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1/15/2026 10:23:12 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm seriously considering a K 17. I don't have a rimfire revolver in my menagerie.
1/16/2026 6:21:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Can I post about the dedicated .22 upper for the AR even though this is the Rimfire pistols section?
TBD
1/24/2026 7:59:03 PM EDT
[#3]
Another 22/45 Lite. Then I'll sell my mini mamba upper. Only reason I want another 22/45 Lite instead is because I can get a co-witness. Can't get that with the mamba since the rail is part of the upper
1/24/2026 10:13:40 PM EDT
[#4]
I have a box of Eley to try in a Browning Buckmark, the Ruger Mk 2 22/45 my brother worked on, and a High Standard Sport King.  The most accurate of the 3 will be kept, the rest sold on.

What I will NOT be buying is a 4" Charter Arms Target Pathfinder.  
I sell firearms produced by the finest child labor in the world, be it Filipino, Muslim, Mormon, Arizonan, or Texan.
1/24/2026 10:48:16 PM EDT
[#5]
We only have one 22lr handgun...yes, I know prepare the firing squad...and it gets worse - I don't own any 22lr firearms. This is my wifes' pistol.


Having fired it, it is cheap fun, and I might buy myself one this year. Might even get one of those cheap Lyman cans to go with it.
1/24/2026 11:34:33 PM EDT
[#6]
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Originally Posted By armoredman:  We only have one 22lr handgun...yes, I know prepare the firing squad...and it gets worse - I don't own any 22lr firearms. This is my wifes' pistol.
https://i.imgur.com/pRVSzFu.jpg

Having fired it, it is cheap fun, and I might buy myself one this year. Might even get one of those cheap Lyman cans to go with it.
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Have one on the way for a customer.  You need a .22 LR upper.  On a Trash Panda Sabre lower, crazy light.
I sell firearms produced by the finest child labor in the world, be it Filipino, Muslim, Mormon, Arizonan, or Texan.
1/30/2026 10:07:12 PM EDT
[#7]
Got a Smith and Wesson 22X today.  This thing feels incredible.  Like, my Sig 322 is awesome, right (?)...but this is on a whole other level!!!!






"Such predicaments! I must forge ahead!"
1/30/2026 11:49:59 PM EDT
[#8]
Beretta's New 22LR B-22 Jaguar Rimfire Competition Pistol | SHOT Show 2026
Tom Sawyer.

"If The Rules brought us to this, what use are they?"
2/1/2026 7:45:30 PM EDT
[#9]
I have a couple standard .22 semi-autos but I am really considering getting a DL-44, Star Wars -Han Solo pistol. In G.D., someone made a post talking about them and now I have the bug.
Be the change you want in this world.
2/12/2026 4:25:57 AM EDT
[#10]
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Originally Posted By BoomBoom:
Probably a Ruger Single Six or a S&W 617. I am liking .22 revolvers now.
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I've liked them ever since I bought my first one in 1973.

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2/12/2026 4:55:51 AM EDT
[#11]
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:
Got a Smith and Wesson 22X today.  This thing feels incredible.  Like, my Sig 322 is awesome, right (?)...but this is on a whole other level!!!!





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I've been eyeing these, how well does it run?
2/12/2026 8:02:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:


I've been eyeing these, how well does it run?
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I took the Tarass tx22 and S&W out and shot them side by side.
Did not test accuracy.
But I ran a bunch of different ammo threw both shooting at steel plates.
I experienced many malfunctions with the X22 and then the C clip holding the front site fell into the action temporarily locking it up.
The Tarass ate everything.
No attempt was made to clean or lube either but just what was shipped and they both were wet.
Now the next time may be different and the accuracy testing may yield results.
But those were my first time out of the box experiments.
2/12/2026 8:25:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GLShooter:
I'm seriously considering a K 17. I don't have a rimfire revolver in my menagerie.
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Find A nice one from the 50's or early 60's. The 18 is also nice but are really hard to find VS the K17. Either people won't let them go or if they die, their family keeps it.
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.

I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
2/13/2026 8:50:48 PM EDT
[#14]
Ruger MK 4 22/45 Tactical from Palmetto!
I should buy stock in PSA.
They get a lot of my money!
2/14/2026 2:37:19 PM EDT
[#15]
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:


I've been eyeing these, how well does it run?
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Originally Posted By desertmoon:
Got a Smith and Wesson 22X today.  This thing feels incredible.  Like, my Sig 322 is awesome, right (?)...but this is on a whole other level!!!!





https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23042/22X_JPEG_-_str-3704775.jpg


I've been eyeing these, how well does it run?
@spydercomonkey:


Sadly, I just haven't had a chance to take it out yet.  I will say that if you get one, strip it down and spray out all of the preservative goo that it is filled with.  I used WD-40 Dry Teflon spray as it dissolved the goo but then leaves Teflon behind once the carrier liquid evaporates.  Seems to as well built as the SIG 322 and has a very generous feed ramp so it should be very reliable.  We shall see.
"Such predicaments! I must forge ahead!"
2/15/2026 10:06:07 AM EDT
[#16]
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:
@spydercomonkey:


Sadly, I just haven't had a chance to take it out yet.  I will say that if you get one, strip it down and spray out all of the preservative goo that it is filled with.  I used WD-40 Dry Teflon spray as it dissolved the goo but then leaves Teflon behind once the carrier liquid evaporates.  Seems to as well built as the SIG 322 and has a very generous feed ramp so it should be very reliable.  We shall see.
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:
Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Originally Posted By desertmoon:
Got a Smith and Wesson 22X today.  This thing feels incredible.  Like, my Sig 322 is awesome, right (?)...but this is on a whole other level!!!!





https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23042/22X_JPEG_-_str-3704775.jpg


I've been eyeing these, how well does it run?
@spydercomonkey:


Sadly, I just haven't had a chance to take it out yet.  I will say that if you get one, strip it down and spray out all of the preservative goo that it is filled with.  I used WD-40 Dry Teflon spray as it dissolved the goo but then leaves Teflon behind once the carrier liquid evaporates.  Seems to as well built as the SIG 322 and has a very generous feed ramp so it should be very reliable.  We shall see.


Nice, look forward to your report.

I use Hornady One Shot for a similar effect, solvent + dry lube + rust inhibitor.
2/15/2026 7:47:29 PM EDT
[#17]
I couldn't resist a threaded Bobcat with the latest rebate. My only decision now will be whether or not get the $100 cash or the $200 Beretta Bucks.
BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles.

People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
2/15/2026 7:55:27 PM EDT
[#18]
I want more than ten in the gun, and I don't want a downsized combat pistol. Taurus has a decent option I might look into. People seem to like the TX22 Competition.
The “Three Stupid” Rule: “Do not go to stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things”

Religion is a handy device for keeping the philosophically deficient in line.
2/15/2026 7:57:57 PM EDT
[#19]
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:
I have all of the classics I want....thanks to the P322, I now have an interest in polymer framed .22 pistols for some odd ass reason.  I have zero love for polymer striker fired wonder guns.  It's not that I hate them...they just never EVER grown on me.  

Anyhoo, Smith and Wesson got rid of ( much to my chagrin ) the full sized M&P .22 and now have a new model called the 22X.  I think they want it to look like the 5.7 and their .22 Magnum.

My PWS BDE .22 can looks great on my P322.  I am thinking the Smith 22X with a SilencerCo. Sparrow might be fun.

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How reliable is your 322?
The “Three Stupid” Rule: “Do not go to stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things”

Religion is a handy device for keeping the philosophically deficient in line.
2/15/2026 8:15:18 PM EDT
[#20]
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:

How reliable is your 322?
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Basically flawless and very accurate.
Well balanced too.
TBD
2/16/2026 11:12:55 AM EDT
[#21]
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
I want more than ten in the gun, and I don't want a downsized combat pistol. Taurus has a decent option I might look into. People seem to like the TX22 Competition.
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Might be worth waiting for the new Beretta B22 Jaguar to come out. Basically a full size targer pistol ala Ruger, but with 15rd mags.

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/b22-jaguar-tac-metal-FA0241

Alternatively, my Glock 44 has been phenomenally reliable, and the Promag 18rd mags work beautifully when loaded to 15rd (seems to be the only good product Promag makes.) Only downside is no RDS option.

I've looked at the TX22 competition and it looks like a solid option as well.
2/17/2026 7:35:18 PM EDT
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Beretta 20x Bobcat $229 after $100 rebate is a good deal


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2/20/2026 12:11:27 AM EDT
[#23]
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Beretta 20x Bobcat $229 after $100 rebate is a good deal


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Yeah that's the one that got me. Main decision I have now is whether to take the $100 or the 200 Beretta Bucks. I almost always go cash but now I'm thinking about taking the Beretta money and buying a pile of mags. I need to do some more looking at mags. I might be able to live with flush 7rd Mecgars for $12-$15 vs the $25 I'm seeing the out of stock Beretta mags listed at.
BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles.

People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
2/22/2026 9:50:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:

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Fantastic.  The biggest deal with 322s was leading.  I have had that issue in many 22s.  My remedy is to clean the ever loving shit out of the barrel with a 6mm bore brush with a heavy solvent and/or JB Bore Paste before I take it to the range.  I did this on my 322 and on my Dad's 322 and have had zero leading issues.  Clean that barrel like it owes you money.  My Dad took his out and ran like 300 rounds on his first outing and when I scoped the bore it looked GREAT!  

When the gun starts getting filthy, sometimes, depending on the ammo, it might not lock back on the last round but a good cleaning solves that.

I realllly like the 322.  It is NO Ruger Mark II or a Colt Woodsman but it is light, accurate and reliable.


"Such predicaments! I must forge ahead!"
2/22/2026 10:22:41 PM EDT
[#25]
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Originally Posted By rgb03:
Beretta 20x Bobcat $229 after $100 rebate is a good deal


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If I run across that deal it's going to have to come home with me.
Malcolm X was right about liberals.
2/23/2026 5:58:19 PM EDT
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I recently chose BerBucks, it was much quicker return than several previous cash rebates and worked fine online, just follow directions to ensure you don't pay with a different form. I bought stacks of mags during their sales, the 21a Bobcat mags have been $12-14 site and taxed several times past year.  It's nice to be able to run through 100+ rounds without reloading.

Somehow this did not quote the post I was replying to...

I like the CP33 for a couple reasons, 50rd mags are nice. I had trouble getting it running well after some mods - over-torqued the frame screws, simple fix. It's fun after shooting other items, like 21a Bobcats or SingleSix (loading gate makes for slower pace of rounds downrange). Colt KC 6" w/ SpeedBeez speedloader kit has some things I like, but grip/ frame too short for hand esp. w/ the 6" barrel.

Volquartson or 617 next, maybe a G44, best guess.

Have access to Ruger Charger, 10/22 & mkii slabside, beretta 92/22 & Bobcat 21a, the aforementioned Colt, Ruger Sing6 and CP33.

I've been into revolvers lately because I tend to buy at least 15 mags per pistol and modify sights, triggers...revolvers keep my costs down. I started buying with the idea to favor firearms that accepted mags first, and buy a lot of mags, then switch to revolvers and 10-rd max firearms after I gathered the majority of the firearms I wanted that were more likely to be restricted. I live in VA...for now.
2/27/2026 7:39:19 AM EDT
[#27]
Plan on picking up a Heritage RR 6.5" today.
2/27/2026 8:18:13 AM EDT
[#28]
Nothing new turns my crank but I need to start pulling out .22's I haven't shot in years. I honestly don't know how I ended up with so many. Maybe it was because at one point many were pretty cheap and outside of certain makes and models [S&W 18 and Colt Diamondback] easy to find much of the time. And they lasted a long time due to the fact that many were full sized centerfires made in .22 caliber.
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.

I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
2/27/2026 8:51:33 AM EDT
[#29]
The smith mountain gun looks good. Would buy at a lower price.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Be the hammer, not the nail.
2/27/2026 11:54:38 AM EDT
[#30]
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Got it.
2/27/2026 12:54:39 PM EDT
[#31]
I probably have more than I really need: 2 Ruger Single Sixes, Mk2-4's, High Standards (3 revolvers and 3 semis), Colt King Cobra, S&W Model 17, S&W Escort, S&W 41,  Colt Officer Target Model,  Benelli MP95, SIG Mosquito, Walther PPK,  Beretta  Model 70 , 76, and Bobcat, a First Gen  Colt SAA Bisley, 2 Diamondback Sidekicks, Iver Johnson Topbreak, H&R Topbreak, 3 Heritage single actions, Std Mfg Jackhammer, Taurus PT22, Taurus 942. Heck,  I even have a Jennings J22 and a Davis D22.

I'd like to eventually have a threaded Walther TPH but that's only if one pops up at the right price.
2/27/2026 12:56:44 PM EDT
[#32]
Shot an old High Standard against a Mk 2 22/45 HB and a cheap Buckmark Wednesday.  None came out on top - the HS is restricted to standard velocity ammo & only has one good mag, the Browning was spitting burning powder on my left hand, so I may keep the Ruger, and get my spare upper/barrel threaded.
I sell firearms produced by the finest child labor in the world, be it Filipino, Muslim, Mormon, Arizonan, or Texan.
2/27/2026 12:57:39 PM EDT
[#33]
This 31 year old BNIB Ruger MarkII MK-512GC ended up being my "next" rimfire...



I will probably pick one of these up once they hit the distributors...

Buck Mark Black Label 250 RMSC

And then its just a waiting game for Ruger to release a high capacity 22/45 and then I think I will be done... maybe lol
On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Richard Jeni
2/28/2026 10:47:09 AM EDT
[#34]
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Originally Posted By rgb03:
Beretta 20x Bobcat $229 after $100 rebate is a good deal


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How the heck you get that deal?
The bug out model I can’t find for less than $500
I’d jump at $329 if I could find it
have gun will travel

Well you seen much combat? ......... I've seen a little on TV.

We are jolly green giants, walking the Earth with guns.

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now GOA and ASA member!!!!!
2/28/2026 9:14:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:


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Okay!  I took the M&W 22X out today and ran about 100 rounds through it.


Here is the good AND the bad.

The good:

Very reliable WITHOUT a suppressor.  The suppressor height sights make it a slight challenge to shoot well without a can but it just takes a bit of concentration and technique.  Definitely as accurate as my Sig 322 which, neither of these gun, mind you, are as good as Colt Woodsman or a Ruger Mk II BUT they are definitely more than adequate for fun plinking.  The gun has a very positive action and a great trigger.  Controls are a bit flat and a tiny bit difficult to manipulate but not impossible or super difficult.

The safety disconnects the trigger completely which is a bit odd but no biggie.  

The bad.  (and this appears to be common with the production guns and Smith and Wesson will tell you, like they always do, that there is no problem.  It's just your imagination.)

The minute you toss a can on this thing the gun locks open with nearly every shot.  For me (this does vary from gun to gun) it did not matter if I was using high velocity (Mini Mag round nose) or standard velocity (CCI Standards, lead round nose) the gun locked open frequently but unpredictably "consistently".  In other words, it did not get better or worse over time.

Note the suppressors had no effect on accuracy for me.  I used the PWS B.D.E. .22 and the Rugged Oculus in the full (non "K") volume configuration.  Both were SUPER DUPER quiet on the 22X.  Conversely, my P322 has ZERO issues with a can on it.


My opinion: for the moment, until Smith addresses the lock open problem (which they will NOT) this gun in best in the standard layout.  It is a great feeling GREAT shooting gun WITHOUT A CAN.  Once you add a can, light or heavy, the gun will cease to function correctly.  Will all of them do this?  I don't know.  All the cherry picked YouTuber guns did not seem to have this issue...so it CAN be mitigated.  I am not sure what the problem is.  It does NOT seem to be a weak lock spring as I was trying to hold the gun shut and the gun would still frequently lock open and even locked on empty.

I noticed that the mags realllly flop around in the mag well.  I have a feeling that the magazine is activating the lock while bouncing around in the frame under recoil.  That is a GUESS and ONLY a guess.
"Such predicaments! I must forge ahead!"
3/1/2026 12:28:06 AM EDT
[#36]
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How the heck you get that deal?
The bug out model I can’t find for less than $500
I’d jump at $329 if I could find it
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Beretta 20x Bobcat $229 after $100 rebate is a good deal


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How the heck you get that deal?
The bug out model I can’t find for less than $500
I’d jump at $329 if I could find it

I got mine at KyGunCo. Pretty sure PSA had them at the same price in the last day or so. Now that the rebates are out there nothing is staying in stock long.
BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles.

People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
3/1/2026 8:21:43 PM EDT
[#37]
Took the Heritage RR out in the woods today with a pocket full of CCI .22 shorts.  710fps is nice and quiet outta this piece!
3/4/2026 8:51:51 PM EDT
[#38]
I am 22lr poor, but have been searching high and low for a Ruger Single Ten in Stainless Steel with a 4 5/8” barrel. I’ve got a original KNR-4 that I would like match to.
3/4/2026 9:05:42 PM EDT
[#39]
I recently bought this so I think I'm done for awhile.

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Nobody is coming. It's up to you.
3/6/2026 12:16:42 AM EDT
[#40]
S&W revolver
3/9/2026 11:20:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Either a charger with folding brace or a S&W Ar22 with brace.  I looked at a threaded barrel for my kimber 22, may as well buy a gun.
" Don't cry, nobody shoots Glocks anymore."

"But the new Admin. is a Master in IDPA"
"MASTER in IDPA..."

"is like C Class in IPSC!"
3/10/2026 6:52:49 AM EDT
[#42]
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Originally Posted By cb4017:
I recently bought this so I think I'm done for awhile.

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Or maybe not. Mine has been sent back twice for repair.
Hopefully you have better success.
TBD
3/10/2026 8:26:01 AM EDT
[#43]
i bought the same king cobra last year. I was a little worried after hearing some of them had to go back to the factory. i've got close to 1,000 rounds through mine. i have nothing but good things to say about it except mine has the rubber grips i need to change out. its got a great trigger for a 22 revolver.
3/10/2026 8:53:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By m0833937:
i bought the same king cobra last year. I was a little worried after hearing some of them had to go back to the factory. i've got close to 1,000 rounds through mine. i have nothing but good things to say about it except mine has the rubber grips i need to change out. its got a great trigger for a 22 revolver.
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I will post the grips I purchased for the King Cobra. It is neat looking blue/grey color.
TBD
3/10/2026 9:48:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By m0833937:
i bought the same king cobra last year. I was a little worried after hearing some of them had to go back to the factory. i've got close to 1,000 rounds through mine. i have nothing but good things to say about it except mine has the rubber grips i need to change out. its got a great trigger for a 22 revolver.
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Mine's been great so far.  

It had the rubber grips when I got it.  

For grips, check out the Altamont store on Gun Broker.  They sell over runs and blems there.  I got these for $36.  They include the locating pin.
Nobody is coming. It's up to you.
3/10/2026 10:10:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cb4017:


Mine's been great so far.  

It had the rubber grips when I got it.  

For grips, check out the Altamont store on Gun Broker.  They sell over runs and blems there.  I got these for $36.  They include the locating pin.
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Well that's nice. I have the same gun and did the same thing but Altamont didn't use to supply the locating pin and that friggin pin was a PITA to find back when I was looking for one.


On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Richard Jeni
3/10/2026 10:58:33 AM EDT
[#47]
Received the PPKS.. should be able to test fire it next weekend

3/10/2026 11:21:47 AM EDT
[#48]
My latest is a CZ 75 Kadet pistol.   It’s at my FFL but I have to wait for the add to my license.

It came with a RMR mount that is in the rear sight dovetail.   I ordered a Holosun 507c red dot to try on it.  I have never had a red dot on a pistol.   I will eventually buy the correct replacement rear sight.  I am hoping this thing runs nicely.

I do have a Kadet top end on my P07 but it’s a completely different animal.
The only hyphenated names I like are cartridge names......30-06, 30-40, 38-55 etc.
3/10/2026 11:26:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By airgunner:
Well that's nice. I have the same gun and did the same thing but Altamont didn't use to supply the locating pin and that friggin pin was a PITA to find back when I was looking for one.

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Originally Posted By cb4017:


Mine's been great so far.  

It had the rubber grips when I got it.  

For grips, check out the Altamont store on Gun Broker.  They sell over runs and blems there.  I got these for $36.  They include the locating pin.
Well that's nice. I have the same gun and did the same thing but Altamont didn't use to supply the locating pin and that friggin pin was a PITA to find back when I was looking for one.

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Just one thing. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do something so the trigger doesn't look like it belongs on a RG [ROHM] quality revolver. Machine it a bit, case harden color the surface, SOMETHING, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We know it's MIM, it just doesn't need to LOOK like MIM so much.
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.

I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
3/10/2026 12:41:15 PM EDT
[#50]
I have a soft spot for Hi-Standard Sentinels.
I would like to add a 6" to my firearm collection.
There's a local gun show this weekend. I should take a look.
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