Posted: 8/4/2009 10:01:58 AM EDT
| Do they cover more states than anyone else?What is the advamtage of this CCw license? |
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Utah Info:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/utah.pdf Arizona Info: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/arizona.pdf Neither is recognized by more states than anyone - I think that distinction goes to Missouri, where the folks who helped write the bill specifically tailored it to ensure maximum reciprocity. Utah is popular because they have good reciprocity, reasonable cost and issue to non-residents. For folks living in states with restrictive (or no) issue policies or poor reciprocity, a Utah license is a good choice either as an addition to another license or as a sole license. In your case a local Arizona license is probably just as easy and has a little better reciprocity. AZ license would give you CO, KS, SC, NH, MI, and FL that you wouldn't get with a Utah non-resident permit. Utah would give you WA and MN that Arizona doesn't. Both states require instruction by certified instructors, it's entirely possible that there are instructors available to you in AZ that would be dual-certified. |
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Utah Info: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/utah.pdf Arizona Info: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/arizona.pdf Neither is recognized by more states than anyone - I think that distinction goes to Missouri, where the folks who helped write the bill specifically tailored it to ensure maximum reciprocity. MI is recognized by 35 other states. Currently leading all others (not including VT - don't know how that one works out). But no non-resident permits MO is recognized by 34 other states. |
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Utah Info: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/utah.pdf Arizona Info: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/arizona.pdf Neither is recognized by more states than anyone - I think that distinction goes to Missouri, where the folks who helped write the bill specifically tailored it to ensure maximum reciprocity. MI is recognized by 35 other states. Currently leading all others (not including VT - don't know how that one works out). But no non-resident permits MO is recognized by 34 other states. I compared the two and you're right. Not sure what's up between MO and WY lol... if anyone from MO needs WY, a PA non-res is easy to get and inexpensive, and would add WY. VT doesn't require or issue permits. VT residents who wish to travel and carry need to get one or more non-res permits to cover where they want to travel to, which leaves out certain destinations like Colorado and Michigan who do not issue or recognize non-res permits. Same problem with residents of IL, WI, and restrictive issue and/or limited reciprocity places like HI, NY, CA, IA, most New England states, etc. This is why Alaska kept their permit process in place even though they eliminated the requirement for permits, and why there was specific language in the Senate reciprocity amendment to apply to them (and even then the two VT senators voted no). |
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Do they cover more states than anyone else?What is the advamtage of this CCw license? Pretty much none at this point. Nevada does not honor AZ's CCW, (supposedly because we don't have a picture on ours). They used to honor Utah's, so lots of AZ folks got the UT permit in addition to their AZ permit as it allowed them to carry in NV. As of 1-July NV stopped honoring the UT permit because UT does not have a live fire requirement. At this point all UT would get you is KS, WI, and WA. Pretty much all of the dual certified instructors in AZ stopped offering the UT class once NV stopped honoring the UT permit. |
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At this point all UT would get you is KS, WI, and WA. KS recognizes AZ but not UT. WI is no carry for anyone other than under the Fed LEO carry law. Five states only recognize resident permits (CO, FL, SC, MI, and NH), and AZ resident permits are recognized by all five. NV is kinda screwy. Any sheriff can issue to non-residents, it would be most ideal if there was a carry-friendly sheriff somewhere in NV that would offer as inexpensive and streamlined as possible permit process for non-residents. Unless/until legislative change can be achieved that would be a good option. |
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Since the OP (26120) is in AZ, I answered from the AZ perspective.
A while back, several places offered a 3-state class where you could get AZ, UT, and FL. Then we changed the law so that AZ honors all other state's permits. After that, another 8-10 states instantly started recognizing ours. So there was no benefit in the FL permit any more. Most folks wanted the UT permit so they could legally CCW in NV. Since NV announced that they were going to stop honoring the UT permit, all of the AZ instructors I personally know stopped teaching the UT class. |
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Hmmm when I took the Utah CCW class we hasd to do a firearm qualification. My wife and son also took the clas a few weeks ago and they also had range time as a requirement. Am I missing something? WW I don't think so. Per the Utah Dept. of Public Safety site: "Weapon Familiarity Certification. Applicants must complete a firearms familiarity course certified by BCI. The course must be completed before you apply for a permit. Please have your instructor complete the certification information on the application." (BCI = Bureau of Criminal Identification) http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFnewapp.html My guess is that the instructors must include range time as part of the syllabus in order to get certified as a Utah CCW instructor. Just my guess. |
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Does anyone have the Utah pic like this so I can see the difference? (I don't know if LA issues to non-residents though). http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/utah.pdf LA does not issue to non-residents: https://web01.dps.louisiana.gov/lspfaqs.nsf/412899fe84d044dd862573130054df2a/d831ae79a245b53d8625747f00751246?OpenDocument Here are the states that do issue non resident permits: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NonResidentPermits.pdf the only state here that really bothers me is New Mexico cause sometimes I drive through it.]
Utah or Florida permit would give you NM. |
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Utah did not require range qualification when I got my CFP in 2003, and they still did not when a coworker got his Utah CFP as a non-resident in 2007.
The "familiarization" in my course consisted of demonstrating that you could load and unload dummy rounds into both a revolver and a semi-auto. |
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The instructor that gave the Utah course (Nov 08) specifically pointed out that it is not a Utah requirement!!!
But He personally required that we load and fire any pistol Left – Right & using Both hands. Then he would sign the form… There were about 70 people in the class, not a single one complained that it was not a Utah requirement. |
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Okay, before everyone gets all technical...let me rephrase my statement.. "when I took my CCW class, which consisted of the Minnesota and Utah applications we went to the range and fired at 2 different distances before bieng given our paperwork to file for CCw's ."
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whats the best combination of permits to get for a person living in NY that travels the eastern seaboard all the way down to Florida and would like the most states possible? thx PS: I have a NY/NYC carry I would recommend PA, FL - and possibly ME, CT and/or NH if you need those specific states. Pennsylvania is very easy, fast and inexpensive and would give you PA, WV, VA, NC, and GA (plus many other non-eastern-seaboard states). If you travel to Maine, the Maine permit is not bad and would give you ME and DE. SC and FL are PITA since they only recognize resident permits reciprocally, and neither recognizes NY. So you'd want to add a Florida permit which would give you FL, as well as DE if you need that one (along with many other non-eastern-seaboard states). SC effectively doesn't issue non-res permits so just a no-go there. PA doesn't give you anything that FL doesn't, except that you'll have a PA permit probably 6 months or more sooner. So if you get both, down the road you could let the PA lapse and just renew the FL. ME and FL do have training requirements, the class I took was good for both. ETA: Connecticut, while technically a "may issue" state, seems to issue to anyone who meets the requirements so are effectively a "shall issue" state, and will issue to non-residents if you need CT. New Hampshire is shall issue as long as you have a permit from your state of residence. NJ, MA, MD, and DC all theoretically may issue permits but are very restrictive, although with an NYC permit you might well meet the criteria for some or all. RI will only issue non res permits if you have a residence or business in the state. |