Posted: 11/29/2009 11:04:28 AM EDT
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So I am wanting to go up in power from my 9mm glocks. Thinking about CCW type wheele guns. Is it worth springing for a 357?
I know I have better follow ups with .38 out of the guns I have previously fired. J-frame .38 or J-frame .357. Or glock 29 in 10mm? BTW I will still carry my g17 most of the time. Just want a powerfull revolver. .44? |
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357>9m>38
If you're toying with the idea of a SW 340PD trust me, save yourself some time and just lay your hand on a table a give it a whack with a hammer. 357 is a great cartridge, but anything that is big enough to tame it is too large for my taste for CCW. Yea, if just want a powerfull revolver to play with, go for the 44. |
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If you plan on range gunning it first, buy whatever you find a bargain on .38 or .357..Its hard to find .357 target loads so I end up shooting .38 99% of the time becuase its so so much cheaper. and their is better selection of .38 defense loads over .357 i have found..Maybe I am looking in the wrong place?
Sure you may 357 option for scourging the country side looking for ammo in .357, but reality we are not going to be going into people homes or find roadside gun shows selling .357 during shtf. |
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Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. 9mm is an extremely effective round and you don't gain anything at all by going to a .357 except more unneeded penetration and recoil that puts you at a real disadvantage for follow up shots. 38 special is good to go but slightly less powerful than the 9mm. It's a good compromise in a J frame Smith if you need something that will fit in a pocket. Overall sounds like you're looking for a lower capacity, less capable solution?
You don't need more 'power' than a 9mm but if you feel like you do, I suggest checking out 40S&W in a S&W M&P compact. |
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Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. 9mm is an extremely effective round and you don't gain anything at all by going to a .357 except more unneeded penetration and recoil that puts you at a real disadvantage for follow up shots. 38 special is good to go but slightly less powerful than the 9mm. It's a good compromise in a J frame Smith if you need something that will fit in a pocket. Overall sounds like you're looking for a lower capacity, less capable solution? You don't need more 'power' than a 9mm but if you feel like you do, I suggest checking out 40S&W in a S&W M&P compact. +1 As far as I'm concerned, Spook410 pretty much nailed it. |
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357 is a waste of time in the little revolvers. In fact I've little use for it in any revolver. And 9mm is fine. Or at least I am fine with it. Quoted:
Buy the .357 & shoot 38s. Have options. I agree with both of these. I have little use for the .357 in the small revolvers for defensive use, but I like to have options. |
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So I am wanting to go up in power from my 9mm glocks. Thinking about CCW type wheele guns. Is it worth springing for a 357? I know I have better follow ups with .38 out of the guns I have previously fired. J-frame .38 or J-frame .357. Or glock 29 in 10mm? BTW I will still carry my g17 most of the time. Just want a powerfull revolver. .44? i used to cc a 17 (21 now). i picked up a taurus 85 ul for mrs. bang in .38 special. you loose in round count, velocity, and the quick ability to reload. but you get the easy function of a revolver which is what she needs for the moment. i carried this gun once to show a buddy, and i felt under gunned. if you want more bang look at the 21sf or like you mentioned, the nasty spanky 29. after carrying a glock, everything else feels like a rang toy and less like a battle pistol. my advice is to stick with a glock. you will be more formillure with the platform and you can bet your life on it. .40, ,45, or 10mm. revolvers are for cowboys. |
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Personally, I went with a no-lock 642... best choice, in my eyes.
I've shot a J-frame in .357, and I personally have no desire to do it again. This is coming from someone that shoots a 629 on a somewhat regular basis (regular as I can with ammo costs). For what you can get with .38 +P, you really don't need the option to lob .357 Magnums out of such a small pistol. When I looked for my J-frame, I did take notice of the availability of both calibers, and there were more .38s out there than .357s… plus, if you want a new no-lock, you will only find them in .38s. .357s always have longer cylinders for the only reason that it is a longer round (and you can't close a .357 in a .38 gun). In something I'd want to conceal, I'd go for the shortest length I can get. If you are going to just use .38s, which is very likely, it is just dead weight. And that isn’t even getting into my own personal dislike of the .357 Magnum… which I rather not get into (no point of derailing a thread). 10mm and .44 are two very good calibers, but expensive. I also feel that a .44 is only good in a larger pistol, being it is a very accurate round. |
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So I am wanting to go up in power from my 9mm glocks. Thinking about CCW type wheele guns. Is it worth springing for a 357? I know I have better follow ups with .38 out of the guns I have previously fired. J-frame .38 or J-frame .357. Or glock 29 in 10mm? BTW I will still carry my g17 most of the time. Just want a powerfull revolver. .44? If it is not a carry gun,forget the j-frame and go with something larger. .44 mag is a good choice for power,ammo availability,ect. |
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357 is a waste of time in the little revolvers. In fact I've little use for it in any revolver. And 9mm is fine. Or at least I am fine with it. Quoted:
Buy the .357 & shoot 38s. Have options. I agree with both of these. I have little use for the .357 in the small revolvers for defensive use, but I like to have options. these if it were just one, the 10mm G29 |
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357>9m>38 If you're toying with the idea of a SW 340PD trust me, save yourself some time and just lay your hand on a table a give it a whack with a hammer. 357 is a great cartridge, but anything that is big enough to tame it is too large for my taste for CCW. Yea, if just want a powerfull revolver to play with, go for the 44. BIG +1... |
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I wouldn't buy a .38 special revolver and limit yourself to just shooting .38 specials.
They are making .357 mags revolvers now that are just a small as .38 special revolvers. My wife has a Ruger SP101 with 2 1/4 inch barrel. She shoots .38 specials for practice and keeps .357 mags in it for defense. The .357 mags are a handful but its not punishing with the Hogue grip. I find myself carrying her SP101 more often than my Para P12. Its more comfortable and easier to conceal. .357 mag is a very good self defense round. . |
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Tactically (to use a word that's now cliche), you won't be "moving up" in the world by going from a higher capacity Glock in 9mm to a revolver, for many reasons.
And, as stated above, .357mag>9mm>.38spl. If your goal is more "power", the choice is .357mag. You'd be taking a step backwards by going with .38spl, according to your stated goals. Now my BUG is J-frame sized (Taurus 650), it IS .357mag, but it's all steel. At 24 ounces, it's no problem to shoot. I love the thing. And I'm aware that it's only a marginal advantage to be launching .357mag out of a 2 inch barrel. It is more velocity than .38spl, but not by as much as if it were a 4 or 6 incher. My primary is a 9mm. I'm very confident in it's "stopping power", as well as my ability to deliver rapid multiple hits to the center of my target (17 rnds onboard), which is the MOST important thing, I believe. Stick with that 9mm. No reason not to. |
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Buy the .357 & shoot 38s. Have options. This. Personally I'd rather have a steel 357 as I like the extra weight. Anyway the comments about a glock 29 are good too. Friend bought one after shooting my glock 20. I've shots his 29 a bunch and it is a nice little gun. |
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So I am wanting to go up in power from my 9mm glocks. 10mm.... 357 power in a nice tight package with plenty of capacity. eta: you mentioned 29. what a sweet sweet little piece; it's my daily carry. I carry mine with night sights and a Pearce extension for my little pinky and it's one of the most comfortable, nicest shooting guns i have. i love it, easy to conceal but big enough to hold it's own. |
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The answer is 357 you can shoot both 38 & 357 from that chambering.
For CCW a 66 or 19 with less than a 4 in barrel Or stop listening to the Jframes in 357 hurt, and get a 60 in 357 and learn they are nice, and easy to carry. A properly loaded 30+p is equal to a good 9mm load. |
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Why not just increase the power of your 9mm and shoot +p or +p+ ammo?? You would have about the same power as the .357 snub but with less noise, muzzle flash and less kick, many more rounds and faster reloads????
You do realize that 9mm and .357/.38 are the same caliber? The .357 snub looses much velocity in its heavy loadings out of snub barrels. The fastest loads in .357 rely on slow burning powders and longer barrels to acheive their velocity. If you don't want to spend the $ for +p 9mm ammo and want more energy with standard loads the .40 would give you more power. THen there is the 10mm but its only an improvement over the .40 with ammo that is loaded to true 10mm specs like The doubletap brand. |
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9mm out of a 4" barrel is going to be about the same as a .357 out of a 1 7/8" barrel. .357 Magnum just sounds so powerful though and 9mm sounds so wimpy... your friends will think you're a real man when you tell'em you're packing a .357 MAGNUM. However, a .357 J Frame is going to be similar to a 5 shot Glock 19 with super slow reloads but with a little edge reliability-wise.
As for .38 vs. .357, IMO, there is an advantage to going with the magnum if you can handle the extra recoil and blast. According to Speer's Gold Dot site .357 is going push the same weight bullet about 15% faster out of a 1 7/8" barrel than .38 +P. The difference becomes much more dramatic though out of a longer barrel. A quick search turned up this from Federals site (barrel length isn't specified): Velocity in Feet per Second Load No Caliber Muzzle P38HS1 38 Special +P 950FPS PD357HS2H 357 Magnum 1410FPS Speer's site shows similar results and they specify a 4" test barrel. That's nearly a 50% increase in velocity and will result in well over 50% increase in ft/lbs. I know FPS and ft/lbs aren't the be all, end all determiner of a bullet's effectiveness but there is definitely a corelation between higher ft/lbs and the effectiveness of a bullet. Despite the Internet lore of how impossible it is to shoot a Scandium/Ti .357 J Frame I have lots of first hand experience with my 340PD and I'm confident in my ability with it. Is it fun and comfortable to shoot? Heck no! However, I can rapid fire 5 rounds with reasonable accuracy at 15 feet and can score solid hits well beyond that with slower fire. I can fire it one handed with both my strong and weak hands and I'm not some hulking bodybuilder. It's a gun that is designed to be carried a lot and shot a little. It's amazingly light and fits in a front pant pocket easily without sagging my pants down. All that being said, I'd rather have any Glock with me if the SHTF. 5 rounds and a slow reload isn't the kind of thing I'm comfortable with unless I don't have an option. LIke tonight; I went bowling with my family and a fullsize IWB pistol just isn't going to work for me. I had the 340 in my front pocket, a couple of speed loaders and a P3AT in my back pocket. YMMMV, just my $0.02, etc. 
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The answer is 357 you can shoot both 38 & 357 from that chambering. For CCW a 66 or 19 with less than a 4 in barrel Good advice. If you want something that will be a good fun gun as well, pick up any 4" K frame .357 or better yet a 3" Model 65 or 66 if you can find one. I like the K frame smiths as far as wheelguns go. The 4" K frames balance great and point like the finger of God. They are not for constant .357 use, and especially not the hot 125 grain loads. My understanding is that .357 can be found hotter than 9mm +P out of service sized weapons but does overpenetrate. |