Posted: 8/23/2013 4:17:31 PM EDT
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Revolver or auto? If revolver, load all but 1-2 holes with live ammo & spin cylinder & close it. Proceed to shoot gun & watch for flinch on empty cases/chambers.
Some autos won't feed empty cases, so snap-caps might work here in the same way. As for eliminating the flinch, the best way is to drop down in caliber, even if you have to do .22LR. Is the flinch from hand pain, noise or what? |
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When I was a kid, 10-12, I had an old single shot .22 rifle that didn't have a firing pin in it, sooooooooooooo I used a nail in place of it. Well sometimes it would throw sparks back in my face when it did fire so I would close my eyes just before I pulled the trigger. I developed a flinch that I thought I would never get rid of, but I finally did, it takes determination .
Like has been said dry firing on random empty chambers or snap caps will help. |
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no hand pain. just jerking and flinching a little. i know snap caps, dry fire, and practice practice practice are all good and highly recommended, wondering if anyone knew any other good tricks or things to work on. Have someone else load a couple of mags for you with 1-2 snap caps mixed in somewhere. Practice lots of dry fire, both at home and at the range. If you're using a pistol with a flat slide, stack some quarters near the front sight post and practice dry firing without disturbing them. Also make sure you're not slapping the trigger (keep the trigger captured after the shot and slowly let it reset). |
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As for eliminating the flinch, the best way is to drop down in caliber, even if you have to do .22LR. That didn't work well for me. I had a flinch with my 9mm, so I dropped to a .22LR. No flinch with the .22LR, but still did it with the 9mm. Then I got a 10mm. My 9mm flinch went away. :-) I have a very slight flinch with the 10mm, but it's intermittent and the 10mm punishes me when it happens, so I expect it'll work itself out in short order with more practice. |
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What helped me the most was intense focus on calling the shot (double plugging, muffs and ear plugs, plus good protective eyewear also help).
Basically, line up the sights, press the trigger and direct all of your attention to watching the front sight through the recoil. This focus will help you learn not to blink at the wrong time, allows you to see if you are pushing shots low, as you can watch the front sight dip. It also will let you experiment with your grip so you can get the sights to realign properly after breaking a shot. If you find yourself squinting or tensing before the shot, relax your face and body and scientifically observe the sights through recoil. Your goal is to see the sights at the exact instant the shot breaks, and through to the next sight picture. Eventually it becomes second nature, and you will be able to know where your shot landed based on your read of the sights as opposed to looking downrange at the target. Brian Enos's book is highly recommended. Mixing dummy rounds in with live ammo has never worked for me, as I contract my forearms muscles in order to manage recoil, and so the gun dips when the shot doesn't go off. The difference between recoil management and a flinch is the group size and location. I put them where I want them, but mix in a dud and I'll nosedive every time. I think Brian addresses this in his book. Brian's forum is also an excellent resource for pistol shooters, especially the USPSA/IPSC/Steel Challenge types. Some great shooters have overcome terrible flinching problems, just takes a little work. |
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Snap caps help me the most. I start off every shooting session with snap caps.
I haven't been able to shoot much recently, so it really is a diminishing skill. Going to a lower caliber does not help with flinching in my opinion. In fact I attribute shooting a good deal of 22LR to my flinching issue. |
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Loading with snap caps can help uncover a flinch but won't do much about it.
The thing that helps me the most is relaxing my trigger hand grip as much as possible and increasing the grip strength with the support hand. Your grip is involuntarily tightening when you pull the trigger, pushing the gun off target. I tell myself the support hand is pointing and moving the gun, and the trigger hand is just along for the ride and does nothing except pull the trigger. |
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Loading with snap caps can help uncover a flinch but won't do much about it. The thing that helps me the most is relaxing my trigger hand grip as much as possible and increasing the grip strength with the support hand. Your grip is involuntarily tightening when you pull the trigger, pushing the gun off target. I tell myself the support hand is pointing and moving the gun, and the trigger hand is just along for the ride and does nothing except pull the trigger. Once you start doing this you will wonder why you didnt think of it sooner, easy fix and it works. |
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Mix a couple of plastic training rounds somewhere in every magazine coupled with dry fire practice.
It will take time but you can un-learn your bad habits. Practice in short sessions VERY often. After 50 rounds you are warmed up. How you actually shoot is represented in the first 5-10 rounds. You can shoot longer training sessions for practice but your base line is that first 5-10 IMHO |
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how do you deal with it? whats some good ways to eliminate it (other than dry fire)? if I catch myself developing a flinch I go get the 45 LC or 44 mag and shoot 20 rounds or so there is no flinch with smaller calibers after you acclimatize yourself to real recoil. I o the same with rifles get a 12, 10 ga or a 375 H&H that makes you feel rael dumb flinching on 223. |
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Take your time. Lack of patience causes me to pull the shot. Stop when you're tired. A lot of guys get to the range and just start blasting away. honestly, i think thats part of the problem. not all, but part. i noticed that i was going through mags a lot faster than my gf was and that the first one or two were good but as i got deeper in the mag, theyd go farther down and left. i need to shoot, relax, take a couple seconds, focus on good sight picture then shoot. |
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Quoted: no hand pain. just jerking and flinching a little. i know snap caps, dry fire, and practice practice practice are all good and highly recommended, wondering if anyone knew any other good tricks or things to work on. Are you afraid of the gun? Does the little bang make you scared? Or is the gun your bitch? It's up to you.
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Are you afraid of the gun? Does the little bang make you scared? Or is the gun your bitch? It's up to you. Quoted:
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no hand pain. just jerking and flinching a little. i know snap caps, dry fire, and practice practice practice are all good and highly recommended, wondering if anyone knew any other good tricks or things to work on. Are you afraid of the gun? Does the little bang make you scared? Or is the gun your bitch? It's up to you. chill out man. shot handguns a whopping 4 sessions totaling approx 400 rounds across 4 years. just getting started in the handgun shooting game. not like ive shot them a lot. but thanks for the sound advice smh |
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You flinch because you're scared. Do all the drills you want, but the problem is in your head. gusn epitomize several inate ffears, loud noises and shit moving towards your face double your ear pro--muffs and plugs; suppressor, lower calibers/lower recoilign; practice (proper) dont dry pactice til you know proper technique |