Posted: 10/19/2006 11:39:01 AM EDT
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Okay, the Army's getting rid of the whole "ARMY of One" BS that they had going on, I'm glad for that. Has anybody seen this yet?video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5988764344764107001&q=%22Army+Strong%22&hl=en I'm sure Skillets and the rest of Uncle Sams Misguided Children will have something to say about the whole "There's nothing on this Green earth Stronger than the US Army". |
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Im from the " Be all you can be" generation, I don't know what it was before that. If it would not get all of the Drill Sgt's bent out of shape, I say "This will Defend" would last a 1000 years... We also need to stop pussy-footing around, and ditch the PCness. We need support types and killers. lets not try and drop one for the other. Anyway, Whatever it is, we do have a great crop of young soldiers now, and even if the slogan is ghey...Our troops are above and beyond that. |
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Aaaaahhhhhhh, ain't that a cute commercial! I always liked the commercial where they show some nameless Army doggie in the middle of the night, in a rainstorm sitting in a mud puddle shivering with the caption "Freedom - It isn't free..." Now that was truth in advertising. And the only reason the grass is green on this "green Earth" is "WHAT MAKES THE GRASS GROW?" BLOOD! BLOOD! BLOOD! WHO MAKES THE BLOOD FLOW? MARINES! |
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Slogans That Did Not Make It ******************************************** 1. "Kill All That You Can Kill" 2. "Shower With Men" 3. "Knock Up Foreign Broads" 4. "All The Grits You Can Eat" 5. "Be A Flame Thrower, Not A Flame Broiler" 6. "Purple Hearts = Free Beers At Hooters" 7. "Whimsical And Human, Just Like M*A*S*H" 8. "Cubicles Are For Wusses" 9. "Napalm Means Serious BBQ" 10. "Over 1,000,000 Sheared, Beaten, And Worked Into A Sub-Human Fury!" 11. "Totally Beefcake and Proud of It" 12. "Beat Up Sailors" 13. "We Won't Screw Your Mind Up As Bad As The Marines Will" 14. "Kicking Nazi Tail Since 1942" 15. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Accessorize" 16. "Risk Your Life for Freedoms No One Appreciates!" 17. "Play Doom For Real" 18. "Sure Beats Lurnin'!" 19. "Because Terminators Are Real" 20. "Forget Nation-Building -- Let's Destroy One!" 21. "Join the Army - The Judge Says So" 22. "Our business is killing people" 23. "We have guns, we'll teach you how to use them" 24. "Get in touch with your inner barbarian." |
+1 Vietnam Warriors: A Statistical Profile In Uniform and In Country Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation. 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era (Aug. 5, 1964-May 7, 1975) 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug. 5, 1964-March 28, 1973). 3,403,100 (including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters). 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1, 1965- March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964. Of the 2.6 million, between 1-1.6 million (40-60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack. 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam. Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1969). Casualties Hostile deaths: 47,378 Non-hostile deaths: 10,800 Total: 58,202 (includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total. 8 nurses died -- 1 was KIA. Married men killed: 17,539 61% of the men killed were 21 or younger Highest state death rate: West Virginia- 84.1 (national average 58.9 for every 100,000 males in 1970). Wounded: 303,704 -- 153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care. Severely disabled: 75,000 -- 23,214 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations. Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than in Korea. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII. Missing in Action: 2,338. POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity). Draftees vs. Volunteers: 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.) Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam. Reservists killed: 5,977. National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died. Total draftees (1965-73): 1,728,344. Actually served in Vietnam: 38% Marine Corps draft: 42,633. Last man drafted: June 30, 1973. Race and Ethnic Background 88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races. 86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics); 12.5% (7,241) were black; 1.2% belonged to other races. 170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there. 70% of enlisted men killed were of Northwest European descent. 86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black; 1.1% belonged to other races. 14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks. 34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms. Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population. Religion of Dead: Protestant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none --6.7%. Socio-Economic Status 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds. Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds. Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations. 79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.) Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South-31; West-29.9; Midwest-28.4; Northeast-23.5. Winning & Losing 82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of lack of political will. Nearly 75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms. Honorable Service 97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged. 91% of actual Vietnam War veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country. 66% of Vietnam vets say they would serve again if called upon. 87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem. |
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Getting back to the video, I think it was done very well. Did not show me anything I already didn't know but I thought it was very well done. The stats you show Mike are also very relevant, many of them I was not aware of I do not spend alot of my time worrying about that perticular history. Others would probably would. I know VN was a time when all that I served with were indistructable. We soon found out some were not.................... |
AAMOF, I am aware of that, and that a similar situation existed during the Korean War. My father enjoyed the farm so much he "volunteereed to be drafted" during that earlier police action. He graduated from AIT the day after the armistice was signed. Doesn't change the fact that before "Be All You Can Be" there were recruiting campains, but they didn't really have a slogan--unless you count this one:  ETA: Crud! OK, link to Wikipedia page w/Montgomery Flagg's famous recruiting poster |
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Damn near sigline material there! GrabMyWrist- Thanks for the Viet Nam War stats.....what's the origin of those?
Hmmmm....An armistice I served under in 1996........Gotta luv them kooky Koreans, North and South. Not that I think there's much of a difference. My dad once told me the solution to the VietNam War....put all the "good" Veitnamese on a boat, bomb the country flat.....sink the boat. I gotta wonder if that goes for ALL of Asia???? SW Asia????? Crud is right!
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Thanks. I found them here. If you back up one page you will get The Unofficial River Section/Division 531. Pretty neat site. |
The best part about the Marine Corps is that they get recruits regardless of commercials or "money for college". Its an intangible thing. But I have allways been friendly to the army cats, as they have the same mission I do. We are on the same side after all. No matter what the army says or does the Corps will push the standards a few steps higher. Its not just a cock mesuring contest either. The Marine Corps must constantly fight to exist. |
Didnt Army of ONE actually stand for Officers, Non-comissioned officers, and enlisted? |
GI brush and GI shoes, Gee I wish I had some booze... Drill Sergeant Dudley threatened me with C Rat Scrambled Eggs. When I told him I liked them, he was actually speechless --for 5 seconds. |
I have 3 C-rat Scrambled Egg meals... I dare you to eat one infront of all of us. 
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Wow...that new commercial is "Army ghey".... I personally like the "This, I will defend." It dosn't have the flashy MTVesqueness of the "Army ghey" slogan. It has more intangible yet deeper meaning to it that reaches to a deeper level of commitment rather then trying to prove what kind of a badass you are by buying into the "Army strong" crap. "This, I will defend." denotates a quiet, determined, dedicated professionalism whereas "Army strong" seems to cater to ghetto rats who wanna be flexin'... 
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Now lets hope some of those wanna-be thug4life ghetto hood rat playaz join up and get the suburbia kicked outta them and they finally learn some respect. |
Unfortunatley the Army is full of wanna be thugz and playaz, and the Army doesn't change them. In the Last 16 years that I've been in and out of the Army I've seen it go down hill. There is no Discipline anymore. When you try to correct somebody they just run to IG because you're picking on them. Lord Knows you can't swear at the little shit heads anymore. And the officer Corp is getting just as bad. Last year I took a "thug" in to get an Article 15 because he just didn't want the Army to interfere with his Party time, so he never made it to formations on time (8 counselings for failure to be at appointed time and place of duty). The CO (a female) actually giggled as she read him the Art 15, then 14 days extra duty, 14 days restriction, no Rank or Money taken. WTF? Used to be 3 counselings for the same thing, and you get hammered. But if you're an NCO who tells a soldier exactley what you think of him, Well, see my thread about making Staff Sergeant for the Second Time. Ok, Rant Off. Back to the Subject at hand. "This We'll Defend", or "This, I will Defend" would be the best slogans I can think of to, an its already on the Army Flag. |
Wow... That is pretty sad. Our CO swears at Marines constantly. 1st SGT doesnt because he is Uber Christian, but he would if he could. NCOs can swear at junior Marines All they want. Shit... Our Plt Sgt still chokes Marines from time to time. Granted I hate that mother*&^&( but there is good order and discipline. As for thugs... we have a few, but it is well known that that behavior is not tolarated and isnt a problem. I think the majority wanted a change, and for the most part they get it. |