Posted: 1/7/2012 1:07:37 PM EDT
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Does anyone know if Aimsurplus charges for FFL Background check when you pick up at their site –– I know they used to but have not purchased a firearm in a long time.
Thanks for any help –– thinking of picking up a AR Lower to go with my RR Upper I picked up at the OGCA. Thanks UK |
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The couple I have bought during the NICS process been fill out paper, they call, you on your merry way, I never been charged..
I was on way home from training in Cincy, tied up in traffic a bit, rolled into AIM lot at 5pm, they closed the doors as I was getting out of car.. I went up the road and bought an AR-15 lower along I-75 on way home and not pay any NICS check, that been maybe 3yr now. |
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AIM charges a "FFL Fee" on top of the price they charge you for the item? This. They charge $15 for a NICS check if you pickup at the shop. Is this a common charge at gun shops in Ohio? The ONLY time I've paid FFL fees in when I'm either sending, or receiving items that I did not buy from or order through that particular dealer; GunBroker deals, etc. If you're buying something from them directly, and they add on $15 for a 3 minute or so phone call, that's BS. I'd say forget that and have them ship to another FFL that I'd rather give my hard earned monopoly money to. |
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I m getting the Punisher stripped lower and they are the only local place that has any in stock and it seems none are to be found online either.
Have considered getting my FFL ,my family and friends buy enough guns to make it worth while just never wanted to mess with the hassle. |
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Unless its a big ammo order thats my stance. There shouldn't bee any additional fees on ammo, other than shipping. Quoted:
I m getting the Punisher stripped lower and they are the only local place that has any in stock and it seems none are to be found online either. Have considered getting my FFL ,my family and friends buy enough guns to make it worth while just never wanted to mess with the hassle. My buddy got one from them because he specifically wanted the punisher roll mark, it had some blemishes (and they are not described as being cosmetic blem lowers on the website). They did give him a $15 credit towards his next purchase, so that was cool. Figured I'd warn you in case that's something that would bother you. |
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AIM charges a "FFL Fee" on top of the price they charge you for the item? This. They charge $15 for a NICS check if you pickup at the shop. Is this a common charge at gun shops in Ohio? The ONLY time I've paid FFL fees in when I'm either sending, or receiving items that I did not buy from or order through that particular dealer; GunBroker deals, etc. If you're buying something from them directly, and they add on $15 for a 3 minute or so phone call, that's BS. I'd say forget that and have them ship to another FFL that I'd rather give my hard earned monopoly money to. That's what I was thinking. No other shop has ever charged me for the NICS check on an instore transaction. |
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My personal opinion is that adding an additional 15 bucks is a rip off. They are already making money on the sale, and the NICS check doesn't cost them anything. 
Just my 2 cents worth! Don't believe it costs any dealer any money, but they still charge it. |
| It's a bullshit charge to us locals and false adviertising and it's exactly why I don't buy from them anymore. I went up there for my appointment to buy 2 AR15 lowers and they sprung that crap on me. I asked why they didn't tell me about until I got up there and why it wasn't on their website. They said it wasn't fair to FFL holders to not charge it. They let me walk so I haven't been back. |
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It's a bullshit charge to us locals and false adviertising and it's exactly why I don't buy from them anymore. I went up there for my appointment to buy 2 AR15 lowers and they sprung that crap on me. I asked why they didn't tell me about until I got up there and why it wasn't on their website. They said it wasn't fair to FFL holders to not charge it. They let me walk so I haven't been back. Cool, so I can just tack $15 on to every sale I make, awesome :) I guess it works for them, its what they want to do to cover the trouble of making in person sales. Sounds like they just need to drop those sale types and stick with mail order only. |
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It's a bullshit charge to us locals and false adviertising and it's exactly why I don't buy from them anymore. I went up there for my appointment to buy 2 AR15 lowers and they sprung that crap on me. I asked why they didn't tell me about until I got up there and why it wasn't on their website. They said it wasn't fair to FFL holders to not charge it. They let me walk so I haven't been back. Cool, so I can just tack $15 on to every sale I make, awesome :) I guess it works for them, its what they want to do to cover the trouble of making in person sales. Sounds like they just need to drop those sale types and stick with mail order only. I think its complete bull shit even after you have to make an appointment!    And i was just starting to like them
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It's a bullshit charge to us locals and false adviertising and it's exactly why I don't buy from them anymore. I went up there for my appointment to buy 2 AR15 lowers and they sprung that crap on me. I asked why they didn't tell me about until I got up there and why it wasn't on their website. They said it wasn't fair to FFL holders to not charge it. They let me walk so I haven't been back. Cool, so I can just tack $15 on to every sale I make, awesome :) Not if you want to make "customers for life". I'm one who will continue to spend my hard earned monoploy money at places that treat me right and don't take advantage of me just because they can. I'll even pay a bit more on something to shop local and receive that above average customer service. So, don't follow this example if you truly want to be a successful dealer. I hope to one day hold a FFL and open a shop and indoor range, and you can bet I'll strive my best to offer my customers the best CS and prices they can find. But hey, that's just me....
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It's a bullshit charge to us locals and false adviertising and it's exactly why I don't buy from them anymore. I went up there for my appointment to buy 2 AR15 lowers and they sprung that crap on me. I asked why they didn't tell me about until I got up there and why it wasn't on their website. They said it wasn't fair to FFL holders to not charge it. They let me walk so I haven't been back. Cool, so I can just tack $15 on to every sale I make, awesome :) Not if you want to make "customers for life". I'm one who will continue to spend my hard earned monoploy money at places that treat me right and don't take advantage of me just because they can. I'll even pay a bit more on something to shop local and receive that above average customer service. So, don't follow this example if you truly want to be a successful dealer. I hope to one day hold a FFL and open a shop and indoor range, and you can bet I'll strive my best to offer my customers the best CS and prices they can find. But hey, that's just me.... Exactly Right! There are other FFLs around here that can get and sell the same products for the same price without the "hassle charge" |
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It's a bullshit charge to us locals and false adviertising and it's exactly why I don't buy from them anymore. I went up there for my appointment to buy 2 AR15 lowers and they sprung that crap on me. I asked why they didn't tell me about until I got up there and why it wasn't on their website. They said it wasn't fair to FFL holders to not charge it. They let me walk so I haven't been back. Cool, so I can just tack $15 on to every sale I make, awesome :) Not if you want to make "customers for life". I'm one who will continue to spend my hard earned monoploy money at places that treat me right and don't take advantage of me just because they can. I'll even pay a bit more on something to shop local and receive that above average customer service. So, don't follow this example if you truly want to be a successful dealer. I hope to one day hold a FFL and open a shop and indoor range, and you can bet I'll strive my best to offer my customers the best CS and prices they can find. But hey, that's just me.... Exactly Right! There are other FFLs around here that can get and sell the same products for the same price without the "hassle charge" This $15.00 fee is much like the "convenience fee" that some gun shops are adding to the price of their products when using a credit or debit card. |
| Makes sense to me. AIM generally does not sell directly to the public. Record keeping is MUCH easier when dealing only with other dealers. For the them, the $15 is for the hassle of the extra paperwork/time/record keeping of the 4473, and possible trace backs. If you dont like the $15, ship it to your dealer and pay his transfer fee. |
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Makes sense to me. AIM generally does not sell directly to the public. Record keeping is MUCH easier when dealing only with other dealers. For the them, the $15 is for the hassle of the extra paperwork/time/record keeping of the 4473, and possible trace backs. If you dont like the $15, ship it to your dealer and pay his transfer fee. I agree. Their business model is not to be a walk in shop. They have offered that convenience for a fee. I see nothing wrong with this. If you can find comparable prices at a local retail shop, then more power to you. My local shops can't come close. |
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So, don't follow this example if you truly want to be a successful dealer. I hope to one day hold a FFL and open a shop and indoor range, and you can bet I'll strive my best to offer my customers the best CS and prices they can find. But hey, that's just me.... It was most definitely sarcasm, we have built out business on charging fairly and being reasonable. |
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Makes sense to me. AIM generally does not sell directly to the public. Record keeping is MUCH easier when dealing only with other dealers. For the them, the $15 is for the hassle of the extra paperwork/time/record keeping of the 4473, and possible trace backs. If you dont like the $15, ship it to your dealer and pay his transfer fee. I agree |
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Makes sense to me. AIM generally does not sell directly to the public. Record keeping is MUCH easier when dealing only with other dealers. For the them, the $15 is for the hassle of the extra paperwork/time/record keeping of the 4473, and possible trace backs. If you dont like the $15, ship it to your dealer and pay his transfer fee. This says it all. Thread closed |
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Seems like dealers support this fee, while those that have to pay the fee don't support an additional fee to do business with AIM. That's because the dealers make a profit from the item being sent to them. (10-35 bucks for a simple NICS check, and an entry to their log book and filing the 4473) The buyers are the ones paying. I still Believe that AIM should not charge the 15 bucks NICS fee because they are already profiting from the initial sale. And they still have to log the dealer sale in their log book. I'll NOT deal with AIM again! |
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And they still have to log the dealer sale in their log book. That's it, a dealer sale means opening the A&D book, writing the name and the 8 digit FFL. Done. For a person to come to AIM for an individual sale Aim must: Maintain a supply of 4473. It may not seem like much, but shelf space is a commodity to most surplus suppliers. Keep a file cabinet of all the filled out 4473s filed accordingly. See above about space. Has to collect and file OH sales tax Open the A&D book and log the sale out. Have to deal with all the customers who show up with the wrong address on their IDs. Have to deal with Delays and Deny sales - more paperwork to keep track of. File multiple sale reports for more than 1 handgun purchase - more paperwork to keep track of. Deal with trace backs, which means looking up the reference number in the A&D book, then locating and sending the ATF a copy of the FFL. Have to deal with the additional ATF inspection time, while the inspectors go through all the 4473s. If the business is surplus sales to other dealers, and they only charge $15 for all the hassle associated with individual sales - $15 is way too cheap. I dont know why AIM deals with the public directly at all? |
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I still Believe that AIM should not charge the 15 bucks NICS fee because they are already profiting from the initial sale. And just how much should they be allowed to profit according to you Comrade skidman? Has to collect and file OH sales tax I'm NOT saying what their profit margin should be! That's their business. I'm saying that an extra 15 bucks tacked on is ridiculous! And you state that they have to collect Ohio sales tax! Doesn't everyone that sells retail? What's that have to do with the NICS charge Comrade bigbore? |
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As the originator of this discussion –– I am sorry I opened the can of worms.
–– I have no trouble with them charging as long as they advertise on their website that there is a cost –– Make sure they charge everyone, I am sure they do not charge some people. They do the NICS check but do not charge for it –– I have talked to people who have not been charged. Knowing that they charge for NICS Check essentially means that I will have them ship the items to my FFL –– It will cost me essentially the same amount of money but saves me the 20 miles drive from my house. UK |
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As the originator of this discussion –– I am sorry I opened the can of worms. –– Make sure they charge everyone, I am sure they do not charge some people. Wow!!! This thread essentially proves my point that the American voter deserves four more years of zero and his gang. Iam dumbfounded this kind of thinking is displayed on a gunboard. Maybe this would be agood opportunity for a new fairness coucil headed by some marxist czar. |
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Charging extra for something that costs them nothing is a money maker.
(for them) I had an FFL for around 15 years and never charged anyone for the NICS check. The only time was when Ohio charged $25 and you had to FAX the info in for approval to the state BCI if memory serves me correctly. I am not a huge AIM or SOG fan and I am in Ohio. They are free to charge or make their own rules but I shop accordingly. Since they have a retail pick up counter they already have the vendors license number and the NICS check takes all of 5 minutes. Storing 4473's is pretty simple as well. Its just a surcharge you have to consider if your buying from them. They (AIM) have been hit & miss for quality of guns when I dealt with them with SOG the real crap shoot for what your getting. If they allowed you to pick out your firearm in person then I would not complain about the $15 and consider it your own hand pick fee. I have no problems with people making money on equipment but charging for service for their own sale that cost them zero is tacky IMHO. YMMV |
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As the originator of this discussion –– I am sorry I opened the can of worms. –– Make sure they charge everyone, I am sure they do not charge some people. Wow!!! This thread essentially proves my point that the American voter deserves four more years of zero and his gang. Iam dumbfounded this kind of thinking is displayed on a gunboard. Maybe this would be agood opportunity for a new fairness coucil headed by some marxist czar. Wow! I'm sorry that I ever responded to this thread. I was just stating my own opinion. Which as far as I know is still legal under the freedom of speech act. But some users seem to be taking it personal!  Maybe the sight sponsers stick together.
And NO I don't support 4 more years of Obama and his comrades! I've expressed my 2 cents worth and I'm finished with AIM and this thread! 
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I dont begrudge anyone who takes their business elsewhere but to say they already make enough or demand they not give discounts to anyone is arrogant and goes against the grain of American principles(or at least it used to). It reminds me of people that get an attitude if they see you buy a new car or eat out too much through the week. "Must be nice to be able to afford such and such". Take care of yourself, spend your money where you want and quit worrying about what so and so has.
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Wow... the whining around here is getting ridiculous. 
When I was at AIM in early 2008, the FFL fee was a flat $15. 1 gun or 10. Quantity didn't matter. If I'm taking the time to drive somewhere, I'm going to make it worthwhile. I went in with a nice stack of cash and walked out with about two bucks in my wallet. What's my other option? Pay shipping to my FFL and pay him $20 to $25 for each gun. The only "problem" with AIM now is the limited times for ammo and firearms pickup. Taking time off work to go there will cost me more than shipping and FFL fee unless I buy a bunch of stuff. I periodically find myself driving by them but it's never the right day or planned ahead. Thier pickup policy has saved me a fortune. :) Personally, I'd love to see them implement a more flexible pickup time policy with a minimum purchase amount to make it worth their time. |
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