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All of these new replies, please make sure to email Ruger's CEO. Originally Posted By Plumber576: TL:DR Email Ruger's CEO to say the Ruger MkIV needs increased capacity. Link goes to Ruger's "Tell The CEO" page. |
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Originally Posted By bad2006z71: I'm not going to be an early adapter of a 22/45 DS, but damn if I wouldn't get one sooner or later. 10 rds blows. It's why my P322 gets shot more than my 22/45 mk IV I would be confident if its a Magpul product. They don't exactly rush something to market before its ready. |
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Originally Posted By nightshade1: I would be confident if its a Magpul product. They don't exactly rush something to market before its ready. It’s a shame they can’t make the magazine work on the existing MK IV frames. But I guess it just isn’t possible to fit a DS magazine in such a narrow grip. |
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Originally Posted By tyranid: I cant see why Tandemkoss has not done it as they are selling their own single-stack lower. It would not be cheap, but it would sell It's not an easy thing to do. Copying the specs of an existing lower and making it look different is probably a lot easier for a company than creating a new one. |
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Originally Posted By bw77: I dont get why this is such a big deal. Theyre target pistols and hunting pistols for the most part. Shoot 10 rounds and reload one of the easiest mags to load. This has been addressed ad nauseum in this thread. |
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Originally Posted By bw77: So whats your point Originally Posted By bw77: Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: This has been addressed ad nauseum in this thread. So whats your point Why come in to the thread and rehash the same thing? Obviously high cap 22's are gaining in popularity. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Why come in to the thread and rehash the same thing? Obviously high cap 22's are gaining in popularity. Why have any threads and discuss anything then if you only want to talk about what you wanna hear. Why discuss anything at all |
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Originally Posted By bw77: Why have any threads and discuss anything then if you only want to talk about what you wanna hear. Why discuss anything at all Originally Posted By bw77: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Why come in to the thread and rehash the same thing? Obviously high cap 22's are gaining in popularity. Why have any threads and discuss anything then if you only want to talk about what you wanna hear. Why discuss anything at all If you had two guns sitting next to each other with the only real difference being that one held 10 rounds and one holds 20 which one would you choose? I don't know anyone that would choose the ten round gun. We see it play out with all kinds of guns spanning all kinds of uses. There's basically no downside to added capacity as you can always download should you wish to do so for whatever reason. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: If you had two guns sitting next to each other with the only real difference being that one held 10 rounds and one holds 20 which one would you choose? I don't know anyone that would choose the ten round gun. We see it play out with all kinds of guns spanning all kinds of uses. There's basically no downside to added capacity as you can always download should you wish to do so for whatever reason. Many on this site have said over and over that they wouldnt buy a ruger Mark series gun solely because it only holds 10 rounds. Capacity is just one metric to judge a firearm by. By that logic you would choose a gun that holds more than ten rounds but has shit ergos and shit accuracy and a shit trigger over a highly accurate sweet shooting pistol. For what reason? The only reason to choose capacity over all else would maybe be in a defensive or combat pistol. These are .22s. Plinkers and small game hunting guns. That logic would also mean no one would ever buy revolvers. Which we all know many people own and love to shoot. |
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Originally Posted By bw77: Many on this site have said over and over that they wouldnt buy a ruger Mark series gun solely because it only holds 10 rounds. Capacity is just one metric to judge a firearm by. By that logic you would choose a gun that holds more than ten rounds but has shit ergos and shit accuracy and a shit trigger over a highly accurate sweet shooting pistol. For what reason? The only reason to choose capacity over all else would maybe be in a defensive or combat pistol. These are .22s. Plinkers and small game hunting guns. That logic would also mean no one would ever buy revolvers. Which we all know many people own and love to shoot. Originally Posted By bw77: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: If you had two guns sitting next to each other with the only real difference being that one held 10 rounds and one holds 20 which one would you choose? I don't know anyone that would choose the ten round gun. We see it play out with all kinds of guns spanning all kinds of uses. There's basically no downside to added capacity as you can always download should you wish to do so for whatever reason. Many on this site have said over and over that they wouldnt buy a ruger Mark series gun solely because it only holds 10 rounds. Capacity is just one metric to judge a firearm by. By that logic you would choose a gun that holds more than ten rounds but has shit ergos and shit accuracy and a shit trigger over a highly accurate sweet shooting pistol. For what reason? The only reason to choose capacity over all else would maybe be in a defensive or combat pistol. These are .22s. Plinkers and small game hunting guns. That logic would also mean no one would ever buy revolvers. Which we all know many people own and love to shoot. You didn't really answer my question and changed the parameters. It's not an either or it would be the same gun. Take your revolver example and look at how popular increased capacity revolvers are. When they did 10 shot 617's and 8 shot 317's people loved them. Neither are for defense. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: If you had two guns sitting next to each other with the only real difference being that one held 10 rounds and one holds 20 which one would you choose? I don't know anyone that would choose the ten round gun. We see it play out with all kinds of guns spanning all kinds of uses. There's basically no downside to added capacity as you can always download should you wish to do so for whatever reason. Yep |
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Originally Posted By bw77: Many on this site have said over and over that they wouldnt buy a ruger Mark series gun solely because it only holds 10 rounds. Capacity is just one metric to judge a firearm by. By that logic you would choose a gun that holds more than ten rounds but has shit ergos and shit accuracy and a shit trigger over a highly accurate sweet shooting pistol. For what reason? The only reason to choose capacity over all else would maybe be in a defensive or combat pistol. These are .22s. Plinkers and small game hunting guns. That logic would also mean no one would ever buy revolvers. Which we all know many people own and love to shoot. Your reasoning and logic suck. Yes, I use my 22's for plinking and because of that, I'd much rather have a 20rds capacity MKIV then be limited to 10rd. And BTW, semi auto rimfires out sell revolvers by at least 10-1 and you must know, capacity is one of the big reasons why. This is not an either/or question. Nobody in their right mind would pick a 10rd capacity gun if they could get the same exact gun but with a 20rd capacity and that's going to be true regardless of what they plan to use the gun for IMO. |
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Originally Posted By Ewald: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The_Ruger_Letter_of_1989/5-482238/ Bill Ruger himself was one of the first people to promote nation wide mag cap bans. It took over twenty years, his death, and the sunset of the 94' crime bill for Ruger as a company to recover. No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun." -Bill Ruger "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round mags or my folding stock." -Bill Ruger |
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Originally Posted By ban-hater: No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun." -Bill Ruger "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round mags or my folding stock." -Bill Ruger In case you didn't get the memo, that old man from a different era is dead and this isn't the same Ruger company anymore. If BX-15 & -25 mags doesn't prove that out, I don't know what will? |
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Originally Posted By airgunner: In case you didn't get the memo, that old man from a different era is dead and this isn't the same Ruger company anymore. If BX-15 & -25 mags doesn't prove that out, I don't know what will? Originally Posted By airgunner: Originally Posted By ban-hater: No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun." -Bill Ruger "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round mags or my folding stock." -Bill Ruger In case you didn't get the memo, that old man from a different era is dead and this isn't the same Ruger company anymore. If BX-15 & -25 mags doesn't prove that out, I don't know what will? 
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Originally Posted By m0833937: would take a completely different lower. not enough room to retro fit one. Ruger wont make one for the Mark IV. They will save it for the Mark V. I wish they would use a bolt shaped like the one volquartsen uses. It is much easier to use. Are you talking about the knob out back? Lots of people add them on. Originally Posted By GGF: Just get a Ruger Charger and use high cap 10/22 mags. 10/22's are crappy pistols. I've yet to handle one that felt right. Their best use is a SBR in my opinion. |
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Originally Posted By cschaeff: The grip frame is already pretty big, a double stack mag would be a 2X4. A double stack wouldn't be amuch larger than a 1911 mag. Relatively easy to do. Double COLUMN, i.e. 18 - 20 rounds, would be much larger. I personally would take reliability over capacity, but I think I had 15 rd Glock .22 conversion mags, and they were plenty reliable. |
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Originally Posted By Plumber576: Just to follow-up with everyone here, I sent my own email telling the CEO I'm the one pressing for an increased capacity MkIV and that's why there may have been an influx of requests for one lately. I received this response from the product manager: I knew the idea would be a challenge, and unfortunately, it sounds like one Ruger won't be taking on anytime soon. Still, I appreciate their taking the time to respond. Sounds like the next standard-capacity Ruger rimfire pistol we'll see won't be in the Mark series. Thanks to everyone who sent a message. If you haven't yet, I'd encourage you to still send a message letting Ruger know an increased-capacity Ruger Mark pistol is worth the time and effort. Originally Posted By Plumber576: Just to follow-up with everyone here, I sent my own email telling the CEO I'm the one pressing for an increased capacity MkIV and that's why there may have been an influx of requests for one lately. I received this response from the product manager: Plumber576, Our CEO, Mr. Killoy asked that I drop you a line to address the issue of increasing the Mark IV magazine capacity. This is a request that we get frequently. Magazine development is one of the most difficult aspects of designing a firearm. Factors such as grip angles, widths, cartridge shapes and lengths, bullet shapes, rim type, etc are all factors that will change the design and capacity of a magazine. In some cases, like in the Mark IV, the sum of those factors can introduce severe limitations. The grip angle and width of the Mark IV limit the number of rounds that can be loaded in the magazine before the bullet nose of the cartridge at the top of the magazine presents too low to feed. There are things that we can do to increase the number but it will still only add an additional two rounds. And, depending upon ammunition type, the bullet nose dipping may be problematic. With all of that said, we are looking at some creative options to solve the problem. But they will likely involve moving away from the traditional Mark Series pistols. I hope this helps explain why Ruger hasn’t introduced a higher round magazine. It is a complicated issue of physics and space. Please let me know if you have any further questions. I knew the idea would be a challenge, and unfortunately, it sounds like one Ruger won't be taking on anytime soon. Still, I appreciate their taking the time to respond. Sounds like the next standard-capacity Ruger rimfire pistol we'll see won't be in the Mark series. Thanks to everyone who sent a message. If you haven't yet, I'd encourage you to still send a message letting Ruger know an increased-capacity Ruger Mark pistol is worth the time and effort. Sounds like in a year or two they will have a new rimfire pistol, because as they solve problems to get you your 15 or 20 round mag, it creates more problems to stay wedded to the MK series of uppers. I wouldn't be discouraged, it sounds like they are working on exactly what you want (a higher capacity Ruger rimfire pistol). |
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Originally Posted By airgunner: Well considering you felt the need to post irrelevant quotes from a dead dude, I figured maybe you didn't get the memo Originally Posted By airgunner: Well considering you felt the need to post irrelevant quotes from a dead dude, I figured maybe you didn't get the memo Irrelevant much like your replies. Have a nice day. |
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Waste of time trying. seems like Ruger stopped listening to its customers when Bill Ruger died and his kids took over. I mean they didn't even make the mark4 compatible with old Gen mags. I was initially excited when l heard it was coming out but when I found out l would have to buy new gen4 mags l said fuck that Now with some many better options out there why bother. I still own and shoot my mk3 22/45 but won't bother getting another. |
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Originally Posted By Mav3rick: Waste of time trying. seems like Ruger stopped listening to its customers when Bill Ruger died and his kids took over. I mean they didn't even make the mark4 compatible with old Gen mags. I was initially excited when l heard it was coming out but when I found out l would have to buy new gen4 mags l said fuck that Now with some many better options out there why bother. I still own and shoot my mk3 22/45 but won't bother getting another. Ruger has made all kinds of awesome stuff directly responding to the market(customers) since the old man died. I do wish the 22/45 mags would have stayed the same but I'm guessing they had a reason. |
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Originally Posted By Mav3rick: Waste of time trying. seems like Ruger stopped listening to its customers when Bill Ruger died and his kids took over. That's complete BS. Sorry to say it but Bill dying was one of the best things to happen the Ruger catalog in the last 20 years. They are much more open to new idea's and giving customers what they want then Bill ever was. Bill only offered what he personally wanted or liked. |
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Originally Posted By airgunner: That's complete BS. Sorry to say it but Bill dying was one of the best things to happen the Ruger catalog in the last 20 years. They are much more open to new idea's and giving customers what they want then Bill ever was. Bill only offered what he personally wanted or liked. Yep |
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This is happening. I don't know when, I hope at SHOT, but the patent is approved. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ruger-awarded-double-stack-22lr-magazine-patent-44824750 |
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Originally Posted By snackle: Hey @plumber576, I 100% agree. The mkiv is the best rimfire pistol today. It wouldn't take much to get a double stack of 22. A stagger stack like the m&p22 has is extremely reliable and would increase capacity a ton, as would shrinking the follower. I went with a S&W victory and am very happy with it, easily on par with the MKIV. It seems some companies have cracked the code on making a high capacity 22 reliable- not easy with the rimmed cartridge ! The best logic is to maybe take an existing high cap proven to work, and create a lower compatible with the ruger upper. In this unusual case the fact the upper is the serialized part means replacement grip upgrades for the higher capacity could be shipped directly to customers with no FFL involved, a huge bonus. I tend to think of ten round mags as sufficient for my purposes but that might not be the case for someone else. Having options is great - I am not super old ( hope to get there some day!) but do remember when carry gun choice was a 1911 or revolver ( with a smattering of S&W 39/59 series guns and high powers) and in those days a gun that was reliable with hollow points was a rare gem. Now we have dozens of guns to choose from that are. |