Posted: 4/21/2007 5:23:46 PM EDT
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Well last week a tree fell on the front half of my carport and crushed it. Insurance wrote a 4grand check for replacement. Now me being a cheap SOG, I can keep the back half with just a little cosmetic work done to it. This will save big bucks just doing the front half. With the savings I should be able to get a new handgun(yea!!!!!). I have SIGs, HK, and 1911's(kimber and springfields). I now would like to get either a SPringfield XD or a Glock. I am only planning on one right now but if the new carport comes in under budget I could get both. For those of you who carry and shoot the XD, How do you like them? I have shot the Glock but not the XD. As for caliber, I already have 40, 357sig and a large number in 45acp. I am now leaning to 9mm to round out my collection. Just looking for your thoughts. Before someone suggest a revolver, I have a sp101 and I have a ruger vaquero(45colt/45acp). I have carried both concealed, the vaquero in a shoulder rig(use to, till the rig disappeared). Update: Thanks for the replies. I went with the Glock 19. I got it from a dealer at the funshow. He sold it to me NIB with 500 rounds for 469.00 out the door. Now after I test it, I'll have to find me a holster I like. |
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If you are just getting one to have one and normally carry something else, I would get a Glock 17 or a Glock 34 so you can shoot cheap 9mm. If you want a carry gun get the 19. As far as XDs, I think you have to shoot both. If you are used to 1911s you might like the XDs, since the grip angle is similar to a 1911, unlike the Glock which is a pretty extreme angle if you are not used to it. Personally I am not crazy about XDs, I had the little 9mm one and sold it, some people really like them. Pay attention to the reset on the XD, on the ones I have seen it is pretty long. |
I'll look at the 19. Really the grip angle is not an issue for me. The first pistol I ever shot was a glock. It belonged to a Leo friend of mine. He said if I could put it back together after he had cleaned it I could shoot it. I put it together in under 60 seconds. Fired 50 rounds like the police do to qual. Shot better than my friend. Only thing that has kept me from getting the glock is the safety being on the trigger. But then I was new to handguns and now I am looking at getting one for CCW. I normally carry a sig229, 220/245, HK 45uspc or a 1911, depending on how I feel. I just thought I would add a glock to the sellection. Guns are like golf clubs, ya can't only play with one club. |
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If you like a Glock, I would say get the Glock. I wouldn't even bother with the XD. I am sure the XD is a fine pistol, but Glocks are hard to beat. I know there are quite a few Glock bashers out there, but the truth is, it is a very good weapon. With that said however, I don't like Glocks. For me, they just don't seem to fit my hand or point well. I had the same problem with the XD. I didn't like the feel of the pistol. Not to completely derail your thread, but I have recently acquired a Smith & Wesson M&P and I have been really impressed with it. If you are looking for a striker fired polymer framed pistol, you might want to at least consider an M&P as a possible option as well. |
+1 the XDs just didnt provide anything better than my glocks did other than a little better trigger countour and comfier grip |
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The parts breakeage reports on the XD are much greater than that of the Glock. Some guy here had a thread with a large sample of XDs and the number of parts failures reported was pretty high. (That combined with the fact that I don't really like what Springfield Armory stands for as a firearms company) |
What do they stand for? I have the XD subcompact 9 for my carry weapon. It's been an excellent gun never had anything break or malfunction. Even with the thousands of reloads put through it. I love the extra safety, the sights are much better, not to mention the tactical rail. Pull them both apart and look at them side by side they're nearly identical inside. Both very easy to field strip. I like the internal extractor of the XD as well. My trigger is also the lightest of any I've felt. I had to qualify for a commisioned security course with a Glock 19 and don't get me wrong it was a fine gun, just didn't have all the bells and whistles. Also the glock grip just wasn't for me, much too wide.hinking.gif |
I see them as a marketing company. They're not fools.... They make a lot of money with their business formula. They market marginal quality foreign made firearms under a classic American name. I also love how the NRA's publications award Springfield with Pistol of the year award year after year as though there's some sort of impartial decision process going on.  |
I don't care for their use of CLAMP ON FSBs. But their quality seems good. I have 3 Armalite/Eagle lowers that are nice. If the principals of Armalite bought the name, and then imported a bunch of mediocre guns, I'd be just as critical of them too! Armalite does milk the name a bit, but at least they make their guns here in the US, and have good quality. |
My point here is their new pistol.....it is made in Turkey and has Armalite all over it. I have no idea about it's quality, and am not implying it to be good or bad, it just seems that Armalite is doing at least one thing similar that Springfield is doing with it's new pistol. |
Oh! OK! I missed your point... Hmm... I guess my thoughts on that are.... Armalite's AR-24 commands no where near the market share that Springers 1911s do. And the pistol isn't really marketed the same way. It's a high quality replication of the CZ or whatever the original designation was. It's a foreign design built in a foreign country and imported under the Armalite name. I can't really liken Armalite's pistol to the Springfield formula. |
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Quoted: Just looking for your thoughts. The Glock 17 or 19 are great pistols. They work and any colliection should have at least one. The Glock 17 is a great range/defense pistol that can be fitted or perchesed with factory snag free adjustable sights. I would leave the trigure stock. Great guns. The factory CZ75Bs 9mms are very nice pistols also. The stainless or glossy blued models are fantastic 
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I will agree with that..... A note on your side of this....... My friend bought one of SA's GI .45s in SS, he left it in the case for about a month (I know he should take better care, but it wasn't horrible treatment) and it has surface rust all over it. He e-mailed them and they said it was his fault (it was) and they would do nothing......not too impressed with that. Sorry for the semi-hijack. |
| I recently went throught the same situation. I went out and rented a glock and an XD. The glock was good, but I couldn't hit crap with it. The XD just points better for me, so I went with that. Only 400 rds so far with 5 different brands of ammo, no problems so far. Both are great, get what works for you. |
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Glock is narrower than the Springfield XD, S&W MP, HK USPc, Walther P99, SIG, or FN. Glock packs flatter than all of them- which is the number one issue with carrying. Also notice most manufacturers don't add "Width" because they know people will notice their pistols are wider than Glocks. C77 
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I have both the Glock and the XD. I like the XD alittle better only because of the grip safety, exposed firing pin when cocked, and chambered round indicator. I like to see whats going on, but thats just me. The XD is a little thicker. I think they both are great and both are fun to shoot. You may find yourself with one of each. |
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No problem on the hijack of the thread. I wanted thoughts for my next handgun and the glock is the only one I do not have. I have springfield 1911's(quite few btw made by para,kimber,springfield(8 at last count)), sigs(6 at last count) and HK(regular care gun) but all in 45acp or 357sig. I what to add a 9mm med frame gun(sub compact models just don'r fit me right). One thing has become apparent, To many guns not enough bank account. 
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If it's a CCW setup get the following: Glock 19 Mags XS Big Dot sights Comp-tac CTAC Ammo. Training Training Force-On-Force Training. Training XDs are OK but I know people that have had mag issues with them (mags seem to be easily crudded-up). People spend WAY too much cash buying shit when they would be MUCH better served using that money on professional instruction and then practicing what they've learned. Mike |
Training is no problem since I grew up with a relative who was a big wig in the FBI and ran the TXDPS for a while. I got to know and work with some of the training officers(Kid watching training sessions and some hands on some of the fire arms). But I would add to the training: Practice practice practice. |
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Quoted: I have SIGs, HK, and 1911's(kimber and springfields). quote] My best guess is you are familar with these grip angles, Sigs, 1911's, and XD's have pretty close to the same grip angle, where as the Glock is different. From a training standpoint, one grip to master = easier/better. On the other hand I got my XD9 service the day I I turned 21, and its been like my shadow since then. I shoot the hell out of it, keep it clean, and oiled and she hasn't fussed a bit! I love 'em, any new female shooters will most likely love it (careful they might batt the eyes and try to sweet talk you out of it) All of this comes from my direct experiance. I like the chamber indicator for reasurance in the dark (not on a glock), the steel mags drop free when released (not like my brothers 21), and the additioal grip safety when reholstering (thumb on the cocking indicator on the rear of the slide) gives you more insurance when it comes to striping you legs. Long story short, I love mine, won't part with it, and getting its sub compact sister. |
See sigline. ETA: To clarify xmikex's "training", he probably means hands-on training with a reputable company. One that you pay for and come back wanting more. The classes that your cop buddies go to to learn their stuff. Something you picked up as a hanger-on might be worthwhile, but is no substitue for real training. |
Same here, except for the part of female shooters. I only have one I go with (Wife) and she will get (I will buy) her own damn XD-9. 
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Let me be an oddball here and say XD. I have the tactical and the sub-compact both in 9mm. Extra safety(Grip), chamber indicators,grip angle is more natural meaning your not looking at the top of the slide when you bring it tpo eye level. (Unless your wrist has been broken in to accept the angle of a Glock grip.)
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FMD (as always) hits the nail on the head - Get hands-on professional training with a reputable company. (Defensive Edge, Vickers, TDI, Tactical Response, SouthNarc, Suarez, etc.) Now if he would just stop smoking....
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| Have owned 5 Glocks, decided to try a XD 45 last year. After the XD locked up and had to be returned to the importer for repairs I traded it for a Glock. The funish on the XD was showing serious wear after only being carried a few times. The locking block on the XD dented the shit out of the feed ramp during my attempts to unlock it. and of course S/A left the dented barrel in the pistol! The XD shot well and I felt fairly well armed with it but too many little things annoyed me...Glock Forever! |