[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Taurus (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/23/2007 8:45:37 AM EDT
| Hey! I'm looking to buy my first 1911 and I narrowed it down to a 45 but still unsure of manuf. I like the S&W 1911 but heres the question???? What do you guys think about the Taurus 1911??? Thanks Gunny |
| I looked one over today. Lots of features for the money. Certainly well made. I think I would consider it over a Springfield being that both are brazillian made with the Taurus having alot more for the money. It is of course, not a real Colt, but for a bargain brand, you could get alot less in the Kimber knock offs for alot more money. |
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try a search on em...been discussed a lot around here, w/ a lot of varying opinions, but mostly positive and some undecided personally, i have both a SW 1911 and a PT1911 both have been 100% reliable out of the box so far, but only a couple hundred rnds through each one; was the SW worth the extra $200? i couldnt tell you--its what you belive its worth and which you value more: style or functionallity; the SW's fit, finish, and overall parts quality is a LOT better and more noticibly top notch over the PT1911 h/w, the PT1911's trigger pull/break/feel is GREAT as is; heinie sights are good; forged frame and slide w/ the 30lpi FSC are great features for the price imo (notthing to compare to my kimber TLE w/ simliar features) the only thing i didnt like about the SW is the external extractor, BUT its been tops in reliability; i dont like the PT1911 hammer w/ the gay internal lock, but its easy to change out (i changed it out to a WC speed hammer and a new hammer strutt) if i had the cash, i'd get another SW1911; if i didnt, i would not hesitate to pick up another PT1911 |
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I can't say as I've seen any negative posts concerning the Taurus PT1911 so far. Having finaly gotten around to pawing one I found it to be rough in the fit and finish department. However it does have a lot of features for the $$$ and they appear to shoot reliably. |
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Got a Taurus PT 1911 on 12/27/06 and it's a very nice pistol for the money. Field stripped it, cleaned and oiled it when I got it home. Their ads say they are hand fitted. I could tell from looking over the parts that this one was hand fitted. The extractor, barrel hood, slide stop, and slide showed filing and polishing marks. The fit and finish are very good. Not quite as good as my Kimber Pro Carry II, but very nice. The checkering is machine cut and a little uneven on the front of the grip but not bad enough to send it back to Taurus. The slide is tight and doesn't rattle. There is very very slight movement of the barrel when in lock and pushing down on the barrel hood. The trigger measured 4 1/4 lbs (out of the box) with about 1/16 in take up and slight creep, crisp release. The pistol comes with two mags, brush, and a barrel wrench. Didn't need the barrel wrench as the barrel bushing moved easily with hand pressure. Because it has a full length guide rod the spring plug has a hole thru it. I used the base of one of the mags to depress the spring plug. Took it to the range today and fired 250 rnds thru it. It fed Independence 230 grn FMJ just fine. I used some HSM 230 grn JHP and it choked on it some. As I shot more it seemed to have less of a problem. But the JHPs were not reliable at this point. Will try some better JHP after a few hundred more rounds of FMJ. My best group was 4 shots into 1.5 in at 35 ft two handed grip. For comparison my best group with the same ammo out of my Kimber is about 1.25 in. All things considered I am very pleased with the PT 1911. Well worth the $540 that I paid for it. It is a big step up from the RIA, SA, Charles Daly, Hi Standards that I looked at. There are cheaper prices out there if you look hard enough. This was my first Internet purchase. I usually like to purchase locally, so I can fondle the gun before buying it. But couldn't find any local dealer that could keep one in stock long enough for me to buy it. I got mine thru Red's Trading Post in Twin Falls, ID. I highly recommend them, quick and very good service. http://www.redstradingpost.com/ UPDATE Since I did this review about 3 weeks ago; I have run 400 more rounds thru the Taurus. Remington UMC 230 grn JHP feed reliably. WWB 230 grn JHP will feed reliably if I only load 7 rnds in the 47D mags.  This target was at 35 ft, 40 rnds total using Independence 230 grn FMJ unbraced. The outer ring is 7" in diameter.  Diamondback A 45 may not expand but it will never be smaller than .45 in! 
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How many positive posts do we have to see before you change your mind? The Taurus, the Rock Island Tactical and the STI Spartan are the current value leaders in the .45 market. |
how many hand fit, polished parts,high dollar sighted,good shootin ,45,s for 460.00 bucks you see?i was skeptic too.........till i bought one! |
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I tried the one my range had on the rental rack last night. I'd agree with everything that's been said so far. The gun shot very well with one ragged hole from 15yds after 50 rounds. Fit and feel is nice but I could do without all the markings on the slide however that's purely a cosmetic preference. Trigger was excellent for a factory gun. Honestly I was trying to find flaws in the Taurus since I'm a SA Loaded owner but this is one nice 1911 for the $. If anything, empty mags didn't eject smartly as in other 1911's but we're talking about a range gun that they claim hasn't been cleaned since renting it out a month ago. Now that's impressive. |
 Comparing this to Springfield's offerings, I predict Taurus is going to outsell them significantly at the price point. In fact at two price points higher most likely. |
Regardless of our personal biases and likes/dislikes for Springfield, they are here to stay and there are some pretty decent 'smiths who are turning Springfields into works of art. Sorry for the thread drift. |
| I my self am a SA man and have looked at the Tarus for my wife since everytime I take her to the range she gets more rounds through my mil-spec then I do. I think SA makes a great 1911 and I think Colt makes a great gun but when I can by one that will preform as well as a Colt for a lower price. At this point in my life I going to take it. I don't have the money to drop on the Colt and have the stuff I want done to it. I am happy with my SA and would be happy with a Tarus for my wife. |
| I love my pt1911. Shot 400 threw it yesterday. Shot amazing. My dad and two of my friends have bought them since I got mine. Just look the finish over real good because my buddy got one that had scratches on the trigger guard. Went and traded it for another. May not have been taurus' fault. More than likely done when someone had it out of the case. Oh well. |
How about when they start out-selling someone first, eh? Let's see their sales numbers, see how they stack up against Colt, Kimber, Springfield, etc. etc. No offense, but it costs nothing to post anything about something, does it? 
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Okay. Whatever you say. Taurus is off to a good start. |
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There always has to be some deleted who have to put everything other than their high dollar over paid items down just to make themselves feel good. If others didnt pay big $$$ for their 1911's then it must be crap right because after all I paid 1k + for mine.  I thought the COLT cool aid shit only stayed in the AR-15 discussion forum. Maybe this site should change its name to Colt-AR.com |
Typical snob BS. Brittney Spears outsells Bob Seger by a pretty big margin, but I know which I think is better! And Ford sells more cars than Ferrari, so their cars are better. Sorry man, your illogic train has been derailed. deleted Hi-point sells more guns than any of the manufacturers you listed 
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Well Said. |
| I guess the real question is why Bob has an objection to the Taurus offering. I examined one the other day and find it comparable to any of the other Non Colt knock offs. It seems to offer alot of features for the money, has received excellent reviews and seems to be gaining popularity. I fail to understand the objection. I fully understand that it will never have the collector value of a real Colt, but neither will anything else. |
it,s my belief that some people have ALWAYS looked a taurus as a CHEAP gun.only worthy of crack dealers and getto liquor store owners.now to say the bastard child of the gun world is building a .45 comparable to the holy grail,s Colt and Kimber! DAMN YOU MAN, HOW DARE YOU! |
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Their 24/7's look kinda cheap but I have never heard anyone have issues with pt99's, pt1911, or their revolvers. Heck I don't know of anyone who has had trouble with 24/7's. I have a 1988 model pt99 that has been ragged out. It has had who knows how many shots put threw it with just 1 malfunction. And this was with my buddy shooting it sideways...it stovepiped a round. This is with the original magazines that have been loaded and stayed loaded for 18 years. |
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I had my doubts as well on the Taurus PT1911 being a Colt 1911 fan from way back when. I own several Colts and Kimbers. On a lark I picked up a new PT1911 at the last local gunshow and while the finish isn't as great as it could be (it can allways be refinished the way one wants so no big deal) I found this new 1911 entry a great shooter and a quality handgun deserving serious consideration by anyone who is looking for a good/reliable 1911 but isn't wanting to spend $$$$ on a Colt, Kimber or custom 1911. I think its a much better weapon than many give it credit and I would certainly recommend it over the low end 1911 entries by RIA, Springfield Armory and others for the price. While its not a Colt or Kimber its a fine weapon and will do the job its asked to do reliably. Taurus, regardless of any deserved or undeserved reputation of making inferior weapons has done it right with the PT1911. I love my PT1911 and I never actually expected that I would. Jim |
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I think the problem comes in when people compare the Taurus to a high dollar 1911. For the money it would appear that the Taurus just may be a great thing. Is it comparable to a 2K dollar custom 1911? No way. To compare apples to apples, compare the Taurus to something in it's price range like a SA milspec or a RIA. To compare a $400 1911 to a $2K one (or even a $800) isn't realistic, and to say that it's "just as good" isn't realistic either. |
I think the "HAIR" in the ice cream is the fact that MAYBE the 460.00 pt 1911 is as good ,if not better ,than that 800.00 blaster! some how your bring down the market value. just break down all the individual cost,s of the custom features, plus a base price of a low end .45 ,300-400? what does that come up to? i just think some people dont want to admit this gun is just as good as the one they paid 800.00 for 
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Those that have compared the Taurus with say an $800 Kimber, S&W, whatever, have said the fit &finish is not on the same level. I'm not saying the Taurus is a bad gun, because from everything I have heard it is an excellent gun in that price range. Saying a $400 gun is lacking in something compared to a gun that cost twice as much isn't justifying paying more IMO, it's just stating facts. ETA: I paid $550 for my Kimber, and I couldn't be happier with it. |
As opposed to simply disagreeing with annoiting Taurus as the Big Boy on the 1911 Block, you mean?
I paid $300 for my first SA 1911. Mil-spec model I bought used, as I do most of my guns, as I'm poorer than shit, probably poorer than anyone in here.
This IS arfcom, sonny. Brand loyalty is fiercer than pick-ups, dogs, beer & womenz..............  Besides, if everyone agreed, threads would be pretty GD boring, eh? 
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Guilty after the fix. I don't buy what's "hot" or popular, I buy quality (or attempt to).
So you're gonna compare teen & pre-teen girls with gun buying adult men????? Oooooookkkkkkaaaayyyyyyy...............
Technically, yes, they are. Repairs are fewer, repairs cost less & Fords last many, many more miles than a Ferrari, generally speaking. Now, are they more desireable? That's a different debate, no? Not to mention, drive a Ferrari from West Coast to East Coast in the middle of the summer & see which one breaks down first & the most, eh?
Stating opinion doesn't count as fact, does it?
Clearly, you're confused. Did I say Taurus was/is a POS? No. Did I say not to buy one? No. What I did say was, let's not annoit Taurus as the end-all/be-all of 1911s just yet. See the difference????????
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Making shit up on a place where we can easily look up your previous post? I went to check on the post I responded to just to make sure I had not went crazy or you edited your post to cover your tracks. "He can't possibly be that stupid", I thought to myself as I took a magical journey back to page 1...
Oops. Guess you can be. Lets look at another brilliant quote from you:
So why did you imply Colt and company were better because of higher sales volume? You are either a liar or VERY selectively forgetful, and I don't care to figure out which.
I don't see what makes them so different. They buy what's popular just because it's popular, just like you said you did. Do I have to repost what you said a THIRD time to prove my point? Don't make me, I'm not afraid to
Not confused at all, because I can READ. CLEARLY, you don't remember what you typed and you are too short sighted to go look to see what you ACTUALLY said. You said to wait until Taurus sold more before we concluded it was good. This is horrible logic (but not your only recent example of it!). So it naturally follows with your (il?)logic, Colt (or Taurus even) must be better than Les Baer (or whatever high end 1911 manufacturer you prefer) because they sell more guns. And of course the Hi-Point is the greatest firearm currently manufactured! YOU ARE WRONG |
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Please don't respond to this BobCole. I just came across another thread where you acted like a total snob, got your spew thrown all over your shoes, and didn't have anything to say afterwards. Apparently, this isn't your first rodeo, and I have no intention of helping you up your "topics trolled" count. I thought you were a serious poster 
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Yet you NEVER showed where I called them a POS nor said don't buy one, did I? Anywhere?
Did *I* say *I* owned a Colt 1911? Anywhere? Or did I say to "buy a Colt? No. And yes, I DID say let Taurus outsell the big boys first before we annoit them King of The Hill. Does this mean more sales in one month? One year? Or over several years????? Silly me, I thought most folks would certainly know the difference. 
Nice. No logic, nor proof, just childish name calling.
Uhm, no. I said *I* try to buy quality, not what's "hot" or "popular". Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I don't. Needless to say, I've been less than pleased on a Taurus before, hence my suggestion we wait before knighting them. See the difference?????????????
So you're saying quality WON'T win out over the long haul? Is THAT what you're saying? I don't want to put words in your mouth, nor can I read minds. 
No doubt about as logical as your personal attacks.................. |
Tough. Have I lost a debate before? No doubt. Have I been wrong before? No doubt. Am I a brand snob? No doubt. But "the lack of response" is usually after some childish braindead boob resorts to infantile name calling. Instead of saying, "Here's where I disagree.............", it becomes a "You're a fucking dumbass, yadda yadda yadda............" Oh, yes: Don't bother to respond, eh???????? |
Judging by this thread www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=39581 that may not be the case much longer. It looks like what many had predicted is beginning. Taurus' prices increasing. Combine the rising prices and the fact it's a Taurus (not being a "snob" , just had bad experiences with Taurus and won't own another), it's not that great a deal (provided the prices keep rising).To quote Ted Yost quoting Jules from Pulp Fiction in regards to the Taurus (and to piss off the "snob police"  )"Sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie, but I'll never know..." |
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Sheesh, what is it with people with a few posts and a few months? Relaxxxxxxxx, wank off, or something. I'll withhold judgement on the Taurus 1911 for a year or two and see how they are working then. I've got a 99 myself that has been great, but I want to see if all the MIM holds up in the 1911. That'll take a while. And the price is already up, we'll see where it stabilizes. |