[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why all the Taurus hate? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/26/2010 8:16:53 AM EDT
| Is this from personal experience or just hearsay? I shot my buddys and it seemed like a nice pistol for the price. I was just wondering why everyone talks bad about them. |
| I think it is a combination of poor quality control a few years ago and Chevy - Ford hate. Chevy guys hate Fords and Ford guys hate Chevys. There might not be a good reason, but you will never change their minds. I have a SS PT1911 that operates flawlelessly. I use good quality ammo in it and keep it clean. |
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I used to sell Taurus. They as a company just suck. Its kind of like buying a loaded Yugo because you can get one with leather seats, cruise, power windows etc for the same price as a stripped down Honda Accord. Just go to a gunshop and pick one up. Shake it around, cycle the slide, cock the hammer and just look at it. I mean come on, they suck. |
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Recent threads here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1061243&light=taurus http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1061249&light=taurus FTR, no issues with mine yet, but I haven't shot it near as much as my other 1911s –– didn't "need" it, just bought it 'cause it was SS, had a rail, and I got a good deal on it LNIB.  |
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Quoted: This, with as many people who are satisfied with them you will find as many who are not i have a pt111 it was my first firearm ever im still trying to like it but it has its issues.Quoted: Is this from personal experience or just hearsay? I shot my buddys and it seemed like a nice pistol for the price. I was just wondering why everyone talks bad about them. Personal experience, they suck. One notable exception is the 1911. |
| I have a 1911 and it works fine for me. I know someone else that has one and it's so loose it's not even funny. The barrel bushing has about 30 thousandths play in it. The slide is somewhat oversized compared to other 1911's I have measured. Fixable, yes but a gun shouldn't be that sloppy right out of the box. That being said, his gun never skipped a beat. I was hoping he would want to sell it for a song but no such luck. |
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Sold Taurus at the shop. Problems with new pistols. Customer service is all but non existant. We sent a revolver back six (6) times. Every time it came back, it had the same problem, cylinder would bind when the trigger was pulled. Detailed letters, e-mails were sent.
The shop owner just kept it. |
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I just took my Taurus 1911, which I got in a trade, out to the range the other day. I shot 200+ rounds through it, and had maybe 2-3 magazines where I didn't experience at least one FTE. Also got several failure to feeds.
Magazines were CMC Powermags, Wilson, Tuarus, Kimber and USGI. I tried tuning the extractor. No luck. I replaced the weak-ass recoil spring. No luck. Three types of ammo. Constant failures. Add in to that the barrel bushing is loose, the frame has machining marks, the barrel link is sloppy loose and the hole is chipped up and not really round, and the pistol didn't want to come apart after I shot a few mags through it. It's going back to Taurus this week. |
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Quoted: I used to sell Taurus. They as a company just suck. Its kind of like buying a loaded Yugo because you can get one with leather seats, cruise, power windows etc for the same price as a stripped down Honda Accord. Just go to a gunshop and pick one up. Shake it around, cycle the slide, cock the hammer and just look at it. I mean come on, they suck. I will agree that as a company their customer service sucks. However, I happen to own a PT1911 that I bought with the sole intention of breaking. I have put well over 5,000 rounds of the dirtiest nastiest reloads I could come up with thru it, and besides the one time I way over greased it, the thing runs like a top. I intentionally loaded the dirtiest powders I could find thinking they could choke it. I loaded a batch of 185gr LSWC that i didn't expand the brass before seating the bullets, and screwed up half of them by mistake.....a batch of 1000. My springfield and colt both choked on them, the taurus eats them like candy. I have thrown it in the sand, mud, dirt, asphalt, concrete, just about any surface I could find in hopes of breaking it. I put 1k rounds through it in under an hour one day, I was just shooting it as fast as I could, and my buddy was just loading mags as fast as he could (it helps when you have 40+ mags. The gun was so hot could have lit a cig off the barrel if any of us smoked. It was so dirty you could here the metal dragging as the slide cycled. It kept going. I took it home and brought it out the next day and ran another 600 rds thru it without cleaning it in between. It kept running. Hell, I probably haven't cleaned it in the last 500 rds. It's not sloppy, it's not a loose rattle trap, and it is amazingly accurate. It shoots true and reliably. I wanted to prove what a piece of crap it was. The gun just keeps on going. It looks like crap, the finish is half gone, the edges are worn and dinged. The gun will not quit. Of all my 1911's, if I had to grab one and run out the door and count on it to save my life.....I would grab that ugly ass Taurus. Not my fullsize springer or my LW Champion operator. Not my colt or my Kimber....but my Taurus. The only thing I have ever done to it is the day I got it, I swapped the ambi safety for a kings safety as I carry IWB and ambi safeties and me don't get along, I added a Kimber speed chute/MSH, and I basically have covered the thing in grip tape. Maybe their are some lemons out their, but that can be said of all manufactures. And it maybe true that if and when you have a problem, their customer service isn't worth a nickel, (I couldn't say, I have never had a problem) and if that is true, then that is something to strongly consider when considering purchasing one. But to say they are crap like that is common knowledge is wrong.  It's not the prettiest 1911 in my collection nor is it the nicest, but it is the one that I know without a shadow of a doubt will preform when I need it to. |
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... It's going back to Taurus this week. Good luck with that. Their CS has a much worse reputation than their guns. Makes me very thankful I've yet to have an issue with one... Well, the good news is when I called them and told them about the issues, they sent me a pre-paid shipping label. The CS rep actually asked a few smart questions, what magazines I was using, ammo type, if I had cleaned and lubed it, if the FTE caused stovepipes or not, etc. I was expecting a bit of a battle, which didn't occur. |
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... It's going back to Taurus this week. Good luck with that. Their CS has a much worse reputation than their guns. Makes me very thankful I've yet to have an issue with one... Well, the good news is when I called them and told them about the issues, they sent me a pre-paid shipping label. The CS rep actually asked a few smart questions, what magazines I was using, ammo type, if I had cleaned and lubed it, if the FTE caused stovepipes or not, etc. I was expecting a bit of a battle, which didn't occur. I'm not sure that those qualify as 'smart questions' so much as common sense 1911 questions. I am sure that someone who knows 1911's has written a script for them just like someone who knows computers writes a script for people at dell or microsoft. Hopefully they actually fix it and get it back to you in a reasonable amount of time. Keep us posted because a good CS experience from them would be new. |
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I used to sell Taurus. They as a company just suck. Its kind of like buying a loaded Yugo because you can get one with leather seats, cruise, power windows etc for the same price as a stripped down Honda Accord.
Just go to a gunshop and pick one up. Shake it around, cycle the slide, cock the hammer and just look at it. I mean come on, they suck. I will agree that as a company their customer service sucks. However, I happen to own a PT1911 that I bought with the sole intention of breaking. I have put well over 5,000 rounds of the dirtiest nastiest reloads I could come up with thru it, and besides the one time I way over greased it, the thing runs like a top. I intentionally loaded the dirtiest powders I could find thinking they could choke it. I loaded a batch of 185gr LSWC that i didn't expand the brass before seating the bullets, and screwed up half of them by mistake.....a batch of 1000. My springfield and colt both choked on them, the taurus eats them like candy. I have thrown it in the sand, mud, dirt, asphalt, concrete, just about any surface I could find in hopes of breaking it. I put 1k rounds through it in under an hour one day, I was just shooting it as fast as I could, and my buddy was just loading mags as fast as he could (it helps when you have 40+ mags. The gun was so hot could have lit a cig off the barrel if any of us smoked. It was so dirty you could here the metal dragging as the slide cycled. It kept going. I took it home and brought it out the next day and ran another 600 rds thru it without cleaning it in between. It kept running. Hell, I probably haven't cleaned it in the last 500 rds. It's not sloppy, it's not a loose rattle trap, and it is amazingly accurate. It shoots true and reliably. I wanted to prove what a piece of crap it was. The gun just keeps on going. It looks like crap, the finish is half gone, the edges are worn and dinged. The gun will not quit. Of all my 1911's, if I had to grab one and run out the door and count on it to save my life.....I would grab that ugly ass Taurus. Not my fullsize springer or my LW Champion operator. Not my colt or my Kimber....but my Taurus. The only thing I have ever done to it is the day I got it, I swapped the ambi safety for a kings safety as I carry IWB and ambi safeties and me don't get along, I added a Kimber speed chute/MSH, and I basically have covered the thing in grip tape. Maybe their are some lemons out their, but that can be said of all manufactures. And it maybe true that if and when you have a problem, their customer service isn't worth a nickel, (I couldn't say, I have never had a problem) and if that is true, then that is something to strongly consider when considering purchasing one. But to say they are crap like that is common knowledge is wrong. http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/866/img0268cj.jpg It's not the prettiest 1911 in my collection nor is it the nicest, butit is the one that I know without a shadow of a doubt will preform whenI need it to. Honestly, I like to hear the Taurus success stories even more than the failures. Unfortunately the failure outnumber the successes, many times over. Also, using improper reloads is not really a measure of a guns worth or reliability. In fact, that could mean your 1911 is WAY out of spec, possibly to dangerous levels. From my perspective, even if I consider to buy a gun that I've read so many bad things about (and I probably wouldn't), I'll at LEAST want good service. Taurus doesn't have that going for them either. |
| The only complaint I've had with Taurus CS is the length of time for turn around. ( 6-8 weeks usually) The work has always been done correctly the first time with out exception. I will admit that my customers get really whipped up when I tell them to expect a two month turnaround but I feel that's much ado over nothing. I've owned and sold them for years and personally, I think you get a solid product for the price. I find that people are more likely to offer an opinion if they get a lemon but keep their mouths shut if it's trouble-free. Go figure. |
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I own a Taurus. It's a PT101 in .40.
Stainless. I carry 165 GDHP in a 13 round Mec Gar mag in the chute and 2 more on the other side of the belt when entering less than desirable areas. In the year since I traded a shitty S&W sigma for It I have had only 1 problem. The very first round fired stovepiped...It was a box of ammo the shop gave me free with the gun...Brown bear Ate rest of box fine. Since then I have thrown well over 4,500 rounds down the pipe. Mostly handloads but it eats it all. WWB. is the most common factory I use but magtech, blazer, S&B and wolf gold all run fine. I also own a RIA 1911 in 9mm. Same basic story. Runs perfectly after first mag. No problems with factory mag (checkmate) or the 5 Mec-gar's. My father had a 4" Springfield and after 2000 plus rounds of all factory and a visit to every gunsmith in the area and 4 trips to springfield, he traded it for a xD at a show Oh and to .those who post about the number of posts reporting problems exceeding positives....I think most who have problems will want to tell all about it constantly whilst those without any will be spending more time on range having fun. |
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I own a Taurus. It's a PT101 in .40. Stainless. I carry 165 GDHP in a 13 round Mec Gar mag in the chute and 2 more on the other side of the belt when entering less than desirable areas. In the year since I traded a shitty S&W sigma for It I have had only 1 problem. The very first round fired stovepiped...It was a box of ammo the shop gave me free with the gun...Brown bear Ate rest of box fine. Since then I have thrown well over 4,500 rounds down the pipe. Mostly handloads but it eats it all. WWB. is the most common factory I use but magtech, blazer, S&B and wolf gold all run fine. I also own a RIA 1911 in 9mm. Same basic story. Runs perfectly after first mag. No problems with factory mag (checkmate) or the 5 Mec-gar's. My father had a 4" Springfield and after 2000 plus rounds of all factory and a visit to every gunsmith in the area and 4 trips to springfield, he traded it for a xD at a show Oh and to .those who post about the number of posts reporting problems exceeding positives....I think most who have problems will want to tell all about it constantly whilst those without any will be spending more time on range having fun. So far, all I've heard is "it shoots when I pull the trigger". Reliability is only one aspect of a 1911. Given it may be one of the most important ones, I was several other things in a 1911 as well, such as a nice fit. Not just slide/frame fit. I want a nice, tight bushing fit that will net accuracy. I want a nice, smooth trigger. I want key parts of the weapon to be tool steel rather than MIM. I could make a list of at least 20 things. While these things may cost more, they are also the reason why I have "nice" 1911s with most or all of these features. Not sure what your point on the Springfield, though. Not sure if you're trying to say that any manufacturer can have issues, or if you're trying to say that the cheapest 1911s around are the best. Either way, if I want a 1911 and I'm unsure of reliability, I will pay a few extra bucks and get a Springfield and KNOW that I'll get good customer experience. |
| PT 1911 was my first 1911, it served the purpose for me of being inexpensive ($400 NIB three years ago), reliable, quite accurate, and functioning as a trade-in for a Dan Wesson. Terrible CS reputation, which I never had to use, and at current prices, there are many other options. |
......just like most everyone else says, it was a peice of shit!
| I read on a forum that the ambi safety falls out on the 1911 so I told my friend about it. He didnt listen to and got one anyway, The day he got it he took it to the range and guess what....Yep after two shots the safety fell apart and on the ground it went. He sent it back and they said that they would fix the problem and for his troubles that they would send him a couple of free mags. Well after three months and no gun he called them back and asked about his gun and they still didnt work on it and then he asked about the free mags and yep you guess it....We dont give free mags.....A month later he got the gun and took it out again and after a few round the safety fell out again and he also had problems with the guide rod. Well back it went and it took another few months to get it back. He says that it works fine now and wants to get another one.....YIKES |
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I have a 1911 and it works fine for me. I know someone else that has one and it's so loose it's not even funny. The barrel bushing has about 30 thousandths play in it. The slide is somewhat oversized compared to other 1911's I have measured. Fixable, yes but a gun shouldn't be that sloppy right out of the box. That being said, his gun never skipped a beat. I was hoping he would want to sell it for a song but no such luck. many of the same experiences over and over. Ive had two like this, and finally gave up on thier products. Several friends with the same experience. Plinker yes, bet your life on it, no. |
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My Taurus 605 runs like a champ. Amazingly accurate and it's a sub nose. The trigger isn't the smoothest but it's not exactly bad either.
My 709 slim... is a train wreck. It's hanging out at Taurus as we speak it's been about 2.5 months. They are "waiting on parts" The pistol would jam in one way or another 5 out of 7 times, light strikes even with the "strike two" I would have to pull the trigger 8 or 9 times before the round would go. There customer service hasn't been all that bad and they sent me a shipping label. As soon as it gets back I have a buyer for it and I'm getting a Kahr. |
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[div]I used to sell Taurus. They as a company just suck. Its kind of like buying a loaded Yugo because you can get one with leather seats, cruise, power windows etc for the same price as a stripped down Honda Accord. Just go to a gunshop and pick one up. Shake it around, cycle the slide, cock the hammer and just look at it. I mean come on, they suck. I will agree that as a company their customer service sucks. However, I happen to own a PT1911 that I bought with the sole intention of breaking. I have put well over 5,000 rounds of the dirtiest nastiest reloads I could come up with thru it, and besides the one time I way over greased it, the thing runs like a top. I intentionally loaded the dirtiest powders I could find thinking they could choke it. I loaded a batch of 185gr LSWC that i didn't expand the brass before seating the bullets, and screwed up half of them by mistake.....a batch of 1000. My springfield and colt both choked on them, the taurus eats them like candy. I have thrown it in the sand, mud, dirt, asphalt, concrete, just about any surface I could find in hopes of breaking it. I put 1k rounds through it in under an hour one day, I was just shooting it as fast as I could, and my buddy was just loading mags as fast as he could (it helps when you have 40+ mags. The gun was so hot could have lit a cig off the barrel if any of us smoked. It was so dirty you could here the metal dragging as the slide cycled. It kept going. I took it home and brought it out the next day and ran another 600 rds thru it without cleaning it in between. It kept running. Hell, I probably haven't cleaned it in the last 500 rds. It's not sloppy, it's not a loose rattle trap, and it is amazingly accurate. It shoots true and reliably. I wanted to prove what a piece of crap it was. The gun just keeps on going. It looks like crap, the finish is half gone, the edges are worn and dinged. The gun will not quit. Of all my 1911's, if I had to grab one and run out the door and count on it to save my life.....I would grab that ugly ass Taurus. Not my fullsize springer or my LW Champion operator. Not my colt or my Kimber....but my Taurus. The only thing I have ever done to it is the day I got it, I swapped the ambi safety for a kings safety as I carry IWB and ambi safeties and me don't get along, I added a Kimber speed chute/MSH, and I basically have covered the thing in grip tape. Maybe their are some lemons out their, but that can be said of all manufactures. And it maybe true that if and when you have a problem, their customer service isn't worth a nickel, (I couldn't say, I have never had a problem) and if that is true, then that is something to strongly consider when considering purchasing one. But to say they are crap like that is common knowledge is wrong. http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/866/img0268cj.jpg It's not the prettiest 1911 in my collection nor is it the nicest, butit is the one that I know without a shadow of a doubt will preform whenI need it to. |
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any manufacturer can have issues. this. sorry for not being specific... 
Actually noting that at least in my father's case, the Springfield CS people were of no help, as they continually returned a firearm that choked it's way thru every mag fed to it with little or no improvement on each roundtrip. And to me I agree with his decision that if he could not trust the reliability then that firearm it wasn't worth keeping. For any price. People can have bad and good experiences with same company...I know several who were dissatisfied with their handguns from Company X, while loving a less expensive or more expensive one from company Y . It's just frustrating to see people, keyboard jockeys who think 50 rounds twice a month makes them experts, badmouth a company based solely on cost of their product, even if they wont admit it's not one they own, may or may not have handled or even shot. I was the same way until one day a few years ago, my local ffl asked me to put on a blindfold and see what trigger I liked best on 4 different 1911's. Needless to say the results surprised me and since that day I haven't commented about any gun I do not own or have not shot at least a hundred rounds through. I've owned a lot of handguns in my life, well maybe not a lot compared to the vast collections some on this board have, and there were a good few that felt really nice in the hand at a counter and shot like shit on the range, whether less than expected accuracy or just uncomfortable to shoot or unreliability after a lengthy attempt at breaking in. There was also a time I didn't like the fit and feel of a 1911, any 1911. that changed when a good friend who has a dozen or so of them, handed me 2 of his at the range. One was a Kimber Aegis 9mm and the other was a Colt .45 . Within a week I picked up a used Para in .45. after a thousand rounds or so and a month of careful consideration, I decided I liked the platform a hell of alot better than any of the tupperware guns and began trading and selling them off. to get more 1911's. Now I have 2, plus my Taurus 101. All get regular range and CC time. My favorite right now is the fullsize RIA Tactical in 9mm. I carry the Taurus when work takes me into places where the likelihood of multiple threats working in concert is higher. SHOOT MORE POST LESS! |
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I think the hate is warranted. Sure, they've been improving a lot, but people aren't likely to forget the past, and more so if they've never given a Taurus a second try (which I wouldn't blame anyone who's been burned for not wanting to try). My experience, however, has been all around positive. I own a PT1911, and aside from some rough spots here and there, it just works! I got it new through a local pawn shop. After hanging around talking to the guys that run the place for a little while the conversation turned to the PT1911 and these guys started raving about it. They told me both of them and their boss own one and it's their favorite 1911, that they're having a hard time keeping them in stock, new or used, and that some guy that bought one even returned and sold them 3 of his Kimbers after shooting the Taurus. When I asked their armorer what he'd change out on it he said he'd just put an extended slide stop on it, like he had on his. I came in there looking for one, but that really sold me! You can take that all as bullshit, but I don't care. It's true. I hear their CS is still crap, but I'm glad I've yet to have to deal with them. |
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I'm not really surprised that the rocket surgeons at Taurus can take a 100-year-old handgun design that has been painstakingly documented, thoroughly debugged, and make it work more often than not.
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Quoted: I'm not really surprised that the rocket surgeons at Taurus can take a 100-year-old handgun design that has been painstakingly documented, thoroughly debugged, and make it work more often than not. I'd be damned if I'd spend any money on one of their designs, though. Been hearing good things about their PT709 Slim from my local concealed carry board. I think I'm gonna give it a try. I could think of a few situations were carrying my full sized SA 1911 might not be the best way to go. (I'll start carrying the PT after I get at least 500 rounds through it. It's a "confidence" break-in. I won't carry something if I have any doubt that it might go click when I need it to go BANG!) |
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I'm not really surprised that the rocket surgeons at Taurus can take a 100-year-old handgun design that has been painstakingly documented, thoroughly debugged, and make it work more often than not. I'd be damned if I'd spend any money on one of their designs, though. Been hearing good things about their PT709 Slim from my local concealed carry board. I think I'm gonna give it a try. I could think of a few situations were carrying my full sized SA 1911 might not be the best way to go. (I'll start carrying the PT after I get at least 500 rounds through it. It's a "confidence" break-in. I won't carry something if I have any doubt that it might go click when I need it to go BANG!) I'd rethink the PT709. There have been multiple reports of frame cracks on these. |
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I read on a forum that the ambi safety falls out on the 1911 so I told my friend about it. He didnt listen to and got one anyway, The day he got it he took it to the range and guess what....Yep after two shots the safety fell apart and on the ground it went. He sent it back and they said that they would fix the problem and for his troubles that they would send him a couple of free mags. Well after three months and no gun he called them back and asked about his gun and they still didnt work on it and then he asked about the free mags and yep you guess it....We dont give free mags.....A month later he got the gun and took it out again and after a few round the safety fell out again and he also had problems with the guide rod. Well back it went and it took another few months to get it back. He says that it works fine now and wants to get another one.....YIKES Sounds like the friend is defective also.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not really surprised that the rocket surgeons at Taurus can take a 100-year-old handgun design that has been painstakingly documented, thoroughly debugged, and make it work more often than not. I'd be damned if I'd spend any money on one of their designs, though. Been hearing good things about their PT709 Slim from my local concealed carry board. I think I'm gonna give it a try. I could think of a few situations were carrying my full sized SA 1911 might not be the best way to go. (I'll start carrying the PT after I get at least 500 rounds through it. It's a "confidence" break-in. I won't carry something if I have any doubt that it might go click when I need it to go BANG!) I'd rethink the PT709. There have been multiple reports of frame cracks on these. I'm sure they don't outnumber the properly functioning 709's no one's talking about. And I can just send it back in for replacement if that's the case. |
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I have owned 2 Taurus autos. My PT945 has never had a hiccup and is pretty accurate. My PT145 had the frame crack within 10 rounds. It was returned from the factory within 6-7 weeks but I never trusted it again and sold it. Quality control is way too iffy for me.
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| A friend owns a PT1911 and has has zero issues . its plenty accurate and looks good enough (its a SS model) . I've got a PT945C , PT22 and a PT99 . I've only had issues with the PT22 and the PT99 . the adj rear sight on the PT99 has came loose , not the sight itself but the adj screw for the blade . no big deal as I just have to retighten it , if I ever remember if it does it again I'll put a drop of blue locktite on it . the PT22 had the mag catch strip out in the frame . sent it off years ago , a couple of months later a new pistol arrived with the same ser# on the frame . pretty good CS if not a little slow . I had a 605 that gave zero issues but traded it on a POS para P10 . I had to send it back 3 times for FTF and FTE . I worked it over myself , polished every thing that moved or rubbed . the plastic mag catch wore down after just a few mags , they did offer to sell me another (plastic one) . I had to make one myself out of AL . very glad I got rid of it and don't plan on owning another para ever . |