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12/2/2005 2:28:48 PM EDT
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12/2/2005 4:13:45 PM EDT
[#1]
I skip FLGRs for two reasons.

I have had to make use of the lack of one to free a stuck slide by ramming the GI plug against a hard surface.

I have had a FLGR unthread the rod from the base.  I know that can be prevented, but why dink with it if I have no valid reason to have a FLGR in the first place?


BTW, Charles Petty had an article in July 2000 American Handgunner.  The GI guide rod leaves approx  1/4" of spring unsupported when the gun is assembled.
12/2/2005 8:35:52 PM EDT
[#2]
Why weren't you at weapon werks today?!   I took my life in my own hands driving up 19th avenue from McDowell at 1600!
12/2/2005 10:13:31 PM EDT
[#3]
I for one am getting rid of my two piece guide rod because it is a pain to fiddle with when field stripping. I think I will just try a plug like my G.I. has.
12/3/2005 3:48:28 AM EDT
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12/3/2005 5:25:27 AM EDT
[#6]
This is just a IMHO of course.

But, I went from the short rod to the FLGR on my loose slide/frame Colt and the ejection pattern seemed to be more consistent in the direction of empties thrown. My conclusion, which could be wrong, was  that the rod helped the slide/frame move more consistently on each shot! It does "feel" smoother and rattles less with the FLGR, so my conclusion was that it's a good thing...for my gun anyway. What do you think?

I assume in a gun with a tighter slide/frame fit it wouldn't make a difference, except in weight.

It does "seem" logical that the spring should be centered on a rod, but I've shot a lot of rounds through a short rod 1911 and they worked for years without them so...no problem either way.
12/3/2005 6:46:46 AM EDT
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12/3/2005 9:53:59 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:


I have had to make use of the lack of one to free a stuck slide by ramming the GI plug against a hard surface.




I don't know how common this is, but I had to do it twice when using ammo that wasn't sized correctly.  I'm honestly not sure how I would have freed that malfunction with a FLGR.  Its a bit scary to have a live round in the chamber and no way of getting it out.

I avoid the FLGR because I just don't see that it answers any needs of mine.  If I were a gamer and looking for the extra weight, perhaps I'd view it differently.  Even then, there are other way to do that.
12/3/2005 10:22:36 AM EDT
[#9]
I avoid FLGRs for following reasons:

PITA factor for assembly/disassembly
Hard to clear a round/case if stuck in the chamber
The added weight isn't noticeable
They no not enhance accuracy
They do not enhance reliability
I avoid tungsten FLGRs because tunsten is brittle
I avoid other FLGR's (tunsten, mercury filled) becuase they break

Having said all that, I have to use a FLFR in my SVI .40 because it has a bull barrel.  If you want to add weight to the muzzle end, that's they way to do it.

SF

12/3/2005 1:23:11 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:


I have had to make use of the lack of one to free a stuck slide by ramming the GI plug against a hard surface.




I don't know how common this is, but I had to do it twice when using ammo that wasn't sized correctly.  I'm honestly not sure how I would have freed that malfunction with a FLGR.  Its a bit scary to have a live round in the chamber and no way of getting it out.





I suspect a great number of people would stop what they are doing and head for the nearest guy charging $50 an hour to finger fuck their gun.

On the other hand, this homie dont play that and WILL make it work again RIGHT NOW unless something broke
12/3/2005 2:58:58 PM EDT
[#11]
I had a 2pc FLGR in my SA Loaded for about a year. It worked okay and didnt seem to help with anything. It liked to come loose during shooting so I took it out and put in a GI rod +plug. I have not noticed any change in the operation of the pistol. It is more accurate now, but that is because I have had it longer and gotten more practice, as well as a trigger job. Its nice not having to have an allen wrench on hand to keep the thing tight, or to remove for cleaning.
12/3/2005 3:09:01 PM EDT
[#12]
I have found that the FLGR and single 20 lb ISMI spring is an improvement on my Delta Elite vs. the factory plastic guide rod (which shattered) and double spring. However the DE in 10 mm with full throttle loads is a VERY different breed of cat from the rest of my Government Models which wear the standard configuraton assembly. The only thing I have really noticed about the FLGR is that the springs do not take the bend in the middle set that seems to happen with the stock setup.