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10/13/2006 9:09:23 PM EDT
I have a Springfield Ultra compact and recently i have been having jamming issues.  the round keeps getting hung up on the feed ramp.

Could this be a worn out recoil spring issue?


10/13/2006 10:50:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Color my monkey shocked.


Sorry to hear that, but I do what I can to warn you folks.
10/13/2006 10:52:30 PM EDT
[#2]
Now for some constructive advice... You MUST replace that damned recoil spring every other day in those hiccup machines (we're talking ever 1,000 rounds, not 3,000 like full size 1911s). Try that first (ensuring you are using factory weight springs) and see what happens.
10/14/2006 2:18:44 AM EDT
[#3]
word. this is the first time its ever jammed on me and i have over a thousand rounds through it.

ive been looking around and not sure exactly what springs to get either.  help there please?
10/14/2006 9:35:15 AM EDT
[#4]
www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/1ndex.html

And if you have smithing tallent, IM me and I will walk you through cleaning up the mess SA calls a finished product.
10/14/2006 9:42:55 AM EDT
[#5]
 The springy people at springfield told me it haves to be the 24#er or it WILL mess up.
I ASKED! So there.

Is it befor it goes bang or after it goes bang?
Gator

Dirty ramp?
Dirty Mag? Nose diving.
Wolf rounds? Light loads.
10/14/2006 4:04:48 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I have a Springfield Ultra compact and recently i have been having jamming issues.  the round keeps getting hung up on the feed ramp.

Could this be a worn out recoil spring issue?


www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/9/spring.JPG


On Kimbers, they recommend you swap out the recoil spring assembly every 500 rounds. But, that's Kimber.

Realistically, you should be able to get 700-1000 rounds out of the recoil spring before you need to replace it. The shorties really do beat it up a bit.

10/14/2006 4:31:57 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I have a Springfield Ultra compact and recently i have been having jamming issues.  the round keeps getting hung up on the feed ramp.

Could this be a worn out recoil spring issue?


www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/9/spring.JPG
Sounds like a spring problem Mine is made different, it has a supported barrel and a dual recoil spring and no bushing, If I feed it good ammo it works every time.
10/14/2006 5:36:16 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Sounds like a spring problem Mine is made different, it has a supported barrel and a dual recoil spring and no bushing, If I feed it good ammo it works every time.


This is the "new model" recoil system, which replaces the recoil guide & spring and is the current solution to the reliability problem these shorys are born with.
10/14/2006 6:22:26 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Sounds like a spring problem Mine is made different, it has a supported barrel and a dual recoil spring and no bushing, If I feed it good ammo it works every time.


This is the "new model" recoil system, which replaces the recoil guide & spring and is the current solution to the reliability problem these shorys are born with.


My Defender has none of these problems mentioned in this thread nor do most Defenders but I guess that is just dumb luck as we all know (over and over, ad nauseam) short 1911s just don't work.
10/14/2006 6:45:15 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
 The springy people at springfield told me it haves to be the 24#er or it WILL mess up.
I ASKED! So there.

Is it befor it goes bang or after it goes bang?
Gator

Dirty ramp?
Dirty Mag? Nose diving.
Wolf rounds? Light loads.


before and after.

gun is spotless
same with mags
no nose dive
PMC 230g FMJs being used
10/15/2006 7:38:56 AM EDT
[#11]
ok.  ordered a 24lb spring this morning.  Ill update when i get them and if it fixes anything
10/20/2006 7:22:56 PM EDT
[#12]
got the spring today.

new one is about 1/2" longer then the old one.  and seems to have fixed the jamming issue. I will know for sure tomorrow morning.

the wolf spring kit also came with a second small spring.  where does that go?
10/20/2006 7:30:32 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
the wolf spring kit also came with a second small spring.  where does that go?



firing pin
10/21/2006 5:50:31 AM EDT
[#14]
My Officers ACP runs 100%, but I always replace the dual recoil springs at 500 rounds. It's called preventive maintanence.
10/21/2006 9:46:11 AM EDT
[#15]
tested it when i was duck hunting this morning.

still jamming.  seems that the rounds are nose down.  so im guessing new mags are in order?
10/22/2006 2:42:22 PM EDT
[#16]
?
10/23/2006 8:22:17 AM EDT
[#17]
I don't have much experience with shorty 1911's.  But all of the feeding problems I have ever fixed, were due to weak magazine springs.  Not weak recoil springs.  

If the magazine spring is not strong enough, it does not raise the next round up to be chambered, fast enough, so it causes a feeding malfunction.  Especially a nosedive.
10/23/2006 9:43:11 AM EDT
[#18]
With the noise dive, bank on the mag springs on the way out.  If you need to do a quick test to confirm the mag spring problem, pull the springs out of the mag and stretch then out by hand.  Granted that the spring will take the old set in a few loadings, it will at least confirm that the spring is at fault if the pistol runs with the temp tweak.

If/when you rebuild the mags, use Wilson Combat part #266,45C.
The kit will include a type 47 follower, and a stronger spring.  The follower design prevents the noise dive as the spring starts to weaken, and at the same time, this kit adds one additional round to the mag (read mags will be 7 rounder).

When you load the new spring and follower, press the spring about half way down into the mag, then load a small rod through the spring coils to hold them compressed, , and drop the follower in and let the spring loose.  To confirm that the spring is loaded correctly, check the follower at the slide catch section (side view), and look for the end of coil wind tight against the follower.

P.S. Pulling the old springs and follower is just like the installing them.  Press the spring down; load a tool a crossed the winds compressed, then tilt/lift the follower up/out.
10/23/2006 4:53:50 PM EDT
[#19]
Thanks for the advice. ill give that a go.


im guessing changing springs on teh 1911 mags are similar to the M9 i used in the Army
10/24/2006 7:30:43 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Thanks for the advice. ill give that a go.


im guessing changing springs on teh 1911 mags are similar to the M9 i used in the Army


on a 1911 mag it all comes out from the top.
10/24/2006 11:01:32 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
Thanks for the advice. ill give that a go.


im guessing changing springs on teh 1911 mags are similar to the M9 i used in the Army


Only with 47 type mags that you can pull the bottoms,

As stated, on welded bottom mags, you have to compress the mag spring, cross tool hold the spring down, then pull the follower up out the top through the lips, followed by pulling the cross tool and letting the spring fly!!!!
10/24/2006 5:18:37 PM EDT
[#22]
you said get the 266,45C. kit.


I have a 7rd and a 6rd mag.    would i want to use the "19" kit for the 6rd mag?
10/26/2006 6:29:57 AM EDT
[#23]
The kit is officer body specific, and when the old steel type follower is replaced with the new nylon type unit, this alone adds the additional round.

As for the 7 round units, if this is an officer length mag, then the double steel L type follower has been changed to a slim line unit like the one that comes with the kit.  If you mean that you have a standard GI length 7 round mag with the standard steel follower and the mag bottom with the extended upwards-front tab, then you want the Wilson combat kit for that mag, which would take the mag to an 8 rounder.

Bottom line is Wilson offers three rebuild kits,

The first kit rebuilds the officer mags, and adds an additional round capacity to the welded bottoms mags if the original follower is the standard steel L type unit.

The second kit is for the standard frame model welded bottom mags, and take the round count from 7 round to 8 rounds.

The last kit they offer is to for the full-length Wilson 47 mags with the removable bottoms, and this spring has an additional coil over a welded bottom mag rebuild kit.

FYI: regarding the 7 and 8 round welded bottoms mags with the standard steel follower,  
The difference between these two types of mags is that the back L section of the follower is shorter and one spring coil shorter as well.