Posted: 9/9/2006 4:51:05 PM EDT
| Ok, I feel stupid for asking. I own two glocks currently and have two more on the wish list. I attended the glock armorer course back in 2002 before I started deploying all over the damn planet. Every once in a while, from somewhere, I hear quiet rumors of glocks going Kaboom. Is this an urban legend, something I need to worry about, or what? |
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I beleive the Glock Kaboom thing was with .40 caliber pistols right now I can't remember the reasoning for it but honestly it is not something I would worry about. The .40 caliber Glock is becoming one of the biggest changes in LE. A ton of LE are getting rid of their 9mm for the .40. If something was terribly wrong with it I doubt all of these LE agencies would go to it and I'm sure Glock would make sure whatever problem there might have been is fixed. Also alot of the stories you hear are almost always overblown and made to sound worse than what it really is, just keep that in mind. In my opinion I would have zero problems buying a Glock in any caliber. They are a great hadngun if not the best. good luck!! |
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i had my 40 glock go kaboom. seems the case wall wasnt supported and/or the pressure was too high when the case was being extracted and the case wall failed to contain the power. the extraxtor is still going, the right side of the frame cracked all the way to the bottom of my left thumb. [lefyt] the hoague slip on finger grove grips took most of the burn. the magazine was ejected straight down and remained intact. i called glock. they replaced the frame at a very reasonable price.door to door turn around was about 3 weeks. i take full responsibility for the event. and still shoot the glock.i did give glock the case and the load, they didnt reply, id give the load but then you may do the same. years, before this happened there was the rumor that glocks were going auto or dumping multiple rounds w/ a single trigger pull. the story i heard was an oregon cop fired on a felon and fired once and emptied the mag...oops.. my original was a pre-oct 92 date and it did multi fire on 3 occasion in a night, during a club action pistol night.. we took it off the line. i went to the local gun shop and used the same ammo and went thru 400 rds and couldnt duplicate the multi fire. then i read a story about whispers of the g22 .. i called glock and the nice lady said send it in. it was returned in 3 weeks w/ the box marked "UPDATED' the invoice showed a complete fire control system replaced w/ "plated parts".. i immediately took it to the range and fire 900 rounds as fast as i could load mags.. i actually had to take a time out to cool me off. and the barrel stood upright on its muzzel as i hosed off..no problems untill the catrosphic dissassemble mentioned above .i currently own walther p99QA,and 2 hk usp all in 40..the glock stays. the rest can go reluctantly tho.. |
| There's a lot more legend than truth in that whole thing. There is a small space at the base of the casing inside the chamber/barrel. If too hot a reload is used (which Glock does not recommend any reloads) then the casing can fail. This is only the .40 caliber models. It is more internet legend than truth, but does happen on rare occasions. |
Glock 10mm. The only 10mm that will last with real 10mm......................... I have seen Glock .45 KB's posted. I don't think they are at any greater rate than 1911 .45 KB's. Glocks don't like unjacketed rounds. People use unjacketed rounds and act surprised when they get a KB. It's like using 87 octane in one of those cars marked 93 octane, then wondering why the car doesn't have as much power as it should, and it pinging. |
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There IS a problem with the polygonal rifled barrel in the Glock and in some other autos. This rifling collects lead from lead bullets for some reason-- LOTS faster than a cut or rifled barrel. This accumulation will cause extremely high pressures when you shoot through it, causing the dreaded KABOOM! |
The problem is using ammo that is unsutable for the gun. The poly/hexy rifling gives a better gas seal. It also is lower friction that traditional rilfling. Both of which mean that a Glock handgun will give slightly higher velocity than the exact same load fired out of a traditionally rifled barrel, that is the same lenght. The Glock rifling also deform the bullet jacket less than traditional rifling, which some clame had a beneficial effect on accuracy. |
I've seen Glocks in .40 & .45 that have kaboomed with factory jacketed ammo. Glocks by design can fire out of battery which will end in the dreaded Kaboom. In 30 years of shooting the only 1911 I've ever seen Kaboom was from an overcharged reload. While many Glockophiles will defend thier beloved Glock 40's and 45's to the death I don't trust them and the Only Glock I still own is in 9mm. Never have I even heard of a 9mm Kabooming. 
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Find us a link of Glock 10mm KB'ing...................... I won't get a .40. I also don't want to get a .45 GAP. .45 ACP I've had 21/21/30 for years......................... |
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WOW ! ! ! Firing a live round behind a squib load has nothing to do with the design of the weapon.
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and how many of these KB!s that you love to point out are from out of battery firing? |
All three........ G22, G23 & G21. All three using factory new jacketed ammunition with case head ruptures. A little lite reading for ya......... www.thegunzone.com/glock/dimples.html
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and how incredibly dirty were these things? and are you 100% sure it wasn't out of spec ammo? did they ride the slide forward on the roud? |
Urban legend perpetuated by Glock haters. |
ah so you cannot back up your position and edit it to go with the typical glock hater bullshit fallback. ok, thanks for destroying your own point for me. |
 ......... think what you want, scream NOOOOOOOOO it ain't so into the night if it makes you happy. I care not.
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G23. Shoot for 10 years. Thousands of rounds through it. Only "kaboom" I've had is the kind I want, after every single trigger pull. Sent it back to Glock for inspection and they completly rebuilt it.....for free. Hi, I'm Treehuggr and I'm a Glock shooter.....for life. |
+1 No probs for my 23, as well. "1911 ONLY" radicals can quote from their most holy of websites "The Gun Zone" all they want, it doesn't change the facts. Glocks are the most reliable and widely used pistolas around. |
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I personally witnessed a case failure on a G23 at my gun range one time during a shoot. After he pulled the trigger the case failed resulting in the magazine being blown out, the extractor flying off (caused by the gases pushing the extractor plunger back and since the FPS was being depressed by the trigger bar, the extractor flew out). His hand was a little sore, no cuts. He had a spare extractor so he put his gun back together and finished the rest of the shoot. |
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Being a Glock 40 owner, and a limited class racer using the 40's, I will make this simple for you guys. The Glock 40 bottom section of the chamber does not support the case; hence the feed ramp section on the bottom of the barrel is deeper than the case web when a 40 is loaded/locked into the chamber. With standard loaded rounds using brand new cases, the case it's self will hold as long as the barrel is not beyond fouled, and creates addition pressures beyond the normal working ones (read lead fouling, even from just jacket bullets with open bases). Now because of the above point, the fact that some of the pistols are fired well into the thousands of round counts without barrel cleanings, and that some of the departments do issue/allow +p ammo for service, having a Glock 40 blow a case is not out of the question. For the most point, the barrel does not split unless there is some sort of chain reaction, but having the frame mushroom out from the case letting go is the end result. Now as I started this post, I am a 40-limited shooter, and yes, I load fast burning powder in the high pressures range to achieve MPF with little recoil. But, these loads are being used in fully supported chambers, and fully understand that if I were to try to use these loads in the Glock, it would destroy the pistol since without the full case support, the case is going to let loose. So how does this all tie back into the topic at hand, Most of the Glock that have been destroyed from case failures have been from one of the three, 1. Ammo reloaded too hot for the pistol, ether by hand loading, or through the use of factory +P ammo. 2. Failure to keep the barrel clean, through either shooting lead bullets (or leading through the use of open base jacket bullets), or copper guilding to the extreme, causing the working pressures of the ammo/barrel to be much higher than normal. 3. The use of fired cases that are at the end of their usable range in regards to hand loading, and them letting go, even at normal working ammo/barrel pressures. So what is the real moral of this story? Well when Glock recommends that you shoot standard jacketed factory loaded ammo in the pistols, and do not shot lead bullets they really mean it. If you are not going to heed their warning and shoot reloaded ammo in the 40 Glock, remember the limitations of the pistol due to the chamber not being fully supported, and do not venture into the thinking process that since the load works great in my ramped-fully supported chamber 1911 race gun, surly the load will work in the Glock. Simply, it is easy to blow up about any firearm with an improper hand load, but in instances with pistols that do not fully support the case, it is the case itself that is the deciding factor, and in the instances of the KB’s (case failures), it was the portion of the reload equation that was overlooked. Remember, the 40 case is not just a shorted 10mm cases; the 40 is thinner as well and was never designed for the working pressures that the 10mm was meant to achieve. |
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention he was using RELOADS with a really heavy grain bullet, heavier than a normal .40 IIRC. |
First let me say that if the above comment is a dig at Me I damn well give little to what you think. While I am a 1911 Snob I don't belittle other peoples choices, however I don't agree with there assements either. Rather you like "The Gun Zone" or not is immaterial to me as well, I only found that when Looking on the web for instances of 10mm Glock failures as was requested by another poster. Even if "The Gun Zone" is as you claim it to be it doesn't negate the three glocks that I've personaly seen fail. Have a nice day and may your Glock not blow up in your hand
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Uh huh. That's why you've been directing scathing posts towards myself and others here. Gotcha.
You're entitled to your opinion, as we all are. Just quit using your personal experiences as the end all truth, case closed, while being antagonistic and belittling others, which is how you've been coming across in this thread (to put it nicely...).
Brilliant. More scathing remarks. Well at least your consistent. Good Bye... |
+1 Excellent post! |
Jesus Christ man try growing up. 
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So in one thread we have 3 different people have KB's and one go full-auto with reports of one going FA during a fire-fight.. You can't use reloads no unjacketed bullets and the gun can fire out of battery!
I thought Glocks never required cleaning? |
No, that is just a urban legend started by someone that had a chance to look at the majority of LEO carried Glocks, not cleaned since they qualified with the weapon years back, and since it didn't jam then, or the last umpteen years of qualifing as well, the whole cleaning idea it can be put off for a few more years until "It really needs it".  |
Hey, it's a Glock not an AK. |
Fine with me. Leaves more real weapons for those of us that aren't  . As said by someone earlier in this post, clean the gun, use factory jacketed ammo, and all these KB's will be something you may hear about but you will never experience. |
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of course you don't care, you're just a troll with moderator status, you get off on this sort of stuff. |
you're right, it probably would be useless, you don't see me running around the 1911 forum stirring shit up there do you? even though I've built a few 1911s (more than the vast majority of members that frequent that forum) and owned a few factory guns, I know a thing or two about them. I don't particularly like them, however I'm not over there causing trouble the likes of which you so enjoy. the hypocrisy that would be required for you to say anything about that would be more than I ever expected out of you. |
 Well it seems that you have developed a personal fixation with me expressing my experiances and opinions. So as not to continue to hijack this thread lets take your personal poblem with me to im. And please feel free to have staff reveiw this thread and determine which of us seems to have the problem.
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