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3/6/2008 8:52:14 AM EDT
I know this has been discussed many times before and I read some of the threads on this subject, but I didn't pay close enough attention. Now, I want to buy one and need some details.

I want to buy a .22LR conversion for my 9mm Glocks. I have the 26, 17, and 34. I am going to thread the barrel for use with a suppressor if that matters.

In the past most people say to buy the Advantage Arms. What I want to know is WHY. Don't just post that you have one and love yours. I want to know why you like that one better than the others out there. I would prefer not to buy one from Advantage Arms because they have 10 round magazines. The Ceiner has a 15 round magazine which is not only more convienient, it is more realistic. I also have an issue with having to comply with kalifornia's laws when I don't live in kalifornia.  However, if the Advantage Arms is a lot better than the Ceiner, that may trump the magazine issue.

So how about some facts. Best replies would come from people who have actually owned or used more than one brand of conversion. Second would be people who honestly evaluated more than one conversion and decided what they wanted based on facts.
3/6/2008 9:00:39 AM EDT
[#1]
AA just works as long as you follow the manual and ammo recommendations.

The LE models actually have Glock sights, and you can duplicate your glock sights on them.

AA customer support is great.


Ceiner may or may not work

Fixed sights that cannot be changed

JAC customer service is legendary




There you are in a nutshell.
3/6/2008 4:05:50 PM EDT
[#2]
Ok thanks for the reply.

I have owned a Commander length, 1911 conversion from Ceiner for 10 years or more. I have no real complaints about it at all. It functions, it is plenty accurate for my needs, and the sights are fine. It will NOT run with any ammo other than CCI Mini Mags, however, they tell you that right up front, so if you follow their directions it will work fine.

Of course this doesn't mean the Glock version will work as well.

FWIW: I would be buying this more as a training tool/understudy for my Glock pistols. I would like the .22 conversion to be as close to a Glock as possible. I don't want some kind of special sights. I have fixed sights on my Glocks and want fixed sights on the conversion. Same goes for the magazines: my Glocks hold 17. I would like the .22 to hold 17, but 15 is a lot closer to that than 10 is. If I am doing shooting drills as training it would make the training all the more valuable if the guns were as close to alike as possible.
3/6/2008 6:28:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Fact: The Ceiner conversion I bought for my Glock 19 Jammed a lot. I finally got frustrated with it and got rid of it. Hav'nt bought another. When it shot it was accurate enough, you get lots of jam clearing practice. A lot of light strikes and FTE. Wonderful customer service too.
3/7/2008 6:26:54 AM EDT
[#4]
As far as training goes, counting rounds is not a good habit to get in to. I assume that is what you are doing if you are concerned about the capacity of the mags being the same. The .22 conversion would not be my choice to CCW

While it may frustrate you to have to change mags more often, it does afford you more practice on mag changes, which is always good.

And the sights are easily changed over to Glock fixed sights.

My ceiner conversion for my AR works well, but I will stick with AA for my Glocks.
3/7/2008 6:30:56 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Fact: The Ceiner conversion I bought for my Glock 19 Jammed a lot. I finally got frustrated with it and got rid of it. Hav'nt bought another. When it shot it was accurate enough, you get lots of jam clearing practice. A lot of light strikes and FTE. Wonderful customer service too.


What ammo were you using and did you try switching ammo to cure the problem ?
As I mentioned earlier, I tried to use Walmart ammo for a long time with tons of malfunctions. At one point I sent the conversion back to Ceiner and they said there was nothing wrong with it. Once I decided to just follow their directions and use only CCI Mini Mags, it ran fine. Just wondering if you had the same experience.

Counting rounds may not be a good idea in training but that isn't the point. If both weapons are as close to identical as possible, you don't need to modify your normal proceedures because of some artifical parameter.
3/7/2008 8:35:25 AM EDT
[#6]
Single biggest reason why I chose AA conversions is the last round slide lock.

I have all 3 AA sizes for the 26, 19 & 17.

I want my conversion to function as a trainer for both myself and any new shooters that I bring out.  

The AA works very well in this regard, accurately replicating all of the ergonomics and motor functions of a centerfire glock, absent the recoil of course.

I like using it for low cost practice.

My wife likes using it for low-recoil practice.

My AA conversions have fulfilled all of my expectations.

I recently got the AA 1911 conversion, haven't tried it yet though.
3/7/2008 8:59:59 AM EDT
[#7]
Any chance that the ceiner mags work with the AA conversion ?
3/7/2008 11:51:17 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Any chance that the ceiner mags work with the AA conversion ?


Nope.


Really, the 10rd mags for the AA conversion is not that big of a deal. They just work.
3/7/2008 1:20:28 PM EDT
[#9]
I have an early generation AA kit on my G17. I had the barrel threaded and I run an AAC Pilot suppressor on it. Fun, quiet and reliable. The only downside is the weight of the can on the end of the barrel causes it to shoot about 4" too low. One day I'll get around to swapping out the sights for some decent quality aftermarket sights to address the issue.
3/7/2008 4:08:06 PM EDT
[#10]
I just ordered an AA kit for my G23... will I enjoy it as much as I think I will?
~Dg84
3/7/2008 4:31:15 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Single biggest reason why I chose AA conversions is the last round slide lock.

I have all 3 AA sizes for the 26, 19 & 17.

I want my conversion to function as a trainer for both myself and any new shooters that I bring out.  

The AA works very well in this regard, accurately replicating all of the ergonomics and motor functions of a centerfire glock, absent the recoil of course.

I like using it for low cost practice.

My wife likes using it for low-recoil practice.

My AA conversions have fulfilled all of my expectations.

I recently got the AA 1911 conversion, haven't tried it yet though.


That is exactly what I am looking for.
Having the slide lock back is a huge plus. I don't know if the other kits out there do that or not.
3/8/2008 8:07:57 AM EDT
[#12]
Bump
3/8/2008 2:16:49 PM EDT
[#13]
OK.  I love my AA conversion kit for the 23 and I hate my Ciener kit for the 23.  Almost 10,000 rounds through the Ciener and about 2000 through the AA.

Enuf said.   Post this as a sticky.