Posted: 10/18/2010 7:08:54 PM EDT
| I know pricing isn't like it was a few years ago but does anyone around Rochester want to get together to throw some AK74s together in December? |
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Id love a 74, but i thought you couldnt get the barrels anymore? Im guessing im wrong here.lol also, last time i looked into it, it was almost cheaper to buy a 47 then it was to build it. I havent looked in a while so I guess im off.
you got any links to places selling the parts? id like to see what they are running. depending on money, Id love to so a 74 build!!!! |
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There are still barreled stamped kits out there if you can find them and don't mind paying the price they now command. 5.45 is getting to be the hot thing in shooting right now so you'll have to spend even more for anything AK-74.
Keep in mind any build you do with a demilled kit and US made barrel, you're going to have to install barrel components, drill and pin them on. It can be time consuming and difficult without proper jigs and tooling. I haven't done it but with the availability of kits with US barrels I've thought hard about it. Snoop theakforum and other sites for good deals on parts kits. Again, they are out there. However, if I were you guys, I'd look into the milled Yugoslavian M70 underfolder kits APEX Gun Parts has for sale. With a CNC Warrior milled fixed stock receiver and Ironwood furniture, you can assemble a rifle built like a shit house. My stamped Yugo is a monster, imagine a solid milled receiver. Milled guns don't require as much riveting, and you can tap the trigger guard holes in the receiver for screws if you wanted. They use the same compliance parts as any stamped gun. Furthermore, since you won't be needing the old receiver stubs, underfolder assembly or furniture, you can sell them to someone in a free state who wants to reweld them into a functional receiver to offset some of the cost. You could probably get $100-150 for the group. A milled gun won't be the cheapest option, but the price isn't bad for a solidly-built, highly desirable Yugoslavian rifle. ETA: After perusing the 'Net, I've come to the conclusion that a milled kit build would be only slightly more expensive than a stamped build with a US barrel and it would be a lot easier. From what I have seen, parts kits are scarce and expensive. If you want or must have an AK-74, you would be better served buying a complete rifle. It would be cheaper. Century Bulgarian -74 builds run about $400-500 and are decent. |
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I want to build one to build one vs. buying one complete.
https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/51/products_id/1057 This kit comes with a new US barrel for $210 and NDS has some cheap 74 receivers for around $50. So after 922r parts I figure for around $300-350ish you could have a complete rifle. The kit I linked to also says that the barrels have the extractor, gas port, and handguard cuts done so all that would need to be done is the threads. A Maadi build is another kit I wouldn't mind throwing together. Egyptian Maadi Parts Kit $135 Barrel for kit $115 |
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I want to build one to build one vs. buying one complete. https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/51/products_id/1057 This kit comes with a new US barrel for $210 and NDS has some cheap 74 receivers for around $50. So after 922r parts I figure for around $300-350ish you could have a complete rifle. The kit I linked to also says that the barrels have the extractor, gas port, and handguard cuts done so all that would need to be done is the threads. A Maadi build is another kit I wouldn't mind throwing together. Egyptian Maadi Parts Kit $135 Barrel for kit $115 If you want to work with virgin barrels, more power to you. I don't do it because it isn't cost effective for me. Those US barrels are not plug and play. Add the costs of tooling for the barrel to the finished build if you don't have the stuff to work with them already. The barrels are assembled by pressing on the parts in proper alignment; the rear sight base, gas block and front sight base need to be pinned, so holes must be drilled for the pins. Also, the holes must be reamed for proper press fitting. Then the barrel pin hole must be drilled out after setting the barrel and head spacing. The barrel pin hole must be reamed for straightness and for the proper press fit as well This means you'll need the correct diameter drill bits and reamers to ensure straight holes as well as a set of head space gauges to make certain your assembled rifle is safe to shoot, and you need some way of holding the barrel in place for perpendicular holes. Most guys have some kind of jig clamp the barrel down. I'm not trying to burst your bubble; I am trying to help you see the costs intrinsic to new barreled kits. Also keep in mind to check with APEX to ensure the barrels they sell are chrome lined. If not you'll need to be far more vigilant when using corrosive ammo. ETA: The threads on Bulgarian AK-74's are on the front sight base, not the barrel itself. |
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I want to build one to build one vs. buying one complete. https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/51/products_id/1057 This kit comes with a new US barrel for $210 and NDS has some cheap 74 receivers for around $50. So after 922r parts I figure for around $300-350ish you could have a complete rifle. The kit I linked to also says that the barrels have the extractor, gas port, and handguard cuts done so all that would need to be done is the threads. A Maadi build is another kit I wouldn't mind throwing together. Egyptian Maadi Parts Kit $135 Barrel for kit $115 do you have a link for the NDS recievers? |
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I want to build one to build one vs. buying one complete. https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/51/products_id/1057 This kit comes with a new US barrel for $210 and NDS has some cheap 74 receivers for around $50. So after 922r parts I figure for around $300-350ish you could have a complete rifle. The kit I linked to also says that the barrels have the extractor, gas port, and handguard cuts done so all that would need to be done is the threads. A Maadi build is another kit I wouldn't mind throwing together. Egyptian Maadi Parts Kit $135 Barrel for kit $115 do you have a link for the NDS recievers? Yes. Look for the receivers that say : Really low priced AK-74 receivers http://www.nodakspud.com/page2.htm Only thing with those are that the magwell would have to be opened up. The NDS-2 receivers are as low as $90 which is what I plan to get if I go ahead with a 74 build. |
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Quoted: Yes. Look for the receivers that say : Really low priced AK-74 receivers http://www.nodakspud.com/page2.htm Only thing with those are that the magwell would have to be opened up. The NDS-2 receivers are as low as $90 which is what I plan to get if I go ahead with a 74 build. looks interesting... I wonder how much cheaper it would be to use a flat and jig though. |
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So which do you think would be the easier build the Maadi or the 74? I think with either you're looking at a lot of work. I'm not saying it can't be done because it is all dependent on you and what you want to accomplish, but it is far more involved than a demilled kit. You could send the barrel off to an AK gunsmith to assemble the parts for you, then all you would have to do is head space and drill/ream for the barrel pin upon assembly. I'd like to get set up for US barrels eventually; there are a lot of good AK-47 kits out there, Polish, Romy and Bulgarian that could be built inexpensively. But that won't be anytime soon. I plan on having a kickass jig made up to align and drill barrel parts before I go crazy. If you go with the -74, whatever you do, make sure your barrel is chrome lined. It makes cleaning after shooting the plentiful corrosive stuff much easier. |
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So which do you think would be the easier build the Maadi or the 74? I think with either you're looking at a lot of work. I'm not saying it can't be done because it is all dependent on you and what you want to accomplish, but it is far more involved than a demilled kit. You could send the barrel off to an AK gunsmith to assemble the parts for you, then all you would have to do is head space and drill/ream for the barrel pin upon assembly. I'd like to get set up for US barrels eventually; there are a lot of good AK-47 kits out there, Polish, Romy and Bulgarian that could be built inexpensively. But that won't be anytime soon. I plan on having a kickass jig made up to align and drill barrel parts before I go crazy. If you go with the -74, whatever you do, make sure your barrel is chrome lined. It makes cleaning after shooting the plentiful corrosive stuff much easier. I'll probably order a few kits, one that can be a longer project and another that will be a quicker throw together build. |
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The flats are about $10-15 + the cost of the jig, but the quality isn't the same. The added time alone wouldn't make it worth it. +1 You need the jig to bend the flat and another to spot weld in the lower rails, as well as reamers to true-up the pin holes after folding. Another thing guys don't consider is heat treatment. Receivers made from bent flats must be heat treated properly in a kiln, and that involves locking it in a jig to prevent warping, and filling the jig with inert gas to prevent rusting. That said, if you have the equipment, you can make outstanding receivers rivaling NoDak in quality. |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I dont think he would like the idea of me assembleing assult rifles in his shop... |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I dont think he would like the idea of me assembleing assult rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a demilled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig. |
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I think this is going to be my next build, and an easy one at that. http://www.centerfiresystems.com/drakitb.aspx and to go with it http://www.centerfiresystems.com/DRAGUNREC.aspx Should be an easy one and i like the idea of having a normal grip and stock. Those long-barreled Romanian bastards love making life miserable for the builder. That said, they are fun to build and I learned more about hand fitting AK parts from my two PSL's than on any other builds. Bulgarian demilled kits go together like butter and get tedious after awhile. Romanian guns tend to spice things up with odd problems, such as over sized barrel pins being forced into place by monkeys in the Cugir plant (like on my AIMS-74) and totally fucked up receivers like on the PSL. I built two PSL's, one on a Romy receiver and one on a NoDak receiver. The Romy receivers were the only thing available when I built my first. I had to hand fit pretty much everything to that shitty, warped receiver. The barrel trunnion didn't match, so I had to polish down the barrel extension for fit and pray it would head space. The scope rail on the receiver was out of spec, so I had to remove it, deal with spot welds and install the correct one. By the time I began final assembly, I had that thing ready to roll. It was enormously satisfying when everything came together in a few hours. I built the second PSL last weekend on the NoDak. I had the barrel cut down to 16.5" for noisy fun; standard length gas system, the so-called "Paratrooper" variant that was really a creation of Tennessee Guns. It was a pain too. Even my NoDak receiver bought from TGI had problems that required filing. Have no idea what happened, just that it got pinched near the selector lever mounting hole on the right side to the point the bolt carrier wouldn't move past. Then the BC wouldn't lock into battery with the bolt installed. What. The. Fuck... matching numbers my ass. I think the parts are so new they don't want to fit, but I'm slowly working that out by simply working the action repeatedly. In its normal format the PSL is considered a "sporting" rifle. IIRC adding a pistol grip changes that and the rifle will have to be made compliant under 922(r). I made mine compliant anyway. Shit, you guys are getting me in a building mood. I have a Hungarian AKM-63 and a Romy AIMS-74 that I should build at some point. I also have a milled Yugo M70 standing by. Probably a couple more kits tucked away somewhere. |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... If building your own it doesn't require a serial number. If there are no manufacturing marks, etc. then chances are that there is no way to tell if it's preban or post ban. |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... If building your own it doesn't require a serial number. If there are no manufacturing marks, etc. then chances are that there is no way to tell if it's preban or post ban. That could either be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on were the burden of proof lies, If you have to prove its preban, well your Fucked.. As always its probably better just to play by the rules, no sense risking jail time over evil folding stock.... |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... If building your own it doesn't require a serial number. If there are no manufacturing marks, etc. then chances are that there is no way to tell if it's preban or post ban. That could either be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on were the burden of proof lies, If you have to prove its preban, well your Fucked.. As always its probably better just to play by the rules, no sense risking jail time over evil folding stock.... That's how I look at it. I'd rather put a fixed stock on it and not have to worry about if the guy at the bench next to me is a cop and looking to bust me for a postban toy. |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... If building your own it doesn't require a serial number. If there are no manufacturing marks, etc. then chances are that there is no way to tell if it's preban or post ban. That could either be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on were the burden of proof lies, If you have to prove its preban, well your Fucked.. As always its probably better just to play by the rules, no sense risking jail time over evil folding stock.... That's how I look at it. I'd rather put a fixed stock on it and not have to worry about if the guy at the bench next to me is a cop and looking to bust me for a postban toy. Agreed... can you get a hold of preban Ak receivers? obviously they are out there as the rifle has been around for over 50 years, but I'm not really familiar with imported parts laws |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... If building your own it doesn't require a serial number. If there are no manufacturing marks, etc. then chances are that there is no way to tell if it's preban or post ban. That could either be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on were the burden of proof lies, If you have to prove its preban, well your Fucked.. As always its probably better just to play by the rules, no sense risking jail time over evil folding stock.... That's how I look at it. I'd rather put a fixed stock on it and not have to worry about if the guy at the bench next to me is a cop and looking to bust me for a postban toy. Agreed... can you get a hold of preban Ak receivers? obviously they are out there as the rifle has been around for over 50 years, but I'm not really familiar with imported parts laws Not like you can AR receivers, once they are built into a rifle they are pretty much a permanent fixture. |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... If building your own it doesn't require a serial number. If there are no manufacturing marks, etc. then chances are that there is no way to tell if it's preban or post ban. That could either be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on were the burden of proof lies, If you have to prove its preban, well your Fucked.. As always its probably better just to play by the rules, no sense risking jail time over evil folding stock.... That's how I look at it. I'd rather put a fixed stock on it and not have to worry about if the guy at the bench next to me is a cop and looking to bust me for a postban toy. Agreed... can you get a hold of preban Ak receivers? obviously they are out there as the rifle has been around for over 50 years, but I'm not really familiar with imported parts laws Not like you can AR receivers, once they are built into a rifle they are pretty much a permanent fixture. I was affraid of that.. There probably isnt a large supply of virgin prebans,  Im still intrested in building one, it dosent look all the complicated, and I I love a good project.. Have you built one proir to this? |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... If building your own it doesn't require a serial number. If there are no manufacturing marks, etc. then chances are that there is no way to tell if it's preban or post ban. That could either be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on were the burden of proof lies, If you have to prove its preban, well your Fucked.. As always its probably better just to play by the rules, no sense risking jail time over evil folding stock.... That's how I look at it. I'd rather put a fixed stock on it and not have to worry about if the guy at the bench next to me is a cop and looking to bust me for a postban toy. Agreed... can you get a hold of preban Ak receivers? obviously they are out there as the rifle has been around for over 50 years, but I'm not really familiar with imported parts laws Not like you can AR receivers, once they are built into a rifle they are pretty much a permanent fixture. I was affraid of that.. There probably isnt a large supply of virgin prebans, Im still intrested in building one, it dosent look all the complicated, and I I love a good project.. Have you built one proir to this?I have but not one with a virgin barrel so that will be something new to me. My kit will be here Tuesday and I plan on tackling the barrel issue over November. |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... If building your own it doesn't require a serial number. If there are no manufacturing marks, etc. then chances are that there is no way to tell if it's preban or post ban. That could either be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on were the burden of proof lies, If you have to prove its preban, well your Fucked.. As always its probably better just to play by the rules, no sense risking jail time over evil folding stock.... That's how I look at it. I'd rather put a fixed stock on it and not have to worry about if the guy at the bench next to me is a cop and looking to bust me for a postban toy. Agreed... can you get a hold of preban Ak receivers? obviously they are out there as the rifle has been around for over 50 years, but I'm not really familiar with imported parts laws Not like you can AR receivers, once they are built into a rifle they are pretty much a permanent fixture. I was affraid of that.. There probably isnt a large supply of virgin prebans, Im still intrested in building one, it dosent look all the complicated, and I I love a good project.. Have you built one proir to this?I have but not one with a virgin barrel so that will be something new to me. My kit will be here Tuesday and I plan on tackling the barrel issue over November. do you have a jig? to bend flats? or you buying a receiver?... Im going to look into getting a jig, and trying to make my own recievers I think.. I just watched a few vidoes about it, seems like somthing that I can handle.. Flats are cheap, the jig however is around 150, but it will pay for it self over time.. |
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I just ordered a Maadi kit and will be ordering a virgin barrel for it. I'll post the results once I have the build finished. If anyone else has any idea for a build party I'm still opening to building another firearm. Im interested in building one myself... Question however... if you "build" and AK-47/47, how dose the AWB come into play?? if there is no date stamp, is it considered preban?? I have a few AK-47s in my collection, but they are all NYS AWB compliant. I would like to have a under folder, or side folder or both, but only if its legal to do... As far as a build party goes do you have all the tools? most of my tools are contracting orientated, not shop... My grandfather has a large shop, but its a cluster fuck, I know he has a hydraulic press, and just about every tool id need, but he is one of those "horder' types and it takes you longer to find shit, and get a space clear to work, then it would to actually do the damn job...plus I don't think he would like the idea of me assembling assault rifles in his shop... The AWB is treated as it is for everything else. You know if you buy a new receiver that it is post ban and you must follow the AWB. Just because receivers don't have date stamps on them doesn't mean it's preban. I'm sure if a prosecutor wanted to they could find out via your serial number if your gun was built post-94. I'm going to be working with a virgin barrel for the kit I just bought so I'm going to have to purchase a few extra tools that I don't currently have but if building from a de milled kit w/ an original barrel there aren't too many tools needed other than a press and rivet jig.[/quote Im talking about a homemade receiver, no stamps, no serial.. Im pretty sure under FED law its legal to build your own, you just cannot transfer it to someone or sell it with out registering it, and having a manufactures license.. My Google skills are weak at the moment I'm not sure how NYS handles Home made firearms, and the process of registering them dating them ect. Im sure like you stated, the AWB is treated the same as it it for everything else, I was just wondering, as I'm interested in building my own, and wanna make sure everything is kosher with the law so the guys in blue don't show up and shoot my dog.... If building your own it doesn't require a serial number. If there are no manufacturing marks, etc. then chances are that there is no way to tell if it's preban or post ban. That could either be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on were the burden of proof lies, If you have to prove its preban, well your Fucked.. As always its probably better just to play by the rules, no sense risking jail time over evil folding stock.... That's how I look at it. I'd rather put a fixed stock on it and not have to worry about if the guy at the bench next to me is a cop and looking to bust me for a postban toy. Agreed... can you get a hold of preban Ak receivers? obviously they are out there as the rifle has been around for over 50 years, but I'm not really familiar with imported parts laws Not like you can AR receivers, once they are built into a rifle they are pretty much a permanent fixture. I was affraid of that.. There probably isnt a large supply of virgin prebans, Im still intrested in building one, it dosent look all the complicated, and I I love a good project.. Have you built one proir to this?I have but not one with a virgin barrel so that will be something new to me. My kit will be here Tuesday and I plan on tackling the barrel issue over November. do you have a jig? to bend flats? or you buying a receiver?... Im going to look into getting a jig, and trying to make my own recievers I think.. I just watched a few vidoes about it, seems like somthing that I can handle.. Flats are cheap, the jig however is around 150, but it will pay for it self over time.. I'm going to purchase a prebuilt NDS receiver. If you could bend your own it would save even more money. I don't have the jig. |
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I'm going to purchase a prebuilt NDS receiver. If you could bend your own it would save even more money. I don't have the jig. Again fellas, start up costs include the press, jig and reamers for folding your own, a spot welder and the proper tongs for welding in the lower rails, and a kiln, bracing jig and inert gasses for heat treating the folded receiver. It isn't as cheap as simply bending and riveting together. ETA: Although a friend an I were discussing the feasibility of encasing the receiver in clay to avoid the need for inert gas. A non-heat treated steel receiver may as well be aluminum; it wouldn't last more than a few hundred rounds. I've dealt with a couple of soft receivers and they all fail eventually. Edit: grammar. |
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I'm going to purchase a prebuilt NDS receiver. If you could bend your own it would save even more money. I don't have the jig. Again fellas, start up costs include the press, jig and reamers for folding your own, a spot welder and the proper tongs for welding in the lower rails, and a kiln, bracing jig and inert gasses for heat treating the folded receiver. It isn't as cheap as simply bending and riveting together. A non-heat treated steel receiver may as well be aluminum; it would last more than a few hundred rounds. I've dealt with a couple of soft receivers and they all fail eventually. That's why I have no interest in bending my own flats. Unless you are going to build a dozen kits it's much cheaper to just buy a prebuilt receiver. |
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That's why I have no interest in bending my own flats. Unless you are going to build a dozen kits it's much cheaper to just buy a prebuilt receiver. Yup. Why go through the motions when NoDak has perfected the process for a nominal fee? 
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I'm going to purchase a prebuilt NDS receiver. If you could bend your own it would save even more money. I don't have the jig. Again fellas, start up costs include the press, jig and reamers for folding your own, a spot welder and the proper tongs for welding in the lower rails, and a kiln, bracing jig and inert gasses for heat treating the folded receiver. It isn't as cheap as simply bending and riveting together. ETA: Although a friend an I were discussing the feasibility of encasing the receiver in clay to avoid the need for inert gas. A non-heat treated steel receiver may as well be aluminum; it wouldn't last more than a few hundred rounds. I've dealt with a couple of soft receivers and they all fail eventually. Edit: grammar. Its too bad you cant rent the stuff, or like the op said, have a build party and everone bring a differnt tool.. My father has a kiln, but that bitch is to heavy to laod up in the ol jeep and transport... Im sure it wouldnt be hard to rig one up, with some blocks, a blower and some charcol..... The more i talk about this the more I realize the the Christmas budget for the old lady just may get tapped into.... me "merry christmass honey" her "what the hell is in that box" me " I made you your christmass gift this year go ahead an open it" Her *wide eyed* "really!?!?! its... its.... an ak47  ,
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I'm going to purchase a prebuilt NDS receiver. If you could bend your own it would save even more money. I don't have the jig. Again fellas, start up costs include the press, jig and reamers for folding your own, a spot welder and the proper tongs for welding in the lower rails, and a kiln, bracing jig and inert gasses for heat treating the folded receiver. It isn't as cheap as simply bending and riveting together. ETA: Although a friend an I were discussing the feasibility of encasing the receiver in clay to avoid the need for inert gas. A non-heat treated steel receiver may as well be aluminum; it wouldn't last more than a few hundred rounds. I've dealt with a couple of soft receivers and they all fail eventually. Edit: grammar. Its too bad you cant rent the stuff, or like the op said, have a build party and everone bring a differnt tool.. My father has a kiln, but that bitch is to heavy to laod up in the ol jeep and transport... Im sure it wouldnt be hard to rig one up, with some blocks, a blower and some charcol..... The more i talk about this the more I realize the the Christmas budget for the old lady just may get tapped into.... me "merry christmass honey" her "what the hell is in that box" me " I made you your christmass gift this year go ahead an open it" Her *wide eyed* "really!?!?! its... its.... an ak47 ,
me "God bless us... everyone" her " jack ass" *storms up stairs" me " I guess that means no christmass morning pie?" her *slamms door* Even if you had all the parts to bend flats, etc. there's never enough time in 1 day to both bend flats and then assemble rifles. Plus, like Thirsty said, without being able to purchase demilled kits that come with an original barrel the time it would take to fit each barrel to the barrel parts would make a build party un-doable in a day. If you have any idea for a different build my ears are open. |
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shit the two i hosted a few years back..we BARELY finished them in one day and our kits were demilled and ready to go as it was. all we had to do was reassemble them. adding ANY step to that process makes a one day party build out of the question....
problem with the build party too is..... you seem to never have enough of the equipment you REALLY need...and organization is a problem. out last build was difficult because we had sooo many people show up and every one of them was building a different kit and was at different stages. it was a long ROUGH day. looking at the prices of AKs sence the start of this thread....id rather just buy one then try and build one. your not saving any money anymore and the quality isnt much different. long gone are the days of building a romy G for 240 bucks...I knew then i shoulda bought 15 kits like i wanted..but i couldnt afford it..and thought "hell..they'll never stop importing these anyway"....... 
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I'm going to purchase a prebuilt NDS receiver. If you could bend your own it would save even more money. I don't have the jig. Again fellas, start up costs include the press, jig and reamers for folding your own, a spot welder and the proper tongs for welding in the lower rails, and a kiln, bracing jig and inert gasses for heat treating the folded receiver. It isn't as cheap as simply bending and riveting together. ETA: Although a friend an I were discussing the feasibility of encasing the receiver in clay to avoid the need for inert gas. A non-heat treated steel receiver may as well be aluminum; it wouldn't last more than a few hundred rounds. I've dealt with a couple of soft receivers and they all fail eventually. Edit: grammar. Its too bad you cant rent the stuff, or like the op said, have a build party and everone bring a differnt tool.. My father has a kiln, but that bitch is to heavy to laod up in the ol jeep and transport... Im sure it wouldnt be hard to rig one up, with some blocks, a blower and some charcol..... The more i talk about this the more I realize the the Christmas budget for the old lady just may get tapped into.... me "merry christmass honey" her "what the hell is in that box" me " I made you your christmass gift this year go ahead an open it" Her *wide eyed* "really!?!?! its... its.... an ak47 ,
me "God bless us... everyone" her " jack ass" *storms up stairs" me " I guess that means no christmass morning pie?" her *slamms door* Even if you had all the parts to bend flats, etc. there's never enough time in 1 day to both bend flats and then assemble rifles. Plus, like Thirsty said, without being able to purchase demilled kits that come with an original barrel the time it would take to fit each barrel to the barrel parts would make a build party un-doable in a day. If you have any idea for a different build my ears are open. Good point, after looking around and priceing things out, I too will just purchase a reciever.. Ill see if I can pick up some side work and see what I can come up with for funds... I will be building 47 vrs the 74, I cant justify stocking up on another caliber at this time as I have cases of 7.62, and dozens of mags already.. Were are you ordering your reciever from? |
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I'm going to purchase a prebuilt NDS receiver. If you could bend your own it would save even more money. I don't have the jig. Again fellas, start up costs include the press, jig and reamers for folding your own, a spot welder and the proper tongs for welding in the lower rails, and a kiln, bracing jig and inert gasses for heat treating the folded receiver. It isn't as cheap as simply bending and riveting together. ETA: Although a friend an I were discussing the feasibility of encasing the receiver in clay to avoid the need for inert gas. A non-heat treated steel receiver may as well be aluminum; it wouldn't last more than a few hundred rounds. I've dealt with a couple of soft receivers and they all fail eventually. Edit: grammar. Its too bad you cant rent the stuff, or like the op said, have a build party and everone bring a differnt tool.. My father has a kiln, but that bitch is to heavy to laod up in the ol jeep and transport... Im sure it wouldnt be hard to rig one up, with some blocks, a blower and some charcol..... The more i talk about this the more I realize the the Christmas budget for the old lady just may get tapped into.... me "merry christmass honey" her "what the hell is in that box" me " I made you your christmass gift this year go ahead an open it" Her *wide eyed* "really!?!?! its... its.... an ak47 ,
me "God bless us... everyone" her " jack ass" *storms up stairs" me " I guess that means no christmass morning pie?" her *slamms door* Even if you had all the parts to bend flats, etc. there's never enough time in 1 day to both bend flats and then assemble rifles. Plus, like Thirsty said, without being able to purchase demilled kits that come with an original barrel the time it would take to fit each barrel to the barrel parts would make a build party un-doable in a day. If you have any idea for a different build my ears are open. Good point, after looking around and priceing things out, I too will just purchase a reciever.. Ill see if I can pick up some side work and see what I can come up with for funds... I will be building 47 vrs the 74, I cant justify stocking up on another caliber at this time as I have cases of 7.62, and dozens of mags already.. Were are you ordering your reciever from? Nodak Spud is where I'm getting the receiver from, I'm starting a 47 build next week and will probably do another one or two throughout the winter. |
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I'm going to purchase a prebuilt NDS receiver. If you could bend your own it would save even more money. I don't have the jig. Again fellas, start up costs include the press, jig and reamers for folding your own, a spot welder and the proper tongs for welding in the lower rails, and a kiln, bracing jig and inert gasses for heat treating the folded receiver. It isn't as cheap as simply bending and riveting together. ETA: Although a friend an I were discussing the feasibility of encasing the receiver in clay to avoid the need for inert gas. A non-heat treated steel receiver may as well be aluminum; it wouldn't last more than a few hundred rounds. I've dealt with a couple of soft receivers and they all fail eventually. Edit: grammar. Its too bad you cant rent the stuff, or like the op said, have a build party and everone bring a differnt tool.. My father has a kiln, but that bitch is to heavy to laod up in the ol jeep and transport... Im sure it wouldnt be hard to rig one up, with some blocks, a blower and some charcol..... The more i talk about this the more I realize the the Christmas budget for the old lady just may get tapped into.... me "merry christmass honey" her "what the hell is in that box" me " I made you your christmass gift this year go ahead an open it" Her *wide eyed* "really!?!?! its... its.... an ak47 ,
me "God bless us... everyone" her " jack ass" *storms up stairs" me " I guess that means no christmass morning pie?" her *slamms door* Even if you had all the parts to bend flats, etc. there's never enough time in 1 day to both bend flats and then assemble rifles. Plus, like Thirsty said, without being able to purchase demilled kits that come with an original barrel the time it would take to fit each barrel to the barrel parts would make a build party un-doable in a day. If you have any idea for a different build my ears are open. Good point, after looking around and priceing things out, I too will just purchase a reciever.. Ill see if I can pick up some side work and see what I can come up with for funds... I will be building 47 vrs the 74, I cant justify stocking up on another caliber at this time as I have cases of 7.62, and dozens of mags already.. Were are you ordering your reciever from? Nodak Spud is where I'm getting the receiver from, I'm starting a 47 build next week and will probably do another one or two throughout the winter. Thanks for the link... Im new to the AK building world, Ill have to do some reaserch on witch receiver will work best for what I want.. I would like to get one that has the holes drilled for an under folder (wishfull thinking that the AWB will one day be found unconstitional), and in the mean time use a fixed stock.. However im not sure if that legal, or it will even fit... How many have you built? |
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I'm going to purchase a prebuilt NDS receiver. If you could bend your own it would save even more money. I don't have the jig. Again fellas, start up costs include the press, jig and reamers for folding your own, a spot welder and the proper tongs for welding in the lower rails, and a kiln, bracing jig and inert gasses for heat treating the folded receiver. It isn't as cheap as simply bending and riveting together. ETA: Although a friend an I were discussing the feasibility of encasing the receiver in clay to avoid the need for inert gas. A non-heat treated steel receiver may as well be aluminum; it wouldn't last more than a few hundred rounds. I've dealt with a couple of soft receivers and they all fail eventually. Edit: grammar. Its too bad you cant rent the stuff, or like the op said, have a build party and everone bring a differnt tool.. My father has a kiln, but that bitch is to heavy to laod up in the ol jeep and transport... Im sure it wouldnt be hard to rig one up, with some blocks, a blower and some charcol..... The more i talk about this the more I realize the the Christmas budget for the old lady just may get tapped into.... me "merry christmass honey" her "what the hell is in that box" me " I made you your christmass gift this year go ahead an open it" Her *wide eyed* "really!?!?! its... its.... an ak47 ,
me "God bless us... everyone" her " jack ass" *storms up stairs" me " I guess that means no christmass morning pie?" her *slamms door* Even if you had all the parts to bend flats, etc. there's never enough time in 1 day to both bend flats and then assemble rifles. Plus, like Thirsty said, without being able to purchase demilled kits that come with an original barrel the time it would take to fit each barrel to the barrel parts would make a build party un-doable in a day. If you have any idea for a different build my ears are open. Good point, after looking around and priceing things out, I too will just purchase a reciever.. Ill see if I can pick up some side work and see what I can come up with for funds... I will be building 47 vrs the 74, I cant justify stocking up on another caliber at this time as I have cases of 7.62, and dozens of mags already.. Were are you ordering your reciever from? Nodak Spud is where I'm getting the receiver from, I'm starting a 47 build next week and will probably do another one or two throughout the winter. Thanks for the link... Im new to the AK building world, Ill have to do some reaserch on witch receiver will work best for what I want.. I would like to get one that has the holes drilled for an under folder (wishfull thinking that the AWB will one day be found unconstitional), and in the mean time use a fixed stock.. However im not sure if that legal, or it will even fit... How many have you built? I've only built one but I'm going to throw another together in the next few weeks. It's not an overly hard gun to build if you take it step by step. |