firing pin safety failing to fully disengage and dragging on the firing pin. I would expect the drag to be far greater on a firing pin lacking the groove.



Actually, installing an S70 pin is a very commonly used way to overcome the Kimber safety.  It works just fine.
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