Posted: 10/9/2007 6:12:12 PM EDT
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Anyone here own/carry a glock in .357sig? I'm debating on getting one. Would apprecaite any info on how they shoot, specifically the G33. ie. how hard is it to do stuff like double taps, reliability, ect.... I'd most likely end up getting a 27, then a .357 bbl for it as .40 is alot cheaper. But is it a direct conversion, just swap bbls and your good to go? |
| I carry a 32 but I feel that it kicks quite abit more than my friends 23 (.40). But I think everyone's feel is different. Ammo is not cheap but IMHO it is worth it when carrying. I love mine, but I am thinking about buying a .40 barrel to swap in and out. BTW, anyone who has a .357 sig pistol has to try double tap 125gr ammunition. Def has some punch to it. |
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I used to carry a 33 but upped it to a 32 due to big hands. I don't think recoil on a .357 sig is greater than a .40, just different. The best I can describe it as "snappier" as compared to the "push of a ..40 cal. ETA: yes, it's an easy barrel swapto go from .40 to .357 sig. You don't even need to buy mags. Your .40s will work perfectly. |
| I love the 357 sig,however I carry a .40 . The 357 sig is a great performer. extremely accurate. Lots of punch. The only draw back is a snappier recoil, It will definatly penatrate , I have been a little concerned with over penetration, if I used it for concealed carry. But I can also see ,where more would be better. I love the glock 33 and the 27. I have a 31 and a 33 . the 33 shoots just as good as the 31. I think it would be harder to do double taps with this cal. verses the .40. To me recoil is alot harder to control for follow up. If it were me I would buy a 27 and get a LWD 40-357 barrel . You can get the barrel for about $100.00. use the same mag and have fun. |
| 33 is my dailey CCW and I love it. +1 grip extension (10 rounds) loaded with 125gr Speer Gold Dots and with my Crimson Trace makes a nice little carry package that will get the job done! All concealed away in a BlackHawk Carbon holster, under my shirt you almost can't even tell I have it on. But I must say at the range putting 50 rounds though it does give a little numbness to your hands. Recoil is very snappy! |
yes the 357 sig is a 40 case necked down to a 9mm bullet... just drop in a barrel and go...only difference in the mags is the caliber markings. I was browsing ammunitiontogo.com and found the Speer Gold Dots to be the same price from the 180 gr .40 S&W to the 124 gr .357 Sig. I believe it was ~$25 /box of 50. Practice ammo may be a bit more expensive. I have not priced that as of yet. edit: it looks like WWB is approx $10 more per box for the 357 sig. |
| Glock 32 with Trijicon sights is my primary carry gun. Wouldn't go any other way. There is nothing, and I mean nothing, that you can't kill with 14 rounds of 357 Sig. The bottleneck design is much more reliable for feeding than the 40 (which doesn't have too many feeding problems anyway but whatever, I always say to go for as good as it gets) This round is LASER accurate as well. Forget about double taps, it's more like NRA style rapid fire with this round, a lot of snap in the 32. |
| Biggest downside I see to the .357Sig is that they are much harder / more involved to reload. And yes, with similarly performing ammo (hot SD loads or soft target loads), the .357Sig is much snappier than the 40s&w. Follow up shots are more difficult, much like the difference between 9mm and 9mm +P+. |
| I have a G31 and love it. That was actually my first Glock and then I caught the Glock bug from there and got others. I bought the Lonewolf .40 barrel and plink with that. The .357 Sig is a badass round. Very accurate. It will penetrate where the .40 will not, such as car doors, windshields, some vests, etc. |
Oh boy could that statement be torn apart. But I'll pass at the risk of offending all the 357 owners out there. |
I agree and I carry a G32. |
I'm a big .357SIG fan.I carry a G32 everyday. Having said that; the 10mm easily trumps the .357SIG and there is shit I would not want to try and kill with a 10mm.The .357 is a great round but get real. 
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.357 Sig is actually my choice because it will NOT overpenetrate walls, etc. It is a good round for an urban environment. |
Before the .357Sig crowd goes nuts, here is Double Tap's data on .357Sig, .40s&w, and 10mm. While the .357Sig compares favorably with the .40s&w, it doesn't compare well with the 10mm. The .357Sig is not a 10mm. The 135grn 10mm has 104ft lbs more muzzle energy in a 17% heavier bullet than the 115grn .357Sig. The energy transfer difference is huge. In fact, the 165grn 40s&w has 15lbs more muzzle energy in a 12% heavier bullet than the 147grn .357Sig with much less recoil and lower muzzle blast. That is likely why most LE organizations chose the 40s&w over the .357Sig. From The Double Tap Website .357 Sig 115gr. Gold Dot JHP 3.5" barrel - 1494fps / 570 ft lbs – Glock 33 4.0” barrel - 1550fps / 614 ft lbs – Glock 32 4.5" barrel - 1612fps / 663 ft lbs – Glock 31 .357 Sig 125gr. Gold Dot JHP 3.5" barrel - 1415fps / 556 ft lbs – Glock 33 4.0” barrel - 1450fps / 584 ft lbs – Glock 32 4.5" barrel - 1525fps / 645 ft lbs – Glock 31 .357 Sig 147gr. Gold Dot JHP 3.5" barrel - 1213fps / 480 ft lbs – Glock 33 4.0” Barrel – 1250fps / 510 ft lbs – Glock 32 4.5" barrel - 1296fps / 548 ft lbs – Glock 31 .40s&w 135grn Nosler JHP 3.5" barrel - 1310fps / 515 ft lbs – Glock 27 4.0” barrel – 1375fps / 567 ft lbs – Glock 23 4.5” barrel - 1420fps / 605 ft lbs – Glock 22 .40s&w 155grn Gold Dot JHP 3.5" barrel - 1200fps / 495 ft lbs – Glock 27 4.0” barrel – 1275fps / 560 ft lbs – Glock 23 4.5” barrel - 1310fps / 590 ft lbs – Glock 22 .40s&w 165grn Gold Dot JHP 3.5" barrel - 1140fps / 476 ft lbs – Glock 27 4.0” barrel – 1200fps / 528 ft lbs – Glock 23 4.5” barrel - 1240fps / 563 ft lbs – Glock 22 .40s&w 180grn Gold Dot JHP 3.5" barrel - 1050fps / 441 ft lbs – Glock 27 4.0” barrel – 1100fps / 484 ft lbs – Glock 23 4.5” barrel - 1140fps / 520 ft lbs – Glock 22 .10mm 135grn Nosler JHP 4.5” barrel - 1600fps / 767 ft lbs – Glock 20 .10mm 155grn Gold Dot HP 3.7" barrel - 1405fps / 679 ft lbs – Glock 29 4.5” barrel - 1475fps / 750 ft lbs – Glock 20 .10mm 165grn Golden Saber HP 3.7" barrel - 1360fps / 678 ft lbs – Glock 29 4.5” barrel - 1425fps / 744 ft lbs – Glock 20 .10mm 180grn Controlled Expansion (Hunting) 3.7" barrel - 1270fps / 645 ft lbs – Glock 29 4.5” barrel - 1350fps / 728 ft lbs – Glock 20 .10mm 200grn WFNGC Beartooth (Hunting) 3.7" barrel - 1240fps / 683 ft lbs – Glock 29 4.5” barrel - 1300fps / 750 ft lbs – Glock 20 |
OK, I'm curious. Tear is apart. |
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.357 Sig not over penetrating? Obscene...This is probably the best penetrating autopistol round availible. IIRC, a 125grn FMJ will penetrate 58+ inches of ballistic gelatin. According to Mas Ayoob, the Texas Department of Public Safety were involved in a shootout with a suspect in an 18 wheeler. Officers using the older P220 and 230grn Ranger T were unable to penetrate the truck while another officer using thier current P226 in .357 Sig with 125grn Gold Dots was able to penetrate the truck easily. There are numerous other occasions when officers using .357 Sig were able to penetrate objects when others calibers were not. This is precisely why the Chicago Transit Authority uses this caliber as it was the only caliber tested that would penetrate the seats/barriers on the elevated train. I think you are assuming that because of its high velocity it will perform like a 55grn 5.56 M193 projectile and fragment. This is false. Any good duty load that has 12 inches minimum penetration will not fragment and will defeat intermediate barriers better than other automatic cartridges. Thats not to say that fragmenting .357 Sig ammo doesn't exist, it most certainly does... Since I carry a Sig P226R and SP2022 in .357 Sig, I elected to use Corbon 125grn Sierra JHP's when spending time at my GF's apartment. Being that apartments have a dense population and typically thin/shoddy wall construction, over penetration and collateral damage was a huge concern. This bullet typically penetrates less than comperable bullet designs/weight as it has a higher velocity*usually, thats Corbons thing* and is notorious for core sperations/minimal fragmentation. Corbon uses their 90 and 115grn 9mm bullets in thier .357 Sig loadings which fragment/seperate even more and penetrate even less. I was hoping to use this phenomenon to my advantage but this was failed logic. I was attacked and nearly mauled by a unleased and rabid pitbull, named cujo FWIW...This dog had been cited/detained in the past for biting/fighting, so it was a dangerous animal that should have been destroyed, not walked without a leash. As the dog attacked me, I discharged 7 shots, scoring 5 hits from the snout to the back of the neck. The rounds that hit the pavement disintigrated while the rounds that struck the animal didn't pass all the way through*which is generally good* but they all had core sperations*which is bad* I knew that about this round, but I figured it would penetrate more than 3 inches and not have core failures in flesh targets. Boy was I wrong and operating under flawed logic. This logic could have saved other residents, but it might not have saved me in a more serious situation. Any handgun round that fragments and suffers seperation failures isn't suitible for defensive use. Besides, a handgun round fragmenting is different than a 55grn M193 FMJ fragmenting. A 125 grn JHP is going to have significantly more retianed weight and thus the core can/will still be lethal even after it seperates/fragments. This can be true of the base/nose of the aforementiond 55grn FMJ. Other than frangible ammo, which is a poor choice for personal defence, all handgun JHP's pose a serious risk for over penetration in an urban environment with the .357 Sig being among the worst. The .357 Sig is not the safest choice in terms of overpenetration...its certainly not wreckless to use .357 Sig as all handgun JHP's will easily defeat walls and such ,the Sig will just do it slightly better. To imply otherwise is just ignorant... I carry a G23 equipped with a Lasermax guide rod, 140grn DPX ammo and a 13 round mag in the gun and 2 15 round G22's in reserve. I have a G32 upper, for which I used 125grn Gold Dots and DPX ammo, but I found it had too much flash/bark for the platform. A shorter gun/barrel reduces the effectiveness of the cartridge and as much as I like the .357 Sig, I prefer the .40 S&W for this platform. This is the only .40 I have, everything else is in .357 Sig. Its a more effective round IMO, but the .40 is better for this gun IMO. |
Been done already read the thread |
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Winchester's own performance data here 125-gr SXT: 10.9'' 125-gr Bonded: 12.5'' I am not sure how different (if at all) the numbers would be today, but I found this data on Speer and Federal loadings (scroll down to the bottom): www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/357sig.htm |
I know I probably overdid it with that one but I posted that not even 4 hours after a range session with the 32 and I was feeling good. I like to make statements that keep my confidence in the thing, without confidence what is left?  |
Having confidence in something you use to protect your life with is a good thing.The .357 is a great round for human targets and should give you plenty of confidence.Though it may be possible to kill large animals, such as bears,I certainally wouldn't want to be the one conducting the experiment.However, I would be interested in watching the video of you trying it. 
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Last time I went bear hunting I got kicked out of the zoo. But I think I might have a chance with a handgun if I load it with 125FMJ for penetration and stand on the other side of the fence. |