Posted: 6/22/2014 4:14:02 PM EDT
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If a bar or restaurant is posted 51%, but they have outdoor seating, could you legally carry and stay outside? What if they had a bar in a window, so you could sit "at" the bar, but stay outside? Realistically, I would be drinking anyway, and thus not carrying. But hypothetically speaking, what's the rule?
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Quoted: If a bar or restaurant is posted 51%, but they have outdoor seating, could you legally carry and stay outside? What if they had a bar in a window, so you could sit "at" the bar, but stay outside? Realistically, I would be drinking anyway, and thus not carrying. But hypothetically speaking, what's the rule? No. The Bar is supposed to place the sign at the ENTRANCE To the building if they are a 51% establishment. So, ignoring it's posting over the entrance to the bar is UCW. My opinion on carry is, no alcohol PERIOD if you are carrying. You will get owned on the stand, and the jury will hate your ass, especially if they are already antigun. Plus don't break the law :) |
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Yeah, I don't carry here. I've been coming here for over a year and JUST found the 51% sign back in the corner. You have to be at the outside bar (which is rarely open) to even see it. I just didn't know if the law said "premises" which would limit it to inside the building. ETA The 51% sign actually says "premises." |
| That's a shitty place to put a sign if you just saw it after a year. I saw one at The Rustic in Dallas at knee level behind the hostess station....after I had finished my lunch and was leaving. They probably didn't want to post it in front because it didn't fit the décor. Sorry guy, its a legal requirement to conspicuously post that sign. |
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Yeah, I don't carry here. I've been coming here for over a year and JUST found the 51% sign back in the corner. You have to be at the outside bar (which is rarely open) to even see it. I just didn't know if the law said "premises" which would limit it to inside the building. ETA The 51% sign actually says "premises." The 51% rule is found in penal code 46.035. It is unlawful to carry on the premises of a 51% location. 46.035 defines premises as a building or portion of a building. If you have to enter the establishment to get to the outdoor seating.... well, you can fill in the blanks. However, if you never enter the premises it is not a violatiom to carry. |
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You can check if a business is 51% or not here:
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/PublicInquiry/Status.aspx Don't carry in a business with the following notation: Gun Sign: RED |
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You can check if a business is 51% or not here: https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/PublicInquiry/Status.aspx Don't carry in a business with the following notation: Gun Sign: RED Did you even read the question? |
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If a bar or restaurant is posted 51% If a restaurant is posted 51% it's posted incorrectly. Happens from time to time. Quoted:
I've been coming here for over a year and JUST found the 51% sign back in the corner. I posted the TABC web site to facilitate the OP (and others) checking if their favorite restaurant is actually a bar. No need to play Where's Waldo for a possible 51% sign. |
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Yes, I did. Thank you for asking. If a restaurant is posted 51% it's posted incorrectly. Happens from time to time. I posted the TABC web site to facilitate the OP (and others) checking if their favorite restaurant is actually a bar. No need to play Where's Waldo for a possible 51% sign. Quoted:
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Did you even read the question? Yes, I did. Thank you for asking. Quoted:
If a bar or restaurant is posted 51% If a restaurant is posted 51% it's posted incorrectly. Happens from time to time. Quoted:
I've been coming here for over a year and JUST found the 51% sign back in the corner. I posted the TABC web site to facilitate the OP (and others) checking if their favorite restaurant is actually a bar. No need to play Where's Waldo for a possible 51% sign. And I thank you very much for posting the link for the very reason you state. I was not aware that this was available. It's on my desktop now. If we are going out to eat at an unfamiliar place, its simple for me to check on the status now!!!!! |
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Quoted: And I thank you very much for posting the link for the very reason you state. I was not aware that this was available. It's on my desktop now. If we are going out to eat at an unfamiliar place, its simple for me to check on the status now!!!!! Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did you even read the question? Yes, I did. Thank you for asking. Quoted: If a bar or restaurant is posted 51% If a restaurant is posted 51% it's posted incorrectly. Happens from time to time. Quoted: I've been coming here for over a year and JUST found the 51% sign back in the corner. I posted the TABC web site to facilitate the OP (and others) checking if their favorite restaurant is actually a bar. No need to play Where's Waldo for a possible 51% sign. And I thank you very much for posting the link for the very reason you state. I was not aware that this was available. It's on my desktop now. If we are going out to eat at an unfamiliar place, its simple for me to check on the status now!!!!! Ask and you shal receive. Here's the deal. If it's a chain restaurant like A Roadhouse, or outback, its never going to be a 51%. Even if they post that sign over the bar, it's meaningless as it's not a 51% business. Plus its supposed to be at THE ENTRANCE. I've seen many BARS posted with that stupid sign. Ignorance. If you are going to a """"BAR""""" like oh, LONGSHOTS, then theres a high probability it is a 51. It's a bar. |
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This doesn't answer your question, but I thought it was pretty funny. I was in San Antonio airport over the weekend and saw a 51% sign posted in a bar, in the airport, PAST security... Surely it wouldn't apply to the Feds concealing a weapon... Applies to CHLs. Some are more equal than others - a district attorney, criminal district attorney, county attorney, or municipal attorney, an assistant district attorney, assistant criminal district attorney, or assistant county attorney Can all carry in secure area of airport under Texas Law but could not carry in 51% place. |
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Applies to CHLs. Some are more equal than others - a district attorney, criminal district attorney, county attorney, or municipal attorney, an assistant district attorney, assistant criminal district attorney, or assistant county attorney Can all carry in secure area of airport under Texas Law but could not carry in 51% place. Quoted:
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This doesn't answer your question, but I thought it was pretty funny. I was in San Antonio airport over the weekend and saw a 51% sign posted in a bar, in the airport, PAST security... Surely it wouldn't apply to the Feds concealing a weapon... Applies to CHLs. Some are more equal than others - a district attorney, criminal district attorney, county attorney, or municipal attorney, an assistant district attorney, assistant criminal district attorney, or assistant county attorney Can all carry in secure area of airport under Texas Law but could not carry in 51% place. Oh wow. That's interesting. |
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Oh wow. That's interesting. Quoted:
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This doesn't answer your question, but I thought it was pretty funny. I was in San Antonio airport over the weekend and saw a 51% sign posted in a bar, in the airport, PAST security... Surely it wouldn't apply to the Feds concealing a weapon... Applies to CHLs. Some are more equal than others - a district attorney, criminal district attorney, county attorney, or municipal attorney, an assistant district attorney, assistant criminal district attorney, or assistant county attorney Can all carry in secure area of airport under Texas Law but could not carry in 51% place. Oh wow. That's interesting. Well the Feds may not approve, but this may pre-date 9/11. Not sure when it was all passed. |
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Realistically, I would be drinking anyway, and thus not carrying. But hypothetically speaking, what's the rule? No. The Bar is supposed to place the sign at the ENTRANCE To the building if they are a 51% establishment. So, ignoring it's posting over the entrance to the bar is UCW. My opinion on carry is, no alcohol PERIOD if you are carrying. You will get owned on the stand, and the jury will hate your ass, especially if they are already antigun. Plus don't break the law :) Quoted:
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If a bar or restaurant is posted 51%, but they have outdoor seating, could you legally carry and stay outside? What if they had a bar in a window, so you could sit "at" the bar, but stay outside? No. The Bar is supposed to place the sign at the ENTRANCE To the building if they are a 51% establishment. So, ignoring it's posting over the entrance to the bar is UCW. My opinion on carry is, no alcohol PERIOD if you are carrying. You will get owned on the stand, and the jury will hate your ass, especially if they are already antigun. Plus don't break the law :) This. Grand jury will send this to trial. You will spend $40,000 in atty fees trying to beat the wrap. Even if you win, you lose. |
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Well the Feds may not approve, but this may pre-date 9/11. Not sure when it was all passed. Quoted:
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This doesn't answer your question, but I thought it was pretty funny. I was in San Antonio airport over the weekend and saw a 51% sign posted in a bar, in the airport, PAST security... Surely it wouldn't apply to the Feds concealing a weapon... Applies to CHLs. Some are more equal than others - a district attorney, criminal district attorney, county attorney, or municipal attorney, an assistant district attorney, assistant criminal district attorney, or assistant county attorney Can all carry in secure area of airport under Texas Law but could not carry in 51% place. Oh wow. That's interesting. Well the Feds may not approve, but this may pre-date 9/11. Not sure when it was all passed. Elitist legislation at its finest. It doesn't matter what applies to the "common" folks so long as the legislators can do whatever they want. But wait, these are not legislative positions, but rather judicial ones. It would be hard to imagine any quid pro quo being exemplified in this instance. 
Checks and balances for sure....if you check my balance, I will check yours. 
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Elitist legislation at its finest. It doesn't matter what applies to the "common" folks so long as the legislators can do whatever they want. But wait, these are not legislative positions, but rather judicial ones. It would be hard to imagine any quid pro quo being exemplified in this instance.
Checks and balances for sure....if you check my balance, I will check yours.
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This doesn't answer your question, but I thought it was pretty funny. I was in San Antonio airport over the weekend and saw a 51% sign posted in a bar, in the airport, PAST security... Surely it wouldn't apply to the Feds concealing a weapon... Applies to CHLs. Some are more equal than others - a district attorney, criminal district attorney, county attorney, or municipal attorney, an assistant district attorney, assistant criminal district attorney, or assistant county attorney Can all carry in secure area of airport under Texas Law but could not carry in 51% place. Oh wow. That's interesting. Well the Feds may not approve, but this may pre-date 9/11. Not sure when it was all passed. Elitist legislation at its finest. It doesn't matter what applies to the "common" folks so long as the legislators can do whatever they want. But wait, these are not legislative positions, but rather judicial ones. It would be hard to imagine any quid pro quo being exemplified in this instance.
Checks and balances for sure....if you check my balance, I will check yours.
Yep, they tried a session or two ago to slip in legislators also after the Giffords shooting, but the commoners found out and revolted. The irony is although they have near same exemption as LEOS, they still must abide by 30.06 and 46.035. |
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This. Grand jury will send this to trial. You will spend $40,000 in atty fees trying to beat the wrap. Even if you win, you lose. Quoted:
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If a bar or restaurant is posted 51%, but they have outdoor seating, could you legally carry and stay outside? What if they had a bar in a window, so you could sit "at" the bar, but stay outside? No. The Bar is supposed to place the sign at the ENTRANCE To the building if they are a 51% establishment. So, ignoring it's posting over the entrance to the bar is UCW. My opinion on carry is, no alcohol PERIOD if you are carrying. You will get owned on the stand, and the jury will hate your ass, especially if they are already antigun. Plus don't break the law :) This. Grand jury will send this to trial. You will spend $40,000 in atty fees trying to beat the wrap. Even if you win, you lose. Send what to trial? |
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This doesn't answer your question, but I thought it was pretty funny. I was in San Antonio airport over the weekend and saw a 51% sign posted in a bar, in the airport, PAST security... Surely it wouldn't apply to the Feds concealing a weapon... It doesn't matter, bar owners are required to post the 51% sign anyway, and failure to do so can get them punished by TABC. There is no exception made in the TABC code for the bar being inside a secure area. |
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Quoted: It doesn't matter, bar owners are required to post the 51% sign anyway, and failure to do so can get them punished by TABC. There is no exception made in the TABC code for the bar being inside a secure area. Quoted: Quoted: This doesn't answer your question, but I thought it was pretty funny. I was in San Antonio airport over the weekend and saw a 51% sign posted in a bar, in the airport, PAST security... Surely it wouldn't apply to the Feds concealing a weapon... It doesn't matter, bar owners are required to post the 51% sign anyway, and failure to do so can get them punished by TABC. There is no exception made in the TABC code for the bar being inside a secure area. ..........I think it all hinges on weather the TABC site says they need the sign. |
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You can check if a business is 51% or not here: https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/PublicInquiry/Status.aspx Don't carry in a business with the following notation: Gun Sign: RED Thanks for the link. |
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It doesn't matter, bar owners are required to post the 51% sign anyway, and failure to do so can get them punished by TABC. There is no exception made in the TABC code for the bar being inside a secure area. Quoted:
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This doesn't answer your question, but I thought it was pretty funny. I was in San Antonio airport over the weekend and saw a 51% sign posted in a bar, in the airport, PAST security... Surely it wouldn't apply to the Feds concealing a weapon... It doesn't matter, bar owners are required to post the 51% sign anyway, and failure to do so can get them punished by TABC. There is no exception made in the TABC code for the bar being inside a secure area. Regardless of it being required or not. My point is, I found it ironic. I am not contesting whether it should be there or not. |