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7/16/2010 5:40:01 AM EDT
So I've got 2 completely different questions, but didn't want to waste two topics on it.

1. Where is the closest range to KC that allows 50BMG?  I am not even neccesarily looking for a long distance, just something to shoot a few rounds off at.  A friend of mine recently got a Barrett for a good price and would like to take it out just to see how he likes it, or if he wants to sell it.  MO conservation ranges don't allow 50 do they??


2. What part of a handgun can be shipped without FFL, I was thinking either the slide or frame could be shipped from one person to another (without FFL), but wanted to make sure.  My best friend is over serving in AFG right now, and I would like to do a trigger job on his XD for him, but it is in another state with his wife.
7/16/2010 5:42:11 AM EDT
[#1]
1. conservation ranges are unmanned. How would they know???

2. I'm pretty sure it's the frame that is good to ship.
7/16/2010 6:09:42 AM EDT
[#2]
I have considered the unmanned part of things, but considering that its a 50 and i would imagine loud as a chinese monkey, didn't want to get complaints and get them called down and ticketed...

Hmm...the frame is what I am hoping for as it is all I really need for a trigger job, and I can test it with my slide for my carry gun since we carry the same.
7/16/2010 6:31:18 AM EDT
[#3]
Um...the frame is the serialized part and is considered a firearm.  All laws apply.
7/16/2010 6:39:54 AM EDT
[#4]
Well that sucks. The gun in question is an XD, which have serial numbers on both slide and frame so I couldn't remember which.  Pretty stupid law IMO since its not like I can shoot a bullet with just a frame, but the law is the law. Thanks.
7/16/2010 9:48:21 AM EDT
[#5]
I have never seen a sign at the two unmanned ranges limiting the caliber of the rifle.

The fram on the pistol is the FFL regulated part.
7/16/2010 10:31:08 AM EDT
[#6]
I thought Fed Law stated that an adult legally capable of owning a handgun can mail one to another adult within the same State as long as the recipient is legal to own said firearm, all without going through a FFL.
7/16/2010 10:49:49 AM EDT
[#7]
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]

Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

Q: May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?
Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.
7/16/2010 11:13:28 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
I thought Fed Law stated that an adult legally capable of owning a handgun can mail one to another adult within the same State as long as the recipient is legal to own said firearm, all without going through a FFL.


Quoted:and I would like to do a trigger job on his XD for him, but it is in another state with his wife.
7/16/2010 1:24:22 PM EDT
[#9]
I know a few things about this.

I was able to ship my ruger single six back to ruger for some work. They intern was able to ship it back to me. I believe that this is because ruger holds an FFL. I was to understand that hand guns fall under different rules that long guns or shotguns. With a hand gun it had to go either to an FFL or be coming back from an FFL to be legally shipped.

Forgive my ignorance, but the above quoted USCs is this what the BATF uses to regulate firearm sales and possession? Or is what USPS is regulated by?
7/16/2010 5:01:52 PM EDT
[#10]
I asked Tony Legg about shooting a 50 BMG on an unmanned range.  He replied "No" because the berms are not designed to contain the steel core penetrator ammo many shoot from 50's.

I think I recall a "NO 50 BMG" sign at Apple Creek.
7/16/2010 5:14:53 PM EDT
[#11]
Hmmm...wonder what the closest range is to KC that will allow 50 then...
7/16/2010 5:26:34 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
I know a few things about this.

I was able to ship my ruger single six back to ruger for some work. They intern was able to ship it back to me. I believe that this is because ruger holds an FFL. I was to understand that hand guns fall under different rules that long guns or shotguns. With a hand gun it had to go either to an FFL or be coming back from an FFL to be legally shipped.

Forgive my ignorance, but the above quoted USCs is this what the BATF uses to regulate firearm sales and possession? Or is what USPS is regulated by?


You as the owner can directly ship a firearm back to the manufacturer for repair and the manufacturer can ship it back to the owner after completion of work. This is an exception to the law that states that the receiver of the firearm must be an FFL holder when shipping across state line. Postal regulations state that both the shipper and the receiver of a handgun must be FFLs regardless if a state line is crossed.
7/16/2010 6:59:26 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
I thought Fed Law stated that an adult legally capable of owning a handgun can mail one to another adult within the same State as long as the recipient is legal to own said firearm, all without going through a FFL.


Only long gun, not hand gun
7/17/2010 8:45:06 AM EDT
[#14]
BTW on the 50BMG and ranges. I really do not know if this is the closes. But I would be honored to host your buddy at Bench Rest Rifle Club. We go all of the way out to 600 yrds once proven that he can hit the target at 200 then 300 yrds, then I would be comfortable for him to go out to 600 yrds. Bench rest is only about 15 min from Warrenton, MO.

7/17/2010 9:31:27 AM EDT
[#15]
I've seen/shot .50BMG at Pigeon Hill

I would think the part with out a serial # would be ok to ship......that's just an opinion/guess though
7/17/2010 2:21:31 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I thought Fed Law stated that an adult legally capable of owning a handgun can mail one to another adult within the same State as long as the recipient is legal to own said firearm, all without going through a FFL.


Only long gun, not hand gun


Are you positive?  The above quoted USC statutes seem to not differentiate between long guns and hand guns as long as they do not cross a State Line.