Posted: 10/26/2008 2:31:49 PM EDT
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I have been thinking of doing to my carry gun (30 SF) because there have been a couple of times in quick draw practices that it has actually blocked my finger from getting around the trigger, causing me to be unable to fire quickly. anyone know of an aftermarket trigger that is just like a normal trigger? |
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DO NOT remove the trigger safety. It is there for a reason. The Glock pistol is much less safe without it. Glocks with malfunctioning/non-functioning trigger safeties are considered "deadlined", and unsafe, requiring replacement of the trigger bar assembly. Removing this safety device is a VERY BAD idea. Not opinion, fact. It's there for many reasons. If the loaded, chambered pistol is dropped in such a way that it lands squarely on the back of the slide, the trigger safety keeps the trigger from moving rearward by force of inertia, possibly discharging the pistol. It also prevents a foreign object from snagging the side of the trigger and causing discharge. Do not do this, seriously. |
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Quoted: I have been thinking of doing to my carry gun (30 SF) because there have been a couple of times in quick draw practices that it has actually blocked my finger from getting around the trigger, causing me to be unable to fire quickly. anyone know of an aftermarket trigger that is just like a normal trigger? Removing any safety device from a carry gun is simply begging to lose a civil (and possibly criminal) lawsuit should the gun be used in a shooting, even a rightous shooting. Either practice more or switch to a different gun, sir. My .o2 |
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Quoted: I have been thinking of doing to my carry gun (30 SF) because there have been a couple of times in quick draw practices that it has actually blocked my finger from getting around the trigger, causing me to be unable to fire quickly. anyone know of an aftermarket trigger that is just like a normal trigger? You do NOT want to remove the trigger block mechanism on a weapon with no manual safety and a 5.5 pound trigger. Instead, spend time working on your draw, as it sounds like it resembles a monkey trying to screw a football. |
| You may want to consider a aftermarket glock trigger with a adjustable over travel and pre travel. You can set the pretravel down to the point when the bird head of the trigger bar is just about to touch the safety plunger. This would move the trigger back far enough you can find it more naturally but still have all the safeties and reliability intact. |
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Well there are some things that are really not right about the glock trigger safety. First it's not ergonomic in that it still protrudes when depressed. For some people this gives them the "glock finger" from the safety (blister, callus, or sore spot on trigger finger). the safety should be completely flush when depressed but there is a design flaw why it isn't. That is there is not enough surface engagement to make sure the safety engages unless your really press on it, thus the cheat by making sure it protrudes.
Second the safety is made with a softer polymer than say the frame. Note sure why they did this but the material for the safety is too soft and is susceptible to high heat and harsh chemicals much more than the other polymer parts of the glock. There is no spring in the safety. It just has a little plastic arm that is really thin and does lose tension. The thing is smaller than a toothpick by a 3rd. I'm bias for the Glockworx trigger but the safety is 3x thicker and completely flush when depressed and it actually has a spring. |
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WOW, only one person (Yar1180)w/ a helpful answer.
1st- I am moving fast... its the point of the drill. to draw from the holster (IWB under a shirt) and fire two round into center mass as fast as possible and then fire an aimed shot at the head. I believe it is called the hammer drill and I was shown to me by the range officer at my local indoor range. 2nd problem is not that my fingers are two short or fat. the problem is that when I insert my finger into the trigger guard as i bring the gun out to the target, I end up putting Pressure on the safety at a sidewards direction instead of a rearward direction. thus the gun wont fire because the trigger can not move. 3rd - I do practice as much as my budget allows me to buy ammo. about 400 rounds a month of 45acp. practice is how i learned the hammer drill and how i discovered the problem. so does anyone have any ideas on how to help me solve this problem? an if the solution is to carry another gun, then does anyone have any suggestions for a small 45acp that holds more then 8+1 rounds? if you are as unhelpfull as the following quote, please dont post. Posted By zwvirtual - If 99.9% of the people have no problem with using the Glock trigger, then you're doing something wrong. |
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Sell the glock and use the funds to buy a kahr. No flame intended just my $0.02.
No trigger block safety dohickie and a nice easy sweep of the trigger just like a 642 smith. I had trouble adjusting to a Kahr trigger until I took it and the 642 to the range at the same time. After struggling with the kahr I fired the DAO smith and a light went on. Kahr has exactly the same trigger feel. Dryfire practice will help as well. |
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WOW, only one person (Yar1180)w/ a helpful answer. 1st- I am moving fast... its the point of the drill. If you are moving so fast that you cannot properly operate the trigger of a Glock and must instead find a way of disabling an important safety mechanism, you are moving entirely too fast. THAT is the point of these responses. I was shown to me by the range officer at my local indoor range. I don't know what your local range officer's background or qualifications are. If he's telling you to disable the Glock's trigger block to gain speed, his background and qualifications instantly become suspect. 2nd problem is not that my fingers are two short or fat. the problem is that when I insert my finger into the trigger guard as i bring the gun out to the target, I end up putting Pressure on the safety at a sidewards direction instead of a rearward direction. thus the gun wont fire because the trigger can not move. ...which sounds as if your grip is messed up. You are trying to run before you've learned to crawl here. It's really easy to start out doing the wrong thing, especially if you get bad advice. Sometimes the only way to fix the problem is to go back to square one and START OVER. 3rd - I do practice as much as my budget allows me to buy ammo. about 400 rounds a month of 45acp. practice is how i learned the hammer drill and how i discovered the problem. so does anyone have any ideas on how to help me solve this problem? Yes. Stop doing the "hammer drill" and start doing more basic drills at a sensible pace where you can master acquiring a proper firing grip on the pistol, drawing, and then putting rounds on target. You need to master the basics of the draw through PERFECT REPETITION before you start worrying about the high speed stuff. Do it smooth, do it RIGHT and do it PERFECT before you worry about doing it fast. Most people are inclined to try the go-fast stuff LONG before they are ready. if you are as unhelpfull as the following quote, please dont post. One of the most helpful instructors I ever had looked at me one day on the range and said "You are shooting like ass. Cut it the fuck out and act like you have a fucking brain." He killed people for a living. He knew a hell of a lot more than I did. Rather than get offended, I took his advice to heart and started focusing on the basics and viola! My performance improved dramatically. The bottom line is this: If you're so "fast" that the trigger block on a Glock is in your way, you are doing something terribly wrong. |
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Don't take this the wrong way, but leave it alone or go find another weapon. As a range instructor, I can see what your saying about side loading the safety...it's not the gun or the trigger, it's you. Working fast does not mean not being fluid or using proper technique. Better to learn the mechanics of a good draw, sight picture and trigger aquisition slowly then to do it sloppy and fast...don't jerk the trigger and you shouldn't be taking slack off of the trigger until you have determined that you are going to pull the trigger.
I know the drill, I teach it to the HRT guys on the dept. Besides that, everyone else has to become proficient with proper technique until we do high speed more advanced shooting. There's a lot more to identifying a threat/target before pulling the trigger. Practice that...not how fast you can put 2 center mass and 1 in the head. Give me a break...learn to shoot while moving, when your breathing heavy, in the dark. Ever use a hand held light in your weak hand and perform a reload? Besides, you don't need lots of money to shoot well...it's called dry firing. If you can do that and practice your draw and proper finger placement, you will be able to gradually get faster. Otherwise you are a liability/statistic waiting to happen. You have to learn to crawl before you can walk. YMMV |
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WOW, only one person (Yar1180)w/ a helpful answer. if you are as unhelpfull as the following quote, please dont post. Posted By zwvirtual - If 99.9% of the people have no problem with using the Glock trigger, then you're doing something wrong. Actually we ARE being helpful, sir. By attempting to keep you from the poorhouse with a civil lawsuit (or worse), *I* would be prone to think that was a pretty darn good thing. As none of us really know what your level of experience is on guns in general, suggesting that you simply practice some more isn't any sort of insult, IMO. Speaking of practice, you don't have to actually be live firing to practice. One can indeed achieve wonderful benefits from dry firing. This will allow one to see what the front sight is doing during the trigger pull w/o wasting ammo. No offense, but don't get too serious with the replies, sir. You'll enjoy yourself more in arfcom if you ease up a bit. 
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Quoted: Speaking of practice, you don't have to actually be live firing to practice. One can indeed achieve wonderful benefits from dry firing. This will allow one to see what the front sight is doing during the trigger pull w/o wasting ammo. Exactly... you can use this Dry Fire tool and "fire" at your computer monitor for practice... Like I said in my first post (not sure if you considered it helpful or not) you need to practice what you are doing SLOWLY before you try to go fast. |
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Guys, let the guy shoot himself. Depending on how he draws anyway. Also let me know what range and when hes going so he WONT SHOOT ME!
My dad was drinking and was doing his quick draws in the bathroom mirror. What a stupid thing, drinking and guns. Anyway he shot a hole through the wall and into the fridge. My mom was so embarrassed when the ice maker repair dude came to fix it! Just tell this cowboy what he wants. You should all know a fool never listens. This guy will be in the news. |
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WOW, only one person (Yar1180)w/ a helpful answer. 1st- I am moving fast... its the point of the drill. to draw from the holster (IWB under a shirt) and fire two round into center mass as fast as possible and then fire an aimed shot at the head. I believe it is called the hammer drill and I was shown to me by the range officer at my local indoor range. 2nd problem is not that my fingers are two short or fat. the problem is that when I insert my finger into the trigger guard as i bring the gun out to the target, I end up putting Pressure on the safety at a sidewards direction instead of a rearward direction. thus the gun wont fire because the trigger can not move. 3rd - I do practice as much as my budget allows me to buy ammo. about 400 rounds a month of 45acp. practice is how i learned the hammer drill and how i discovered the problem. so does anyone have any ideas on how to help me solve this problem? an if the solution is to carry another gun, then does anyone have any suggestions for a small 45acp that holds more then 8+1 rounds? if you are as unhelpfull as the following quote, please dont post. Posted By zwvirtual - If 99.9% of the people have no problem with using the Glock trigger, then you're doing something wrong. This dude needs to drop his 'tude. John_Wayne777 and R850R are on the money with their free advise, and have much more patience than I. I have nothing more to add. |
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WOW, only one person (Yar1180)w/ a helpful answer. 1st- I am moving fast... its the point of the drill. to draw from the holster (IWB under a shirt) and fire two round into center mass as fast as possible and then fire an aimed shot at the head. I believe it is called the hammer drill and I was shown to me by the range officer at my local indoor range. 2nd problem is not that my fingers are two short or fat. the problem is that when I insert my finger into the trigger guard as i bring the gun out to the target, I end up putting Pressure on the safety at a sidewards direction instead of a rearward direction. thus the gun wont fire because the trigger can not move. 3rd - I do practice as much as my budget allows me to buy ammo. about 400 rounds a month of 45acp. practice is how i learned the hammer drill and how i discovered the problem. so does anyone have any ideas on how to help me solve this problem? an if the solution is to carry another gun, then does anyone have any suggestions for a small 45acp that holds more then 8+1 rounds? if you are as unhelpfull as the following quote, please dont post. Posted By zwvirtual - If 99.9% of the people have no problem with using the Glock trigger, then you're doing something wrong. This dude needs to drop his 'tude. John_Wayne777 and R850R are on the money with their free advise, and have much more patience than I. I have nothing more to add. My apologies! I should not have typed the 1sr line of my last reply! after reading what has been posted since, I have a much better understanding of what I am being told. as for everything else I typed, I just wanted to better enplane my problem in hopes off getting more accurate advice. my range officer did not advise me to do anything to the gun. It was a thought of my own one that I was only thinking about, but will not go through with. he is an NRA instructor and local police officer with many years of exp. my question about another firearm like my G30 was sincere. I was thinking 1911, but don't know of any that small in size and carry more then 7 rounds. thanks for the advise on the khar, i will look into it. any other thoughts? i will spent time reviewing my basics and I will then work my way back up to the hammer. and I will give serious effort to slowing it down and letting speed come naturally. thanks. |
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WOW, only one person (Yar1180)w/ a helpful answer. 1st- I am moving fast... its the point of the drill. to draw from the holster (IWB under a shirt) and fire two round into center mass as fast as possible and then fire an aimed shot at the head. I believe it is called the hammer drill and I was shown to me by the range officer at my local indoor range. 2nd problem is not that my fingers are two short or fat. the problem is that when I insert my finger into the trigger guard as i bring the gun out to the target, I end up putting Pressure on the safety at a sidewards direction instead of a rearward direction. thus the gun wont fire because the trigger can not move. 3rd - I do practice as much as my budget allows me to buy ammo. about 400 rounds a month of 45acp. practice is how i learned the hammer drill and how i discovered the problem. so does anyone have any ideas on how to help me solve this problem? an if the solution is to carry another gun, then does anyone have any suggestions for a small 45acp that holds more then 8+1 rounds? if you are as unhelpfull as the following quote, please dont post. Posted By zwvirtual - If 99.9% of the people have no problem with using the Glock trigger, then you're doing something wrong. This dude needs to drop his 'tude. John_Wayne777 and R850R are on the money with their free advise, and have much more patience than I. I have nothing more to add. +1 all WE can do is provide some insight/advice...OP or anyone else does NOT have to take it just dont bitch at us b/c you think we arent trying to be "helpful" or have good intentions 
ETA: just my opinion, and like i aready said, NO ONE has to listen or take it...: keep the glock––its reliable; its what you have; it seems that you like it work on the techniques and fundamentals...go from there YMMV |
| I agree with others. Sit/stand there and watch TV after work and draw/dry fire drill with no obstruction, then a shirt, then a jacket etc. Do it until you're doing it successfully every time and not even thinking about it. Do it until it is as fast as possible but still with positive grip and positive trigger use. You'll also start to find your aim/point shooting ability to increase. Good luck! |
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WOW, only one person (Yar1180)w/ a helpful answer. 1st- I am moving fast... its the point of the drill. to draw from the holster (IWB under a shirt) and fire two round into center mass as fast as possible and then fire an aimed shot at the head. I believe it is called the hammer drill and I was shown to me by the range officer at my local indoor range. 2nd problem is not that my fingers are two short or fat. the problem is that when I insert my finger into the trigger guard as i bring the gun out to the target, I end up putting Pressure on the safety at a sidewards direction instead of a rearward direction. thus the gun wont fire because the trigger can not move. 3rd - I do practice as much as my budget allows me to buy ammo. about 400 rounds a month of 45acp. practice is how i learned the hammer drill and how i discovered the problem. so does anyone have any ideas on how to help me solve this problem? an if the solution is to carry another gun, then does anyone have any suggestions for a small 45acp that holds more then 8+1 rounds? if you are as unhelpfull as the following quote, please dont post. Posted By zwvirtual - If 99.9% of the people have no problem with using the Glock trigger, then you're doing something wrong. They were being helpful, VERY HELPFUL The more I think about your question , I need to know some more info, You are talking about Airsoft.............right ??? |
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WOW, only one person (Yar1180)w/ a helpful answer. 1st- I am moving fast... its the point of the drill. to draw from the holster (IWB under a shirt) and fire two round into center mass as fast as possible and then fire an aimed shot at the head. I believe it is called the hammer drill and I was shown to me by the range officer at my local indoor range. 2nd problem is not that my fingers are two short or fat. the problem is that when I insert my finger into the trigger guard as i bring the gun out to the target, I end up putting Pressure on the safety at a sidewards direction instead of a rearward direction. thus the gun wont fire because the trigger can not move. 3rd - I do practice as much as my budget allows me to buy ammo. about 400 rounds a month of 45acp. practice is how i learned the hammer drill and how i discovered the problem. so does anyone have any ideas on how to help me solve this problem? an if the solution is to carry another gun, then does anyone have any suggestions for a small 45acp that holds more then 8+1 rounds? if you are as unhelpfull as the following quote, please dont post. Posted By zwvirtual - If 99.9% of the people have no problem with using the Glock trigger, then you're doing something wrong. They were being helpful, VERY HELPFUL The more I think about your question , I need to know some more info, You are talking about Airsoft.............right ??? Ouch!  I suppose I deserved that.
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Shadow870,
you have a fine weapon there, and you really should consider taking a serious class to devolop the techniques. In the long run, it will save you time, and money. when Iwas 20 I saved for a handgun, and had it paid off months before I turned 21. I would go in the shop to fondle my pistol, and realized I really didn't know much about handguns. I saved for many months and the summer I turned 21 I went to be a student in Jeff Coopers class. I come from a poor family in Florida, and knew my truck would not make it out west, and I was super low on cash. I hopped a greyhound buss with a .45, a backpack, and 1200 rounds of .45 in a dillon precision bag. the first day of the class more than paid for itself. Jeff showed us how to properly graps the pistol, proper sight allignment, trigger control, and many more basic skills. It is better to learn the proper way the first time, rather than to break old bad habbits later. It truly is worthwhile to take a class from a top notch instructior. I do not know your rangemaster, but I have known many. Most not...well....smart. good luck, and happy shooting! Danomite! good luck, |
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It is better to learn the proper way the first time, rather than to break old bad habbits later.
I cannot emphasize that statement enough. It is damn expensive to remove bad habits. There is nothing more expensive thant blind self-instruction. It is like trying to build a house without tools. This is an exmple of what somebody means when they say: "You don't know what you dont know." |