Posted: 1/14/2005 6:35:15 PM EDT
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So what's the deal? When will they be coming out with one? Cheers |
GAY!!!!!!!! that SUCKS BALLS!!!!!   what is SA trying to do? compete w/ glock in everything?? if they want to compete in the US, they should have made the XD in .45acp BEFORE the gap--i bet that an XD in .45acp would kill glock's new .45 gap..... |
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I fired off an email to Springfield about the .45 ACP situation so we'll see what their response is. I hope I don't hear back about the great new GAP- that is NOT a cartridge I am even considering. How many overhyped POS calibers have been touted "THE Caliber" only to fall by the wayside in the past ten years? GAP=  Cheers |
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I've emailed Springfield many times about the shitty .45 GAP, all I got was, no plans for the XD in a .45 ACP, only .45 GAP. I have 2 XD-40's and would have liked to get a XD in a .45 ACP, but they are not going to make it. So I bought a Glock 21, guess Springfield XD didn't want to complete in the area of the .45 ACP, oh well, their loss. Next I'll get the Glock 30, their loss again. But at least they have 1911's which I'll purchase after the Glock 30. .45 Gap 
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This is totally unacceptable. How can that possibly be? It's damn un-American to release a new line of full-sized pistols and leave off the All American Cartridge!! Yeah I know they are built in Croatia-- but still!!  Release the emails of war! Flood the bastards with requests for the release date for their XD in .45 ACP!! Cheers |
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There is a reason, besides pissing off guys with small-penis-syndrome... XD was originally made in 9mm as the HS2000... then SA bought 'em and started importing them, SA also new that everyone would want one in .40 (probably outsells the 9, but I'm not sure)... .40 and 9mm happen to use the same size of frame, as does the .40 based .357Sig.... No brainer: One pistol farme, two slides... three barrels, but all on the same 9mm sized frame. The key here is that frame... GAP will work where 9mm and .40 will because its the same length (or rougly so). To fit the ACP you would need a whole new frame.. whole new locking block.. whole new slide... So you can see why they went GAP. I wont buy one in GAP... and I hope someday they make one in .45ACP .38Super, and 10mm---but I'm not holding my breath. |
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No shit, Sherlock. Sure, it's convenient, but is it what most people are looking for, no. That's fine to have the GAP for the people with tiny hands, but was hoping they might attempt an XD in the time honored .45 ACP down the road. Guess not. And since it is too much hassle for them, I had to purchase a Glock for a high capacity .45 ACP. |
If Glock would have learned and improved their product over time then maybe, however they were content to keep the exact same pistol in action from day 1. The XD is everything glock forgot to do and was too stuck up to improve. |
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My email: I am interested in an XD Tactical, but I am waiting for one in .45. When will an XD in the ultimate caliber be available? Springfield:
Well there you have it folks. Apparently their PR dept needs to hire some staff too. Anyway a few thousand emails could bump this into the priority pile no? Cheers |
I'm glad SOMEONE has a sense of humor...  I think an XD-10 would be fun... 
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I dont see them building it in .45acp as they already have multiple .45acp platforms availalble. IMHO the 1911 is a superior social pistol anyhow. They went with the GAP because it was the easy way into a big bore caliber on this pistol. If they upped the size of the pistol it might result in a 2x4 sized grip like the G21. In other words: if it really is in R&D they're in no hurry. Here's a thought Buy a .45GAP, find a short length load in ACP like the speer 200gr JHP if you can stuff it in the mag it would be a simple matter of rechambering the barrel and opening up the breech face a bit. Shouldnt be a major project but would be load specific. I checked and a 230gr JHP is too long to fit the mag on the .40 and I dont have any speer 200gr on hand to check that. The possibility is there though. If there were an XD 10 that would be a great platform for a .45acp dual caliber setup. Slide/bbl swap and you're good. |
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Well it's nice to see that Springfield is at least considering it. I already bought the G21 and will buy a G30 down the road. Just a little too late in my case. As far as the 2X4 sized grip on the Glock 21, feels good to me. Guess I'm lucky enough to be able to grip it and I love the idea of 13 rds of .45 ACP. Guess we'll have to wait and see if Springfield will make an XD in a .45 ACP and whether it will be single or double stack. |
| I have little girl hands and am a memeber of the SPC. I know they'd do the double stack but hopefully they'd sacrafice a bit of capacity for thinner grip size. Glock gets higher capacity by putting the rounds further out to the side at the cost of a huge grip. Us guys with smaller hands usually stick with single stacks in "real caliber" pistols. Hell even my P220 is pushing it for me, I much prefer the M1911 grips and the .40 XD is about as wide as I'd be willing to go. |
Kinda like the 1911, huh?
I know absolutely nothing about the XD. What are these improvements of which you speak? |
Sorry but not like the 1911, it's been improved upon many times. In short the improvements on the XD over glock 1. Dovetailed sights, not plastic pushed in sights. 2. Grip safety, it takes more than just a trigger pull you must have a firing grip 3. Grip angle ( this is entirely subjective) 4. Striker cocked indicator at the rear of the slide 5. Chamber loaded indicator 6. Takedown lever is easier to operate and must be done with slide to rear (lessens possibility of AD) To me the most important were the sights and grip safety/grip angle. I could live without the others but they're certainly no detriment. |
It has only been "improved" by other manufacturers. A current production Colt 1911 is virtually identical to the original Colt 1911. Take a look at your list of "improvements" and tell me how many have been implemented in the Colt 1911 design.
Dovetail sights are only significant if you plan on changing the sights in which case the plastic sights would be irrelevant.
Might pose a problem if your hand is injured and you can't get the proper firing grip. Besides, when would I be pulling the trigger without a firing grip?
Exactly.
Trigger forward on the Glock means the same thing.
Glocks have this feature.
Following the four rules of firearm safety will also prevent an AD (I prefer to call it an ND as it really isn't an accident). Basically, you're saying they stuck a grip safety on a Glock and called it a day. I don't know that I'd consider adding a turn of the century safety device an improvement. Sounds to me like the XD is different, but hardly an improvement. |
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The front plastic sight on the Glock is a sick joke at best, the first time I fired my G22 it had no front sight, I pulled it from the holster and saw it was gone! I doubt you'll find ANYONE that thinks the glock front sight is a good design (even die hard glock lovers admit that one) Fortunately I found it in the box, then promptly (same day) I KBd it. Not a good day of shooting to say the least. The SA XD also has the trigger safety, some folks dont believe that the trigger safety alone is adequate. That argument will go on for years, we cant hash it out to conclusion here. I forgot to add a FULLY SUPPORTED CHAMBER on the XD. HUGE FREAKIN IMPROVEMENT You like glocks and accept them as is, some folks dont. I appreciate the fact we can still buy a variety of different things and enjoy them. Buy what you like. Hell I'm a Ford guy, if you want to be handicapped by a dodge or chevy go right ahead.....  Frankly your average 1911 operator is going to be more of a "gun guy" than the average Glock owner. Glock caters to folks that are new to handguns or not necessarily handgun enthusiasts, not to say there arent alot of very knowledgeable folks who prefer glock. It's just on average you've got more idiots carrying glocks than 1911s I guess they're just more hip or gangsta ready. Your 1911 Kung fu is very weak , you dont know the history of the 1911 very well. Lost of improvements and changes in the pistol. Hint, they started with long triggers and flat mainspring housings ( funny we've gone back to that now) They also started life without being throated, almost all are today. There are a variety of grip safety designs even within Colts offerings, sights, the options go on and on. As far as striker indicator.... the hammer's cocked and the chamber indicator ( press check no full lenght guide rod ;) Sights, not dovetailed front but newer high profile sights dont fall of 1911s either, they're staked on not just pushed in. This is kind of getting off the original topic however.... I'd be more than happy to carry this on in another thread. |
The Croatians may have copied my Glock , but at least mine comes in .45 ACP.
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Blasphemy! I own a G21 and several 1911s: there is always room for improvement, and always more to collect. Who the hell wants a gun safe full of the same gun anyway? Cheers |
i'd love to see the look on the guy taking this in for a warranty service! |
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To get back on topic, can someone tell me what the 45ACP does that the 45GAP cannot ? Obviously, there is more case volume, more bullet options and probably more potential for hotrodding the ACP, but for a 45 caliber carry gun why is the GAP totally out of the question ? It seems to me a lot of American shooters are being very closed-minded about this round. By the way, I carry a 40S&W Glock, so I don't really have a dog in this fight. ETA: Of all the criticisms of the Glock given above, the only really valid ones are grip angle (not a problem for my G27, and I fixed my G22 with a Dremel) and unsupported chamber. The rest is just BS. |
From the Speer website: .45 GAP 200 gr Gold Dot 950 fps 401 ft/lbs ball coef .138 .45 ACP 230 gr Gold Dot 890 fps 405 ft/lbs ball coef .143 Ballistically, they are very similar. The .45 GAP operates at a higher pressure. I have owned both and shot both side by side (a Glock 21 and a Glock 37). The 37 shoots like a .40 to me. It's more snappy. Accuracy was very good. My 21 shoots smoother, though. Overall I preferred my 21 as I liked the shooting characteristics and it was more accurate for me, but the 37 is a fine handgun. The .45 GAP will definitely come into it's own in the 19/23/32 frame and the 26/27/33 frame. |
Obviously you're on your own with this work. I wouldnt mind trying it ***if*** the round will fit in the mag. Anybody got a 200gr JHP 45acp load handy to see if it would fit in a .40 mag? |
Well I can't speak for the others, but it seems to me that there have been so many new rounds that are hyped up as this or that, and then just disappear, that it's just not worth (i.e. $$$) jumping on anything until a round has proven itself. Especially in a case like this where by all accounts the rounds are very similar. It seems crazy not to develop a pistol in the proven rounds before going off with the round of the week. Closed minded? I guess you could say that, but I would call it jaded. Cheers |
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This is what 45 ACP can do over 45 GAP.... it can be bought at 99.999% of the gun stores across our country. The 45 GAP is like putting walnuts in vanilla ice cream and calling it better. On another note why not go back to the 10mm if they felt like they needed a "better" caliber. At least that way "most" could actually believe the hype. |
True, that's why I have a Glock 21, an XD-40 service, an XD-40 sub, a Ruger Redhawk .44 and a Ruger Vaquero .44 so far, not to mention the rifles. Gonna buy another Glock because I can get it in a .45 ACP and then it's on to 1911's. Will probably start out with a Springfield Mil-Spec Bi-tone. Guess I'm on a .45 ACP kick right now.
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And this is what the 45 GAP can do over the 45 ACP...it can be used in a smaller framed handgun. It's not about power, my friend. It's about putting an equivalent round in a smaller handgun. The 45 ACP isn't the size it is because it needs to be. It's the size it is because of existing technology when it was developed. How many times have you heard someone say, "I'd love to get a Glock 21 or a Glock 30, but they are just to big for my hands."? The botton line is that the law enforcement community wanted high capacity and 45 ACP ballistics in a smaller handgun. Glock delivered. Just because you don't like walnuts in your vanilla ice cream doesn't mean your ice cream is better. |
Obviously you've never taken them apart side by side. About the only things they have in common is that they are both polymer frames, and both are pistols. The internal workings are completely different...  
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