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6/11/2004 9:00:50 PM EDT
Read this page please and lets see if we can get a good discussion going... this article brings up some great points.

http://www.neiassociates.org/caliber.htm
6/11/2004 11:20:19 PM EDT
[#1]
Seems pretty cut and dry to me. I think I would still rather have a gov't 45 though. For carry I'll take a Glock 33 or 27.
6/12/2004 4:50:03 AM EDT
[#2]
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www.neiassociates.org/caliber.htm
6/12/2004 7:18:17 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
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Article should be saved/tacked for future arguments.  
6/12/2004 8:40:43 AM EDT
[#4]
It says that most of the time it doesn't matter what caliber you are shooting, if you shoot someone they stay shot.

But, in some instances the shootee is going to keep on ticking no matter what you are shooting.

Yeah, I agree with that.
6/12/2004 10:09:30 AM EDT
[#5]
That's a great article.  I'm a fan of the fact that he acknowledges it doesn't matter what caliber you carry as long as you use proper ammo.  I'm happy carrying a 9mm, and this article has strengthened by resolve in doing so.
6/12/2004 1:00:41 PM EDT
[#6]
Placement is king when it comes to one shot stops. A 22lr to the brain pan will stop someone a lot faster then a 44 mag to the leg. If you can't hit what you aim at then get a pistol that you can shoot better or practice more with the one that you've got. Next in importance is bullet selection. You need to use a bullet that will transfer as much of it's energy to the target as posible. The ideal situation it for the bullet to go in, mushroom/fragment and not come out the back. If the bullet makes it out  the back much of the energy is wasted on what's behind the target and therefore not being used to stop the target.  In Europe the .32 ACP is a perfectly acceptable police ctg., here, in America the .38 spl. has long been the standard. I think rule #1 is to try and get yourself out of a gun fight if at all possible. Talk your way out, walk your way out and if all else fails RUN your way out but get out of it if you can.  If there's no way out then shot placement, bullet preformence and bullet energy transfer are what's going to get the job done.
6/28/2004 7:18:35 PM EDT
[#7]
There has obviously been much discussion between the effectiveness of one cal vs. another.  What are some of the DISADVANTAGES of various cals?

One obvious disadvantage for the .45 for me is the cost of practice ammo.  More than twice


what 9mm costs.

6/28/2004 8:37:23 PM EDT
[#8]
Let's see:

The MOST effetive 9mm load is a 91% stopper.
The MOST effective 40 S&W load is a 96% stopper.
The MOST effective 45 ACP load is a 95% stopper.

So it would seem the 40S&W or the .357 Mag is the most effective load (top 40S&W tied with the top .357 load) followed by the 45 ACP then the 9mm.  Considering that most 40S&W's have a higher standard capacity than the 45 ACP, it would seem to be the best choice.  So why do I still carry my "obsolete, unreliable, 93 year old techology" 1911?  Because that big ass bore of course!  And the fact that it is statisically eqiuvalent to the 40S&W, and real world reliable, and I can put a entire magaine into the A zone at 10 yards in under 5 seconds from draw.....

Scott