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12/13/2007 4:57:53 PM EDT
I should know this, but Im running a blank at the moment.
I have a RRA 16 M4 upper on my AR now. I want to switch to a 10.5" upper and permatach a 5.5" fake suppresor. am I leagle or would that be a no go? would it be 16" overall?, we all talked about this before, but the thing im worried about is if they measure a 10.5" bbl to the threads or include them? if they dont theres a possability when i mount the can I'd end up 1/2 to an inch short of 16"?

any ideas?
12/13/2007 5:14:36 PM EDT
[#1]
long as the muzzle device (doesnt matter what kind except if a flash hider) brings the overall  BBL length to 16 inches your clear.  It must be PERM attached, cant just be threaded on.

12/13/2007 5:36:36 PM EDT
[#2]
Has to go on a preban receiver too.
12/13/2007 5:52:38 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Has to go on a preban receiver too.


only if the fake surpressor is considered a flash hider, or the upper has a bayonet lug.


also if the lower has a collapsible stock, it must be fixed.

if it is indeed pre-94 PREBAN then these features are then ok to have.
12/13/2007 6:05:10 PM EDT
[#4]
im aware of the stated rules. that was not really my question, Im sorry.

what im trying to figure out is if a 10.5" bbl is measured including the threaded part, and the fake can is 5.5"OAL and it threads over the bbl, then would i loose 1/2" making the OAL only 15.5"

mingya I just read that and it dont even make sence to me. I need sleep
12/14/2007 6:30:03 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
what im trying to figure out is if a 10.5" bbl is measured including the threaded part


yes.  when you couple (using threads) a 10.5" barrel with a 5.5" brake, the result will not be 16".

here is the acid test...

cut a 1/8" diameter wood dowel to 16 and 1/8" (16.125") long.
drop dowel into the barrel, letting it rest against the bolt face.

does the dowel protrude from the barrel?

no: good.
yes: no good.

(note: remove dowel before shooting rifle   )

ar-jedi
12/14/2007 3:34:31 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
what im trying to figure out is if a 10.5" bbl is measured including the threaded part


yes.  when you couple (using threads) a 10.5" barrel with a 5.5" brake, the result will not be 16".


ar-jedi



I was afraid of that. anyway you can make it work? I like the fake can and want the shortest bbl i can. the only other one i'm finding in a 14.5". I have a 16" now and with the can on the end it just looks kinda silly
12/14/2007 3:52:26 PM EDT
[#7]
You are going to need am 11.5 inch barrel.  Bushmaster makes/sells that type of upper.  For Pre/no ban weapons, they use the flash hider.  For post ban weapons they have a 5.5 AK styled brake.
12/14/2007 10:56:05 PM EDT
[#8]
The barrel is measured from the bolt face in battery to the the end of the muzzle brake/FH.

ETA: If  I remember correctly Bushmaster sells an internally threaded 5.5" looking FH that slips over a portion of the barrel and adds a little to the total length Making the barrel look shorter than it actually is.
12/15/2007 7:28:51 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
The barrel is measured from the bolt face in battery to the the end of the muzzle brake/FH.

ETA: If  I remember correctly Bushmaster sells an internally threaded 5.5" looking FH that slips over a portion of the barrel and adds a little to the total length Making the barrel look shorter than it actually is.


That's for a 16 inch barrel.