Posted: 3/30/2007 1:14:46 PM EDT
| Has anyone tried the newer polyer Wolf Ammo in their H&Ks. How does it run? It seems like a cheap plinker. |
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polymer ammo?! like the case is plastic? I know they have some pretty amazing plastics out there, but i seriously question the integrity of a case made of plastic... the case is one of the most load bearing components, and i would think the heat would make it hot enough to not keep its shape... I dunno, i guess they would have tested it, just dont shoot it through a glock. The USP has a tight enough chamber, it might work okay. The glock i would not bet my safety on tho. 
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It's just a polymer coated steel casing, supposedly to ease the pain on the extractor. Wolf is super dirty, and steel is hard on anything it touches inside your gun. It's also common (~5 times per 1000 of 7.62x39) to get a bad primer. I've also had one round fail to feed... the bullet wasn't crimped at all and just came off the end of the casing. Personally, I won't use Wolf in anything except my AK. And I won't let anyone shoot Wolf through my HKs. |
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+1 I hate it when someone tries to explain to me how their wolf or no name reloads arent going to hurt my gun. I figure that my ak was designed to use steel cased ammo. But only new brass ammo goes through my HK. |
Sure, the logic is fairly simple, the steel of your HK is a heat treated hardened steel. The casings of Wolf are a soft steel. Compare the hardness of a brass casing a steel casing and you HK barrel. The steel is only marginally stronger than the brass, if at all. The steel of wolf will not harm your gun. Also consider this: AKs run wolf and other steel cased ammo all day long right? The steel in HKs and most guns are a harder steel than that in AKs (Russian steel isn't the toughest stuff around, I can cite a book about this if I really need to) If wolf is fine in AKs, why would it hurt weapons that are made of tougher steel? What makes the AKs so special that they can handle this terrible wolf? "because they were made to" doesn't really cut it here, because if the AKs can and not other weapons, I'd like to hear a specific reason as to why this is... |
Only reason I run it through the AK and not through the HK is because the AK is a "range only" gun to me. It's my beater gun. But AKs handle Wolf better because of their extremely loose tolerances. Just like I'd say Glocks would handle Wolf better than a 1911. But that's talking about the dirtiness of Wolf, not the hardness of the steel. Soft steel is kind of a pointless term. "Soft steel" is still harder than "hard brass". I'd call Wolf crude/cheap steel, but it's still steel none the less. And steel is harder than brass, any way you cut it. Brass will wear down hard steel over time, and "soft" steel will wear down hard steel over time as well. Only brass takes much longer than the "soft" steel. Wolf will be harder on your extractor than other brass cased ammo. But, if it's just a range gun, who cares? |
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Okay "crude" steel if you prefer that term, it's still a hell of a lot softer than your HK though. As far as the tolerances/dirt goes, I've fired over 1000 rounds of wolf in my Kimber with no malfunctions, of course it doesn't run in everyones gun and if yours is susceptible to dirt then wolf might not be for you. As far as wearing the extractor, I'll believe it when I see it. Sometimes wolf can be such a savings (not always, and not so much anymore, but it used to be) that you can buy 10 extractors with the savings. |
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The US used steel cased 45 ammo in WWII. I've shot many many thousands of rounds of Wolf through ARs, Beretta pistols and Glocks with no damage to the extractors, or anything else. However I do hear more complaints about HK pistols choking on ammo than everything else combined, they seem more finicky about being able to run on stuff like s&b and wolf. I would guess that they're tighter and like a target gun should probably be restricted to brass cased us ammo. However I haven't heard much of that lately now that I think about it. |
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I shot 500 rounds of Wolf through my USP and it functioned perfectly. Now it was filthy after using that ammo and accuracy was marginal. I will never use it again and the only weapon that will see Wolf ammo again is my SKS. If you want cheap ammo that is good for the range go to the local Walmart and buy the 100 round WWB packs. I paid $20/100 and I think that is the best deal going for cheap and decent ammo. I have now switched to Fiocchi and my HK just loves it  Very accurate and very clean ammo.
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Ive shot over 2k rounds of Wolf through my .45 USP fullsize. Never a FTF, FTE, anything, no excessive wear and tear, and although it gets marginally dirtier than with WWB, its only an extra 5 minutes of elbow grease to get it clean. And I like cleaning my guns anyways. |
Well that is a new one. From what I have heard and experienced, HK pistols are about the most reliable out there. Side by side with Glock and Sig. I have shot wwb, Remington, wolf, magtech, taurus, and others and never experienced any kind of problem. I think this is due to the design where the bullet almost goes strait into the bbl. I can hold the slide and slowly let it inch forward and it will chamber a round every time. Cant do that with my 1911. Needs a little momentum to make it up the ramp. |