[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The gun that does not exist (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/25/2009 3:53:04 PM EDT
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If you could design the perfect gun, what features would you incorporate from existing pistols? Personally, I want a gun that had the ergonomics, usability, and .45ness of a 1911 with the simple, rugged, and lightweight construction of Glock. I'd be willing to sacrifice high capacity for a gun that felt right in my hand. I could also live without an exposed hammer, but would keep two out of the three safeties found on either gun. I also like the modularity on 1911's that allow for different grips and mainspring housings. In the end, I don't really give a damn how it looks- a gun is a tool- but 1911s are really beautiful to look at. I'd want to keep that.
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| No offense to your suggestions, but I've got a pretty good idea of what's on the market, so my little question was not a what-gun-should-I-buy, but one of curiosity of how you would change what you know exists. If you think you've found the perfect gun, then great. Surely you have imaginations. |
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I'd want light weight, possibly polymer frame. I'd want the highest possible capacity in a "service caliber". I'd want a good trigger pull, that I could easily modify myself to my own liking. And I'd want a consistent trigger pull, same from first shot to last. I'd want absolute ruggedness and durability, and TOTAL reliability is a must in any defensive sidearm. I'd want mechanical simplicity, the fewest parts possible to operate efficiently. I'd want it to be totally safe. That's a given. I'd say do away with external safety levers. Make it "point and shoot". An optimum quality would be ease of maintenance. Wow, I just described the Glock 17 I'm wearing! 
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Polymer frame CZ75 but I can't remember waht they call it––Shadow or Phantom or something like that. Shadow is steel framed, Phantom is poly. I agree the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow/Phantom pair is one of the best series of .45 pistols ever. http://www.czub.cz/index.php?p=32&idp=1&ids=3&idz=208&lang=en |
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Smith & Wesson M&P Awefully close IMO. A more robust safety switch (for those so equipped), an ambi (rather than reversible) mag release, and an extended slide lock and I think it would be there. And a halfway decent trigger. But the PRO series is supposed to address that. |
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I'd want something very similar to a 1911, but with a lightweight alloy or polymer frame, built on modern manufacturing equipment, making it as modular and interchangeable as an AR, no fitting required.
I'd also want to have full ambidextrous controls, including magazine release, and slide release. I'd prefer the slide release to be mounted a little bit further back, as well. Frame would have an integral 1913 rail section, standard length dust cover. Would also want the takedown procedure that was more like the 92FS that can be quickly, and easily field stripped one handed for cleaning. ~Augee |
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At this point, I think something along the lines of CZ P-01 or HK P2000 is my choice. I have no exposure to HK P30, so can't say much, but I like those two, and have both.
However both CZ P-01 and HK P2000 have a few things they can improve. For CZ P-01, I prefer to have polymer frame, which is done in CZ P-07(not on market yet). Also, I wish there is a way to increase the height of the slide. Due to their design, the height of slide is less than other traditional designs. Also, factory DA pull has to be 10lbs or less. Interchangable backstrap would be nice. Ambidexterous magazine release, slide lock is also desired For HK P2000, I need to do some work on shooting hand's thumb placement. The slide lock tends to touch my thumb and get depressed and fails to lock the slide back. This is user error, but at the same time, If it can be addressed then it would be great. |
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I'd want something very similar to a 1911, but with a lightweight alloy or polymer frame, built on modern manufacturing equipment, making it as modular and interchangeable as an AR, no fitting required. I'd also want to have full ambidextrous controls, including magazine release, and slide release. I'd prefer the slide release to be mounted a little bit further back, as well. Frame would have an integral 1913 rail section, standard length dust cover. Would also want the takedown procedure that was more like the 92FS that can be quickly, and easily field stripped one handed for cleaning. ~Augee Try an HK45 yet? It's pretty close to what you described. |
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Smith & Wesson M&P Awefully close IMO. A more robust safety switch (for those so equipped), an ambi (rather than reversible) mag release, and an extended slide lock and I think it would be there. I'm starting to think this too as the M&P is growing on me. |
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I'd want something very similar to a 1911, but with a lightweight alloy or polymer frame, built on modern manufacturing equipment, making it as modular and interchangeable as an AR, no fitting required. I'd also want to have full ambidextrous controls, including magazine release, and slide release. I'd prefer the slide release to be mounted a little bit further back, as well. Frame would have an integral 1913 rail section, standard length dust cover. Would also want the takedown procedure that was more like the 92FS that can be quickly, and easily field stripped one handed for cleaning. ~Augee Try an HK45 yet? It's pretty close to what you described. I jumped on board with the "hk45 is the new 1911"crowd and bought one. It has many of the features Augee describes but the ergonomics arent close to that of a 1911 IMO. I like to have my thumbs on top of the safety and with the hk45 it is uncomfortable to me. I ended up trading it because I couldnt get a comfortable grip on it. I was pretty sad when I finally figured out it wasnt for me, it was a beautiful gun. |
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I'd want something very similar to a 1911, but with a lightweight alloy or polymer frame, built on modern manufacturing equipment, making it as modular and interchangeable as an AR, no fitting required. I'd also want to have full ambidextrous controls, including magazine release, and slide release. I'd prefer the slide release to be mounted a little bit further back, as well. Frame would have an integral 1913 rail section, standard length dust cover. Would also want the takedown procedure that was more like the 92FS that can be quickly, and easily field stripped one handed for cleaning. ~Augee Try an HK45 yet? It's pretty close to what you described. I did, it was actually a very difficult decision for me as to whether to go 1911 or HK45, and I wrestled with it for quite a while, and there are definitely things about the HK45 that I really do like. I eventually decided to go 1911 because it sat in my hand better, I really do like the single stack grip, though it does reduce capacity a bit, though I do have 10 rd magazines. The trigger is also far superior on the 1911, IMHO, than just about any other pistol I've fired. Also, the 1911 is much more customizable, so as a one off, I can really have one that fits me. After that it was entry price, history, and aesthetics that drew me away from the HK45 and to the 1911. I am still thinking about getting an HK45 at some time in the future. ~Augee |
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Or a double-stack 9mm 1911, with a rail. Something that would combine all the best features of the HP and 1911 designs would be pretty neat. Quoted:
A Titanium Browning Hi Power with a 1911 trigger mechanism. Six one, half dozen the other. Point being I think you get where I'm going. a BHP sized gun with 13+1 capacity, light weight and that oh so fine 1911 trigger. An optional rail would be nice. |
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Smith & Wesson M&P I like the M&P, I really do and it did address some of the short comings (IMO) of the Glock design but a Glock beater or the perfect pistol it's not, IMO anyway. I'll stick with the Glocks for now but would love to see Glock incorporate some of the features of the M&P such as the replaceable grip inserts and better sights. |
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I'd want something very similar to a 1911, but with a lightweight alloy or polymer frame, built on modern manufacturing equipment, making it as modular and interchangeable as an AR, no fitting required. I'd also want to have full ambidextrous controls, including magazine release, and slide release. I'd prefer the slide release to be mounted a little bit further back, as well. Frame would have an integral 1913 rail section, standard length dust cover. Would also want the takedown procedure that was more like the 92FS that can be quickly, and easily field stripped one handed for cleaning. ~Augee THIS. Only added item would be capacity: more rounds are always better. If I could get a double stack 9mm with 1911 trigger pull and ergonomics, I'd pay custom 1911 prices. So far, my GP6 is the closest to that. |
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Only added item would be capacity: more rounds are always better. If I could get a double stack 9mm with 1911 trigger pull and ergonomics, I'd pay custom 1911 prices. So far, my GP6 is the closest to that. http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Tactical/Tactical.html |
I think that a G21 with a fully supported barrell would be nice. That along with extended magazine making it a 16 round cap. Threaded barrell for accesseries good sights and triger is a must. A rail that holds a light that does not exist either, very low profile and 100+ lumen. Pricced decentally not like the HK that is closer to my spec but a GLOCK for parts availability.  
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