Posted: 2/4/2009 12:46:10 AM EDT
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hey guys, i'm considering a sub 2000 that accepts G17 mags
I kinda want a concealable rifle who has one? how happy are you with it? how reliable is it? i'm kind of concerned with the durability of the sights, I understand a aftermarket front sight can be obtained but the rear site really concerns me, it looks cheap. just looking for some info before the gunshow friday |
| I have the same one your looking for. If you pick one up make sure you get some G18 and G17 mags to. Mine has been 100% reliable with all ammo, ball and HP. There's a company called Blue Force Gear that makes some aftermarket stuff for the Sub2000 including a front sight. Haven't seen anything for the rear though. Mine is all stock except for the add-on forearm rail from Kel-Tec. I like to keep it light and handy. It folds up very small to fit in all sorts of everyday cases. Accuracy is excellent at 25yards. One thing to remember, when folded up for storage, do not pull the trigger. It can be a mess to get it back to function and is a non issue as long as you remember this. I've seen people stick so much stuff on these Sub2000s that they might as well get an AR. I'd say keep it simple and you'll love it. Break it in will ball nose and you'll be fine. I've had no problems with all types of weights of bullets but have heard some of the Sub2000s don't cycle fully with the lighter 115gr. Rounds. Not a problem in mine though. Oh yea,when adjusting the front sight be sure not to over tighten the screws as its only a piece of dayglow in there and requires you to loosen one screw and tighten the other. All in all a great carbine that can fill so many applications. |
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I have the same one your looking for. If you pick one up make sure you get some G18 and G17 mags to. Mine has been 100% reliable with all ammo, ball and HP. There's a company called Blue Force Gear that makes some aftermarket stuff for the Sub2000 including a front sight. Haven't seen anything for the rear though. Mine is all stock except for the add-on forearm rail from Kel-Tec. I like to keep it light and handy. It folds up very small to fit in all sorts of everyday cases. Accuracy is excellent at 25yards. One thing to remember, when folded up for storage, do not pull the trigger. It can be a mess to get it back to function and is a non issue as long as you remember this. I've seen people stick so much stuff on these Sub2000s that they might as well get an AR. I'd say keep it simple and you'll love it. Break it in will ball nose and you'll be fine. I've had no problems with all types of weights of bullets but have heard some of the Sub2000s don't cycle fully with the lighter 115gr. Rounds. Not a problem in mine though. Oh yea,when adjusting the front sight be sure not to over tighten the screws as its only a piece of dayglow in there and requires you to loosen one screw and tighten the other. All in all a great carbine that can fill so many applications. +1 to most of what was said in this post. I too have the same one you're looking for and love it. You'll have no regrets. |
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I have a Sub 2000 that takes G17 mags. And yes, I would highly recommend it. Particularly the G17 version, because it can also use readily available, 33-round Glock 18 mags.
IMHO, Kel-tec's rifles are much better than their pistols. My Subbie has been 100% reliable, and it's also surprisingly accurate with the cheapo plastic sites. At 50 yards, I can pick-off clay targets incredibly fast with the Sub 2000. Much faster than I can with any other rifle I own. The small size of the Subbie makes it quick handling. It's also simply a fun gun to shoot. I know "fun" is a subjective thing, but everyone who shoots my Subbie gets an ear-to-ear grin each time, without fail. It's easily the most fun gun I have. Also, recoil is virtually non-existent. And the fact that it folds is just an added bonus. This would be a nice gun to place in a backpack when hiking. As for it feeling "cheap", I have to admit that it does sorta have that "cheap" feel to it. But Kel-tecs, in general, have a cheap feeling to them. And while this is true, I have no loss of confidence that my Subbie will perform when it needs to. I would most certainly trust it for serious purposes like home defense, if necessary. And I have no worries that the thing will break or fall apart from even heavy use. So I guess the "cheap" feel isn't all that important. BTW, RaynoEleven is incorrect in saying the Subbie is as cheap as you'll get in a pistol caliber carbine. The Hi-Point Carbine is cheaper by at least $100. I've owned one of these Hi-Points too, and it was also an accurate, reliable, good little carbine. And unlike the Kel-tec, the Hi-Point was built like a tank. I sold it though, simply because hi-cap mags were not available. Aside from that issue though, I can highly recommend the Hi-Point carbine, too. But overall, the Kel-tec is the nicer and more refined of the two. Imho, the Kel-tec is worth the extra $100-$150, mostly due to the fact that it folds and takes hi-cap mags. Yes, get a Sub 2000! Fair warning though: They can be hard to find. Usually, you'll see them available for a couple months. Then, there will be none available for months at a time. This is because Kel-tec does not manufacture each of its guns all year long. And this cyclic manufacturing manifests itself in the form of not being able to find certain Kel-tec models at certains times of the year. So if you see a G17 subbie, jump on it! Don't think, "I'll get one next time I come to the gun show." 'Cause there might not be any next time around! |
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I've seen people stick so much stuff on these Sub2000s that they might as well get an AR. I'd say keep it simple and you'll love it. Yes, I know exactly what you mean! It seems like some people go out of their way to see how ridiculous they can make their Sub2000 appear. Then they post a picture for the adoring fanboy masses, who all gush at what a "tactical" Sub2000 some bubba has created. Unfortunately, most of the time, plain ol' "stupid looking" would be far more accurate than "tactical". Really folks...your Subbie doesn't need a $500 EOTech, two lasers, three flashlights and some misc. parts off of the 1978 Vega parked in your front yard. |
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I've seen people stick so much stuff on these Sub2000s that they might as well get an AR. I'd say keep it simple and you'll love it. Yes, I know exactly what you mean! It seems like some people go out of their way to see how ridiculous they can make their Sub2000 appear. Then they post a picture for the adoring fanboy masses, who all gush at what a "tactical" Sub2000 some bubba has created. Unfortunately, most of the time, plain ol' "stupid looking" would be far more accurate than "tactical". Really folks...your Subbie doesn't need a $500 EOTech, two lasers, three flashlights and some misc. parts off of the 1978 Vega parked in your front yard. A couple of things I would recommend are the following: Hogue slip on grip Foregrip rail and a stubby-type vertical foregrip |
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I have a Subby in the Glock .40 flavor. I put on the BFG front sight, but it was so tight I needed to put it on with a pnuematic press. It groups well, and shoots easy, but it shoots way off to the left. If I force the front sight off center to adjust it to shoot straight, I think I will lose my folding/locking capability. I plan on taking the rear sight to a nearby machinist, to see if he could reproduce a metal one that is adjustable for windage.
The only other add ons I have is the buffer (to lighten the recoil), and the neoprene cover for the stock/tube for a more comfortable cheekweld. Oh yeah, right now it is wearing a Lasermax uni-max, for possible indoor use. 
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I have a Subby in the Glock .40 flavor. I put on the BFG front sight, but it was so tight I needed to put it on with a pnuematic press. It groups well, and shoots easy, but it shoots way off to the left. If I force the front sight off center to adjust it to shoot straight, I think I will lose my folding/locking capability. I plan on taking the rear sight to a nearby machinist, to see if he could reproduce a metal one that is adjustable for windage. The only other add ons I have is the buffer (to lighten the recoil), and the neoprene cover for the stock/tube for a more comfortable cheekweld. Oh yeah, right now it is wearing a Lasermax uni-max, for possible indoor use. Can we see a pic? |
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Nice! Let us know how it goes with the adjustable metal rear sight. |
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I emailed them yesterday and I just got a reply back saying that they make them year round, not in batches or "certain times of the year". I've got my dealer hunting for one for me now. That must be something new with them, because I know for a fact that they have not always made the Sub 2000 year-round. In years past, they simply didn't have the manufacturing capacity. I'm shocked that prices are close to $500 now! I think I paid $329 for my G17 Subbie about three years ago. |
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I emailed them yesterday and I just got a reply back saying that they make them year round, not in batches or "certain times of the year". I've got my dealer hunting for one for me now. That must be something new with them, because I know for a fact that they have not always made the Sub 2000 year-round. In years past, they simply didn't have the manufacturing capacity. I'm shocked that prices are close to $500 now! I think I paid $329 for my G17 Subbie about three years ago. This is what I sent to them: "I had heard that you make the sub 2000 rifles in "batches" about once a year which makes them scarce to find and people charge a significant premiuim as well because of this. Are you planning to make a batch of them in the near future? If so can you tell me approximately when they'll be going out to dealers?" And this was the reply from "Bill" @ Kel-Tec: "Thank you for your email. No, we do not make them in batches. They are in production at all times." Not calling you a liar I'm just posting this for people to see. Since they make them fulltime I wonder why they are so scarce and why such a markup on them. |
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Appreciate the info, preemptive. If your FFL finds one, and there's an extra, could you pass on the info? Thanks. I got a call back from my dealer today and they didn't have any luck finding one under $400. He said that he had some other sources to check but that it was doubtful that he'd be able to find one in the $350ish range that I told him I'd like to spend. He's a great dealer and I've bought from him in the past and trust them, so I don't think he was pulling my leg. They seem to be as scarce as hens teeth. Apparently due at least in part of all of the "ban fear" craze. Prices and availability on everything has gotten so rediculous. 
So I told him to keep looking for me and if one comes up then fine but I'm not feeding the craze. 
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| I picked a 9mm Subb up yesterday that accepts S & W 59 mags. Anyone had any experiance with certain mags feeding better than others. I wanna order some mags next week and wanna know the best ones to get high cap or standard and which ones you guys like to use best. |
pretty happy with it...it goes 'bang', is pretty reliable w/ a variety of diff ammo i've put through it; i paid $315 OTD for it about a yr ago (used) the sights are durable enough and very simple (it literally is just a post and peep, no real adjustments, save w/ a philips head) |
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Quoted: The Sub 9 was better. It was all steel, felt stronger, was heavier, and used a lot less plastic/polymer. But, then again, the Sub 9 had crappier sights, and was more expensive. So it all evens out in the end. Yep. We have both –– a SUB-9 that uses her S&W mags and a SUB-2000 that takes my Glock mags. The SUB-9 was better IMHO but it was also a lot more money and we haven't had a problem out of either one. |
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I don't think they have their own website but here are 2 likns for them.
http://lancaster.citysearch.com/profile/8786007/columbia_pa/backwoods_outfitters.html http://forum.pafoa.org/shops-20/175-backwoods-outfitters-columbia.html And I don't mind promoting them at all .. I almost hate going in there cause tho they ALWAYS have something I think I need
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| I just bought the g17 version new off the shelf for $299. I went to one place and they had a used one in .40 with beretta mags for $350 and said they hadn't seen one with glock mags in a while. I went about 3 miles down the road and found a brand new 9mm with glock mags for $299 and Glock brand high cap mags for $34, other place wanted $52. I left with a gently used 870 magnum and a sub 2000 for $550. I won't be putting any tactical crap on it either. It was a cheap gun and I'm going to keep it that way. I've got the AR to spend all the money on. |