Posted: 1/21/2015 10:35:36 AM EDT
| I've got an M&P Sport and am not impressed by the trigger, specifically the reset. I have to release it a lot further up than I would like. What are my budget options for fixing this? |
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The RRA NM trigger is a good value for money spent. Not what I would put on a precision rifle, but excellent for what I call a "door kicker" rig. Agreed. It's been a reliable trigger for over a decade. Got one of these on a rifle that I've run suppressed and very hard for thousands of rounds. Would highly recommend for the money. The ALG is not a bad option either for half the price or so. |
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Trading Places Pawn in Monroe has the QMS for $42, if ordering you can get another 10% discount using code 10off. How would this be better than polishing up the surfaces of the stock trigger and adding a $10 spring kit? I will check out Trading Places though, thanks for that! |
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All USGI-style stock triggers suck, and changing springs will not affect reset travel. You would be polishing a turd.
ALG is your most low budget option IMO, as stated above. I use Geissele SSA-E and NM triggers, RR 2-stage (and I would use it for a precision rifle if you send it to John Holliger at White Oak for tuning; I legged out and made P100 with one), and Millazo-Kreiger. Still think the Milazzo-Kreiger is the very best 2-stage match trigger for the AR if you can find one, but this would not be a budget trigger, no. A good trigger will give you the most bang-for-buck accuracy-wise assuming the rest of the rifle is reasonable quality. IMO YMMV |
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How would this be better than polishing up the surfaces of the stock trigger and adding a $10 spring kit? I will check out Trading Places though, thanks for that! Quoted:
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Trading Places Pawn in Monroe has the QMS for $42, if ordering you can get another 10% discount using code 10off. How would this be better than polishing up the surfaces of the stock trigger and adding a $10 spring kit? I will check out Trading Places though, thanks for that! USGI triggers are only surface hardened so if you remove much material it will cause failure. I've had this happen on a trigger I polished a little too aggressively. |
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Quoted: Has anyone checked out the Hiperfire Hipertouch EDT? I hadn't heard about it before today. Looks like it's around $85. A little more than the ALG, but the hammer design is different. I like the 24C better for my competition guns but for a budget replacement I think the EDT is hard to beat. The main thing I love about my Hiperfires is that I have NEVER had a light strike, that was an issue that my giessele and CMC triggers would occasionally struggle with. |
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Its sweet. I have two of them. Disclaimer they are one of my sponsors. I like the 24C better for my competition guns but for a budget replacement I think the EDT is hard to beat. The main thing I love about my Hiperfires is that I have NEVER had a light strike, that was an issue that my giessele and CMC triggers would occasionally struggle with. Quoted:
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Has anyone checked out the Hiperfire Hipertouch EDT? I hadn't heard about it before today. Looks like it's around $85. A little more than the ALG, but the hammer design is different. I like the 24C better for my competition guns but for a budget replacement I think the EDT is hard to beat. The main thing I love about my Hiperfires is that I have NEVER had a light strike, that was an issue that my giessele and CMC triggers would occasionally struggle with. What's the pull on them? 4-4.5lbs? How's the reset? It's the reset that is really bugging me about the stock trigger, with excessive creep being a close second. |
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What's the pull on them? 4-4.5lbs? How's the reset? It's the reset that is really bugging me about the stock trigger, with excessive creep being a close second. Quoted:
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Has anyone checked out the Hiperfire Hipertouch EDT? I hadn't heard about it before today. Looks like it's around $85. A little more than the ALG, but the hammer design is different. I like the 24C better for my competition guns but for a budget replacement I think the EDT is hard to beat. The main thing I love about my Hiperfires is that I have NEVER had a light strike, that was an issue that my giessele and CMC triggers would occasionally struggle with. What's the pull on them? 4-4.5lbs? How's the reset? It's the reset that is really bugging me about the stock trigger, with excessive creep being a close second. +10 This is what I would get, a Hiperfire EDT. Forget trying to fix a stock trigger that is crap to begin with, all the polishing in the world will still not fix the reset. Obviously if you want the shortest possible while still having a safe and properly functioning FCG, the 24 series Hiperfires are the way to go but the model 24E starts at $215 and solves all the problems of the stock AR15 FCG including light strikes even with a 2 pound trigger pull! The EDT is the next best thing for $89. It comes with two trigger pull weight options 4.5 and 5.5 pounds (my son's averaged 4.4 when measured). My son put several 100 rounds through his new AR with the EDT and couldn't be happier (unless of course he had my Hiperfire 24C)! |
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jmarkma beat me to the punch with some great advice! I've seen AR's that doubled when fired because they were "polished" too aggressively. You know why Polish and polish are spelled the same? Cuz they don't know the difference between shit and shinola. I like to be a do it yourself person, but I won't touch a trigger! Leave that to the pros |
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+10 This is what I would get, a Hiperfire EDT. Forget trying to fix a stock trigger that is crap to begin with, all the polishing in the world will still not fix the reset. Obviously if you want the shortest possible while still having a safe and properly functioning FCG, the 24 series Hiperfires are the way to go but the model 24E starts at $215 and solves all the problems of the stock AR15 FCG including light strikes even with a 2 pound trigger pull! The EDT is the next best thing for $89. It comes with two trigger pull weight options 4.5 and 5.5 pounds (my son's averaged 4.4 when measured). My son put several 100 rounds through his new AR with the EDT and couldn't be happier (unless of course he had my Hiperfire 24C)! Quoted:
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Has anyone checked out the Hiperfire Hipertouch EDT? I hadn't heard about it before today. Looks like it's around $85. A little more than the ALG, but the hammer design is different. I like the 24C better for my competition guns but for a budget replacement I think the EDT is hard to beat. The main thing I love about my Hiperfires is that I have NEVER had a light strike, that was an issue that my giessele and CMC triggers would occasionally struggle with. What's the pull on them? 4-4.5lbs? How's the reset? It's the reset that is really bugging me about the stock trigger, with excessive creep being a close second. +10 This is what I would get, a Hiperfire EDT. Forget trying to fix a stock trigger that is crap to begin with, all the polishing in the world will still not fix the reset. Obviously if you want the shortest possible while still having a safe and properly functioning FCG, the 24 series Hiperfires are the way to go but the model 24E starts at $215 and solves all the problems of the stock AR15 FCG including light strikes even with a 2 pound trigger pull! The EDT is the next best thing for $89. It comes with two trigger pull weight options 4.5 and 5.5 pounds (my son's averaged 4.4 when measured). My son put several 100 rounds through his new AR with the EDT and couldn't be happier (unless of course he had my Hiperfire 24C)! I'm thinking that this is what I am going to go with. I've been dorking out researching the crap out of this and really liking what I am seeing. The 4.5 and 5.5lb spring options as well as the excellent reset (nice audible click) are impressive. Best place to order it? A Google search only came up with Red Barn Armory as carrying these for $85 (other than direct from the manufacturer) but have never dealt with them before. |
| For a step up from the ALGS I think the Rock River is a great choice . I have 1 in a rifle that has seen 4 years of solid three gun and suppressed use and not a problem . It shortens the reset and can be had for under $100 with a little looking . The Hyperfire I have no experience with . The ALGS is a great trigger and I have one of those in a gun as an experiment . No issues and a nice clean all be it a hair heavier than the others break . The Geissele is more money and is amazing. |
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Quoted: I'm thinking that this is what I am going to go with. I've been dorking out researching the crap out of this and really liking what I am seeing. The 4.5 and 5.5lb spring options as well as the excellent reset (nice audible click) are impressive. Best place to order it? A Google search only came up with Red Barn Armory as carrying these for $85 (other than direct from the manufacturer) but have never dealt with them before. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone checked out the Hiperfire Hipertouch EDT? I hadn't heard about it before today. Looks like it's around $85. A little more than the ALG, but the hammer design is different. I like the 24C better for my competition guns but for a budget replacement I think the EDT is hard to beat. The main thing I love about my Hiperfires is that I have NEVER had a light strike, that was an issue that my giessele and CMC triggers would occasionally struggle with. What's the pull on them? 4-4.5lbs? How's the reset? It's the reset that is really bugging me about the stock trigger, with excessive creep being a close second. +10 This is what I would get, a Hiperfire EDT. Forget trying to fix a stock trigger that is crap to begin with, all the polishing in the world will still not fix the reset. Obviously if you want the shortest possible while still having a safe and properly functioning FCG, the 24 series Hiperfires are the way to go but the model 24E starts at $215 and solves all the problems of the stock AR15 FCG including light strikes even with a 2 pound trigger pull! The EDT is the next best thing for $89. It comes with two trigger pull weight options 4.5 and 5.5 pounds (my son's averaged 4.4 when measured). My son put several 100 rounds through his new AR with the EDT and couldn't be happier (unless of course he had my Hiperfire 24C)! I'm thinking that this is what I am going to go with. I've been dorking out researching the crap out of this and really liking what I am seeing. The 4.5 and 5.5lb spring options as well as the excellent reset (nice audible click) are impressive. Best place to order it? A Google search only came up with Red Barn Armory as carrying these for $85 (other than direct from the manufacturer) but have never dealt with them before. Rainer Arms should be getting some if I remember correctly. As someone else mentioned the reset is great. Not 24C great, but for its price point and application I love it.
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| The EDT is probably going to be used as a standard trigger by some manufactures and builders. I would say order direct from Hiperfire since until its fully stocked nobody is going to be even slightly discounting them. An added bonus is that Hiperfire is very good about shipping and handling, it was $4 on mine. This of course assumes its in stock at Hiperfire as demand is high right now and its a new product that they are ramping up, so it might be easier to get it from a retailer if you want it quickly and don't mind a little more expensive S&H. |
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This Grip Screw will help most AR triggers with overtravel and reset.
Link www.centerfiretraining.com |
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This Grip Screw will help most AR triggers with overtravel and reset. Link www.centerfiretraining.com A less elegant and much cheaper option if anyone is so inclined: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/457823_.html |
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A less elegant and much cheaper option if anyone is so inclined: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/457823_.html Quoted:
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This Grip Screw will help most AR triggers with overtravel and reset. Link www.centerfiretraining.com A less elegant and much cheaper option if anyone is so inclined: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/457823_.html My neighbor in the mountains used this method following the instructions and using Loctite. Put about a 1000 rounds through his AR and it stopped firing. Hammer would not break. Pull the trigger back, it stops, heavy resistance, finally click, but no fire. It was the stupid grip screw supposed reset fix. As parts wear and seat within the firearm, things change and the setting of the grip screw no longer allows the trigger to break the hammer! This can be a bad thing if it just happens to be that one time you need your weapon to function most! These also just address a symptom and don't actually fix the problem or the other issues of a mil-spec or standard AR trigger (gravel feel, heavy trigger pull, sloppy break). Where as replacing the FCG with new parts specifically engineered to fix these issues WITHOUT any adjustable parts or set screws eliminates the problem forever without that lingering feeling of is this going to work when I need it most. I will tell you one thing, my life and those of my family are worth way more then saving $89 on a Hiperfire EDT trigger which is a good solution to this issue! |
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My neighbor in the mountains used this method following the instructions and using Loctite. Put about a 1000 rounds through his AR and it stopped firing. Hammer would not break. Pull the trigger back, it stops, heavy resistance, finally click, but no fire. It was the stupid grip screw supposed reset fix. As parts wear and seat within the firearm, things change and the setting of the grip screw no longer allows the trigger to break the hammer! This can be a bad thing if it just happens to be that one time you need your weapon to function most! These also just address a symptom and don't actually fix the problem or the other issues of a mil-spec or standard AR trigger (gravel feel, heavy trigger pull, sloppy break). Where as replacing the FCG with new parts specifically engineered to fix these issues WITHOUT any adjustable parts or set screws eliminates the problem forever without that lingering feeling of is this going to work when I need it most. I will tell you one thing, my life and those of my family are worth way more then saving $89 on a Hiperfire EDT trigger which is a good solution to this issue! Quoted:
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This Grip Screw will help most AR triggers with overtravel and reset. Link www.centerfiretraining.com A less elegant and much cheaper option if anyone is so inclined: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/457823_.html My neighbor in the mountains used this method following the instructions and using Loctite. Put about a 1000 rounds through his AR and it stopped firing. Hammer would not break. Pull the trigger back, it stops, heavy resistance, finally click, but no fire. It was the stupid grip screw supposed reset fix. As parts wear and seat within the firearm, things change and the setting of the grip screw no longer allows the trigger to break the hammer! This can be a bad thing if it just happens to be that one time you need your weapon to function most! These also just address a symptom and don't actually fix the problem or the other issues of a mil-spec or standard AR trigger (gravel feel, heavy trigger pull, sloppy break). Where as replacing the FCG with new parts specifically engineered to fix these issues WITHOUT any adjustable parts or set screws eliminates the problem forever without that lingering feeling of is this going to work when I need it most. I will tell you one thing, my life and those of my family are worth way more then saving $89 on a Hiperfire EDT trigger which is a good solution to this issue! Agreed, which is why I just ordered one. 
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Here is my advice guarantee, if you end up not liking the EDT, I'll buy it from you! 
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Agreed, which is why I just ordered one.
Here is my advice guarantee, if you end up not liking the EDT, I'll buy it from you!
What worries me is that I have an M&P 15-22 that is bone stock and this trigger will be a slippery slope 
There were some fantastic videos on YouTube of it that really sold me. Shows not just the installation but also the build quality and how crisp the break is. The reset was also quick and very audible. The spring on the stock one felt like the same that you'd get in a jack in the box toy with the same "sproing" which is not the feeling I want with a life-saving weapon. |
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What worries me is that I have an M&P 15-22 that is bone stock and this trigger will be a slippery slope
There were some fantastic videos on YouTube of it that really sold me. Shows not just the installation but also the build quality and how crisp the break is. The reset was also quick and very audible. The spring on the stock one felt like the same that you'd get in a jack in the box toy with the same "sproing" which is not the feeling I want with a life-saving weapon. Quoted:
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Agreed, which is why I just ordered one.
Here is my advice guarantee, if you end up not liking the EDT, I'll buy it from you!
What worries me is that I have an M&P 15-22 that is bone stock and this trigger will be a slippery slope
There were some fantastic videos on YouTube of it that really sold me. Shows not just the installation but also the build quality and how crisp the break is. The reset was also quick and very audible. The spring on the stock one felt like the same that you'd get in a jack in the box toy with the same "sproing" which is not the feeling I want with a life-saving weapon. More like the edge of a precipice. Just take a peek over the edge and back away . . .
It's a fine weapon as-is, so I wouldn't go all tactinutz on it. But without a decent trigger, you will never tap into the potential that it has. |
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More like the edge of a precipice. Just take a peek over the edge and back away . . .
It's a fine weapon as-is, so I wouldn't go all tactinutz on it. But without a decent trigger, you will never tap into the potential that it has. Well said. I see tons of guys that will spend $350 to $450 on a rail system and $900 to $1200 on an optic, but refuse to spend a dime for a trigger much less $235 on a FCG Trigger from Hiperfire that solves every problem there is with the stock AR15 FCG! Best rail in the world with a Leupold Mark 4 mounted on it is a bunch of wasted money with a 10 pound stock AR gravel trigger in the lower! |
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