Posted: 1/22/2010 6:57:48 PM EDT
To not make this long winded, I'll sum it up as much as I can. I bought some TFO's at my local range/shop for my XD9 ($134.39 installed) on Monday. They told me to leave the gun because they had a new pusher coming for XD's this week and they would installl. I went to the range last night with a buddy and shot some of my other pistols and asked about my XD9 while I was there. The guy looked at me and said "I can't believe this isn't done yet. I'll have it finished for you by the time you're done". I get done, XD's not done and they guy is in the back banging on my XD. When he comes out he said he broke the stock front sight and he wouldn't have it finished in time. Then tells me he thinks he needs to take out the firing control assembly for the rear sights to which I said NO! Anyway, they finished it today and called me to pick it up. When I got it there was some damage/scratches to the slide that weren't there when I dropped it off (it was flawless). I know the gun was going to get scratched from use eventually, but do you guys think this is acceptable? To be honest it really pissed me off when I saw it.
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| At first I only saw the first pic, thought shit happens and wondered how much they discounted the sights BUT then saw the other pics, total bullshit. That's not right, I would not have left w/o .............., well don't know what you can do but would have tried not to pay anything, good luck. |
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The wear on the top of the gun is not something I would blame on them. It's rare to get a sight that is too tight in the height dimension and scratches the top of the slide during installation. The rest of the marks are inexcusable, in my opinion.
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Maverick: Yes, all guide rods on XD's stick out like that Zed/AJ: they're not metal deposits, they're scratches. You can actually feel them. especially the gouges by the front sight Toiyabe: not in Richmond but in Roaonke Got it. I had one in Richmond scratch a P7M13 I had, and break a tritium vial in the rear sight installing it. |
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Maverick: Yes, all guide rods on XD's stick out like that Zed/AJ: they're not metal deposits, they're scratches. You can actually feel them. especially the gouges by the front sight Toiyabe: not in Richmond but in Roaonke Got it. I had one in Richmond scratch a P7M13 I had, and break a tritium vial in the rear sight installing it. What was the end result? Did you get them to fix it or anything to comp the damage? |
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Maverick: Yes, all guide rods on XD's stick out like that Zed/AJ: they're not metal deposits, they're scratches. You can actually feel the the gouges by the front sight Toiyabe: not in Richmond but in Roaonke Then they suck at gunsmithing...  Yea, I see that now. Would've been nice to have known prior |
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Total bullshit. I never understood why people insist on using their local dimwit gunsmith hacks when people like Bruce Gray, etc. exist?
I would think you are rightously screwed here, man. Your shitty smith is going to shrug and say tough-titty, it's a tool, sorry. I see a thread-a-day like this on the various sites I am on, and 9 times out of 10 that's what happens. |
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Try to clean it with CLP first to see if it is metal deposited from the pusher, and not actual scratches. If they are scratches....yeah. Thats fucked up. +1 I will say back in the day when I worked at a gun shop we had our local gun smith install a set of Trijicon night sights on a XD 45 for a customer. He does it for similar semi autos all the time...anyway he brought the gun back to us and said XDs sights are really in there and he did not feel comfortable banging on it with a punch and he did not want to spend the extra cash for a XD sight pusher. So we sent the slide in to Springfield |
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I personally would go back and ask to talk to the owner/manager. Show they the damage done and see what they are willing to do. if they ask what do u want, ask for either some free range time and ammo since it seems to be your regular place, or just $$$.If they refuse to do anything, tell them that you have no problems than warning other patrons and customers about their work. Normally gun places are not to fond of people saying they do shitty work when you have pics to prove it.
But I think if you go in and say that you understand but there is still damage, and that if nothing else just some free range time or something I think you will be partly compensated. But I would never take a firearm to them again. Thats really uncalled for to such a nice pistol my .02 cents |
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XD's are a bitch to put night sights on. This is a common problem. I suggest you go compare balls with them and see how much free shit you can get. +1 While yours is a particularly bad case, mine had some light marks around the sights when I got it back. If you knew the amount of violence it generally takes to swap out XD sights, you'd expect a little marring, but you've got some pretty extreme damage even for an XD install. My guess is that they didn't use brass punches and made the top marks, and didn't properly protect it from the vise for the side marks. And fwiw, you'll get more wear on it it in a year's time anyway, especially if you carry it. It would bother me to the point I might not use them again, but it's not something I would make too much of a fuss over. Just see what they say and take it at that. |
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Maverick: Yes, all guide rods on XD's stick out like that Zed/AJ: they're not metal deposits, they're scratches. You can actually feel them. especially the gouges by the front sight Toiyabe: not in Richmond but in Roaonke Got it. I had one in Richmond scratch a P7M13 I had, and break a tritium vial in the rear sight installing it. What was the end result? Did you get them to fix it or anything to comp the damage? Sights became free, installation was free, and they apologized. |
I would think you should get your money back on the sights, then learn to enjoy the scratches. 
I took a Import G19 with the steel staked front sight into my local range/gun store to install some TFO's They had a bitch of a time getting that front sight off, in the end he had to take it in the back room and pretty much destroy the sight with a punch and hammer.... 
When it was all said and done, not even a scratch on the sights. 
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Maverick: Yes, all guide rods on XD's stick out like that Zed/AJ: they're not metal deposits, they're scratches. You can actually feel the the gouges by the front sight Toiyabe: not in Richmond but in Roaonke Then they suck at gunsmithing... sounds like the usual shop with no gunsmith that thinks they can work on guns. i'd be pissed enough at that to the point of asking them to refinish the slide. |
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The wear on the top of the gun is not something I would blame on them. It's rare to get a sight that is too tight in the height dimension and scratches the top of the slide during installation. The rest of the marks are inexcusable, in my opinion. Did the guide rod always stick out like that? They all stick out like that. I believe in the original design outline (or whatever) it said that is a feature to "allow the gun to fire when it is pressed into someone's back". Wacky Croatians 
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The wear on the top of the gun is not something I would blame on them. It's rare to get a sight that is too tight in the height dimension and scratches the top of the slide during installation. The rest of the marks are inexcusable, in my opinion. Did the guide rod always stick out like that? They all stick out like that. I believe in the original design outline (or whatever) it said that is a feature to "allow the gun to fire when it is pressed into someone's back". Wacky Croatians  Now that you referenced that joke, I remember that "feature".
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It's a TOOL........get over it.  Yea I get that, but so is a car or a motorcycle. If a shop scratched/damaged them installing an exhaust or aftermarket part, would you not be upset? It's their job and it should be done correctly. If they can't do it right, they shouldn't offer the service. I could have done it myself with a hammer and punch and got a better price on the sights online if I would've known prior. And you're telling me that if they did it to one of your HK's, you would be ok with it since its a TOOL?
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Mine does NOT stick out like that. Mine is flush fit.....it actually has a recess for the guide rod.
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The wear on the top of the gun is not something I would blame on them. It's rare to get a sight that is too tight in the height dimension and scratches the top of the slide during installation. The rest of the marks are inexcusable, in my opinion. Did the guide rod always stick out like that? They all stick out like that. I believe in the original design outline (or whatever) it said that is a feature to "allow the gun to fire when it is pressed into someone's back". Wacky Croatians |
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Mine does NOT stick out like that. Mine is flush fit.....it actually has a recess for the guide rod.
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The wear on the top of the gun is not something I would blame on them. It's rare to get a sight that is too tight in the height dimension and scratches the top of the slide during installation. The rest of the marks are inexcusable, in my opinion. Did the guide rod always stick out like that? They all stick out like that. I believe in the original design outline (or whatever) it said that is a feature to "allow the gun to fire when it is pressed into someone's back". Wacky Croatians Do you have th XD or the XDm? The XDm is recessed like you mentioned |
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Mine does NOT stick out like that. Mine is flush fit.....it actually has a recess for the guide rod.
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The wear on the top of the gun is not something I would blame on them. It's rare to get a sight that is too tight in the height dimension and scratches the top of the slide during installation. The rest of the marks are inexcusable, in my opinion. Did the guide rod always stick out like that? They all stick out like that. I believe in the original design outline (or whatever) it said that is a feature to "allow the gun to fire when it is pressed into someone's back". Wacky Croatians Do you have th XD or the XDm? The XDm is recessed like you mentioned 5" XDs don't have that either. |
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Unexcusable.
I can't count the number of times I've seen a post like this. There was one case in the Sig board where a P226 slide was ruined from the smith cranking the vice so hard it compressed the slide and now won't run on the frame. A sight install requires the proper tool; sight pusher appropriate for the model. The vice/punch/beat the shit out of it method is unacceptable for a professional smith. I'm an amatuer, bought a pusher tool, and have pushed my own sights without leaving a mark. I completely removed and replace a set on a P226. Slide is perfect. I would be pissed! |
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Unexcusable. I can't count the number of times I've seen a post like this. There was one case in the Sig board where a P226 slide was ruined from the smith cranking the vice so hard it compressed the slide and now won't run on the frame. A sight install requires the proper tool; sight pusher appropriate for the model. The vice/punch/beat the shit out of it method is unacceptable for a professional smith. I'm an amatuer, bought a pusher tool, and have pushed my own sights without leaving a mark. I completely removed and replace a set on a P226. Slide is perfect. I would be pissed! +1 I would demand a refund, this is total bullshit! 
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