Posted: 11/23/2012 8:51:11 PM EDT
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glock gun are rather thick. Even the subcompact 26 and 27 are thick. I know they have a .45 single stack, but why no 9mm or .40?
Most manufacturers have some kind of single stack geared toward concealed carry. just seems like glock is missing out on a piece of the market. sorry if this is a dup |
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It's a question that's been asked a lot for a long time. Obviously there's a market for single stack 9/40 since there are many posts like this, the Walther PPS is popular, the S&P Shield is popular, plenty of other single stack guns I could mention. Perhaps Glock has done some market analysis and break-even analysis and decided that while single stack Glocks would certainly sell, they would not sell enough of them to recoup their costs. Perhaps Glock doesn't really care. Perhaps Glock is concerned that until they figure out how to keep their bread and butter 9mm guns from sending hot brass to shooters' faces, they would be well advised not to seek out other ventures. Perhaps Glock doesn't really care about that either.
I would buy a single stack Glock, for the record. |
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My WAG on this is that to be competitive in the market, they'd have to slim down the entire pistol, frame and slide. That'd be expensive and the total number of units sold would likely be kind of low. Have you seen how many small .380 and 9x19 pistols are sold? |
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I think that if they were allowed to import them they probably would. Isnt there a nice article somewhere explaining how the double stacks barely meet import guidelines, and if they were smaller they would be denied.
Wonder if making them in georgia would get around the issue. They glock 28 was denied import, a single stack 9mm certainly would as well. They were denied import on the 28 and i think glock gave up at that point |
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i've heard that its because Glock believes that the there is no market for small, single stack handguns outside of the US The only guns Glock sells in quantity outside the US are the 17 and 19. They sell a few 26s. Everything else is for the US market. |
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I think that if they were allowed to import them they probably would. Isnt there a nice article somewhere explaining how the double stacks barely meet import guidelines, and if they were smaller they would be denied. Wonder if making them in georgia would get around the issue. They glock 28 was denied import, a single stack 9mm certainly would as well. They were denied import on the 28 and i think glock gave up at that point Firstly, they could make them in Smyrna. Secondly, the .380s are identical in size to their locked breech cousins. They can't be imported due to caliber only. A larger caliber would and does make the points for import. |
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I think that if they were allowed to import them they probably would. Isnt there a nice article somewhere explaining how the double stacks barely meet import guidelines, and if they were smaller they would be denied. Wonder if making them in georgia would get around the issue. They glock 28 was denied import, a single stack 9mm certainly would as well. They were denied import on the 28 and i think glock gave up at that point Firstly, they could make them in Smyrna. Secondly, the .380s are identical in size to their locked breech cousins. They can't be imported due to caliber only. A larger caliber would and does make the points for import. How did Walther get around that? IIRC aren't the interarms guns imported? |
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In speaking with the head of sales for Glock USA, they said the single stack would sell great and they want it. But all the decisions are made from Aurstria and Gaston doesn't want to make them. What he says goes. Plain and simple.
If they were given the opportunity to manufacture in the US other R&D projects, I know the single stack 9mm would be high on the list. |
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Because the G36 isn't a great seller? Why is that the case? I've been thinking about getting one as a backup to my G30SF. I've been using my Shield, which I love, but I always prefer a .45 to a 9mm. Because it's a 7 shot G19. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I think that if they were allowed to import them they probably would. Isnt there a nice article somewhere explaining how the double stacks barely meet import guidelines, and if they were smaller they would be denied. Wonder if making them in georgia would get around the issue. They glock 28 was denied import, a single stack 9mm certainly would as well. They were denied import on the 28 and i think glock gave up at that point Firstly, they could make them in Smyrna. Secondly, the .380s are identical in size to their locked breech cousins. They can't be imported due to caliber only. A larger caliber would and does make the points for import. How did Walther get around that? IIRC aren't the interarms guns imported? The Walthers have a couple other features that score enough points. Also keep in mind that the PPK can't be imported anymore, the PPK/S is. It's a little larger. |
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Because Glock doesn't listen to the market or consumers and prefers to rest on its laurels... Even if they are no longer the innovator in the industry. Even when they do kind of listen you only get the D effort that was thier interchangeable back straps in the gen 4's, which was probably only done be-grudgingly because of losing LE market share to the M&P.
Still love Glocks but the competition has caught up and is now in the passing lane |
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Because the G36 isn't a great seller? Pistols dims 1911 Grip: 1.271 Widest point: 1.333 slide: .921 Frame: .759 Glock Grip: 1.215 Widest point: 1.262 Slide: 1.005 Frame: 1.145 The type of person who would buy a Glock isn't the type of person to buy into the .45-caliber bullshit. I for one think that if they released a single stack, slimmed-down model like the S&W Shield, that it would sell very well. |
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Because the G36 isn't a great seller? Pistols dims 1911 Grip: 1.271 Widest point: 1.333 slide: .921 Frame: .759 Glock Grip: 1.215 Widest point: 1.262 Slide: 1.005 Frame: 1.145 The type of person who would buy a Glock isn't the type of person to buy into the .45-caliber bullshit. I for one think that if they released a single stack, slimmed-down model like the S&W Shield, that it would sell very well. To which ".45-caliber bullshit" are you referring? |
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Because the G36 isn't a great seller? Pistols dims 1911 Grip: 1.271 Widest point: 1.333 slide: .921 Frame: .759 Glock Grip: 1.215 Widest point: 1.262 Slide: 1.005 Frame: 1.145 The type of person who would buy a Glock isn't the type of person to buy into the .45-caliber bullshit. I for one think that if they released a single stack, slimmed-down model like the S&W Shield, that it would sell very well. To which ".45-caliber bullshit" are you referring? The false notion that .45 ACP is preferable for self-defense over the other service calibers such as 9mm or .40 S&W. |
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Or that service pistol caliber matters. Pistols suck. Get over it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Agreed. That's exactly why the G36 is such a poor seller. A large caliber isn't what you need to look for in a defensive firearm; you need to look for ease of followup shots and high magazine capacity (relative to the size of the gun, of course). So, look at the G36: Only 6+1 rounds of a hard-recoiling cartridge that does not present any improvement in lethality over 9mm? Fuck no, I'm not gonna carry that. A pistol similar to the G36 but in 9mm could be made to be much more sleek and slender than the G36. It would have less recoil for easier followup shots and it would have a higher capacity of 7+1 or 8+1. Those are the things that count in a handgun, not lobbing the largest-caliber bullet you can stuff into the magazine. I would buy a slenderized G36 in 9mm. |
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I think a 10 round single stack 9 would sell in a lot of localities in addition to being popular gun for USPSA Production, IDPA SSP, and gun for ladies hands.
My calculations (taken from wikipedia because I don't want to go downstairs and get the callipers out) 9mm round is 9.96mm on the rim. 10 rounds is ~3.9 inches when single stacked. G19 height is an advertised as 5.04. So I don't think it would need to be much taller than a g19, which is good for carry, but keep the barrel the same length as the G17. If that sells well then come out with the 6 round version that can take the 10 round mag, cause people like that kind of thing... |
| Regardless, if Glock made a single stack 9mm that was somewhat between a 26 and a 19 but thinner, I'd have one as soon as they hit the market. I think they need some products that the market is obviously showing demand for. I carry a G-27 normally, but would prefer a thinner 9mm. I do prefer Glock handguns over damn near everything else, they simply work. |
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i've heard that its because Glock believes that the there is no market for small, single stack handguns outside of the US Good point. Glock makes a lot of money on local and national contracts and maybe they don't see a huge demand from these customers. Or maybe they are waiting for the next AW ban and then will sell single stacks when we only are allowed six round magazines. |
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Just buy a Kahr. It's basically a single stack glock. I have a Kahr MK9 as well as a PM9. Love them. For the sake of standardization, I'd prefer if all of my carry guns had the exact same trigger. My G19 gets carried 80% of the time. When summer rolls around and I switch to shorts and a T-shirt, I head to the range to re-acquaint w/ the Kahrs and I do a bunch of dry fires w/ the Kahrs daily before stepping out. It's not the end of the world as it only takes 5 minutes, but it does just make it more of a pain in the ass. Oh, and if Glock is listening, please make the single-stack 9mm w/ a metal mag so we can get extra slim. |