[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Amendment 5 results (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/5/2014 4:18:22 PM EDT
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KS guy here. How do almost 200K Missourians vote to give up an individual right? I will never understand how retarded a portion of our populous really is?
If they would turn on the F#*@ing TV and watch what is happening in Israel, Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Argentina, and Mexico and then go vote that the state shouldn't add a clear right to firearms ownership in the State Constitution then these people are IGNORANT! How many nights does KC or STL report a shooting? Almost every night, yet 200K of my neighbors to the east say no to protecting their ability to defend themselves today! I am sorry to be preaching to the choir and common sense will prevail tonight but these are your neighbors, classmates, parishioners, and co workers voting like this? What are they thinking? |
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KS guy here. How do almost 200K Missourians vote to give up an individual right? I will never understand how retarded a portion of our populous really is? If they would turn on the F#*@ing TV and watch what is happening in Israel, Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Argentina, and Mexico and then go vote that the state shouldn't add a clear right to firearms ownership in the State Constitution then these people are IGNORANT! How many nights does KC or STL report a shooting? Almost every night, yet 200K of my neighbors to the east say no to protecting their ability to defend themselves today! I am sorry to be preaching to the choir and common sense will prevail tonight but these are your neighbors, classmates, parishioners, and co workers voting like this? What are they thinking? They are thinking that guns are bad, m'kay? And others think stuff doesn't need to be written into the state constitution. Any number of things. 
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KS guy here. How do almost 200K Missourians vote to give up an individual right? I will never understand how retarded a portion of our populous really is? If they would turn on the F#*@ing TV and watch what is happening in Israel, Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Argentina, and Mexico and then go vote that the state shouldn't add a clear right to firearms ownership in the State Constitution then these people are IGNORANT! How many nights does KC or STL report a shooting? Almost every night, yet 200K of my neighbors to the east say no to protecting their ability to defend themselves today! I am sorry to be preaching to the choir and common sense will prevail tonight but these are your neighbors, classmates, parishioners, and co workers voting like this? What are they thinking? They're not thinking; they're feeling. |
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With that many voters in those areas, it takes time to rig the results 
St. Louis is in...St. Louis Yes - 36,604. No - 51,178 Quoted:
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No results yet from Jackson, KC, or STL City. That's concerning... With that many voters in those areas, it takes time to rig the results
St. Louis is in...St. Louis Yes - 36,604. No - 51,178 Is it all or nothing for entire counties, or are they reporting bits at a time? |
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Way to go Jackson County! Screw you Kansas City! Didn't completely offset it, but sure made a difference. Jackson Co and KC combined are showing about 44k NO and 42k YES. ETA: initial results from STL City and County are in, pretty hard beatdown... BUT... with 80% of precincts reporting, it's 63:37 AYE. 
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Ballotpedia is also: http://ballotpedia.org/Missouri_Right_to_Bear_Arms,_Amendment_5_(August_2014) The Missouri Right to Bear Arms, Amendment 5 was on the August 5, 2014 primary election ballot in Missouri as a legislatively-referred constitutional amendment, where it was approved. |
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Wat? Everything NFA is already legal. Quoted:
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Constitutional Amendment 5 3898 of 3898 Precincts Reported YES602,07660.970% NO385,42239.030% Total Votes:987,498 Ok, can we get any NFA goodies out of this deal? Wat? Everything NFA is already legal. Concealed carry is also legal but I read on another thread where after Arizona passed a similar amendment you no longer needed a license to CCW because you do not have to PAY for a right. Not to mention post 86 MG's. |
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Concealed carry is also legal but I read on another thread where after Arizona passed a similar amendment you no longer needed a license to CCW because you do not have to PAY for a right. Not to mention post 86 MG's. Quoted:
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Constitutional Amendment 5 3898 of 3898 Precincts Reported YES602,07660.970% NO385,42239.030% Total Votes:987,498 Ok, can we get any NFA goodies out of this deal? Wat? Everything NFA is already legal. Concealed carry is also legal but I read on another thread where after Arizona passed a similar amendment you no longer needed a license to CCW because you do not have to PAY for a right. Not to mention post 86 MG's. As mentioned in other threads, it's going to take either a test case going through the courts, OR a strong opinion from the state AG to get us to Constitutional Carry. Post 86 MGs? Sure, sounds great... but I'm REALLY not interested in being the test case for that. CCW has been left to the states by the feds. NFA has not, and hasn't been for eighty years. 10-20 in Club Fed doesn't appeal. |
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Constitutional Amendment 5 3898 of 3898 Precincts Reported YES602,07660.970% NO385,42239.030% Total Votes:987,498 Ok, can we get any NFA goodies out of this deal? Wat? Everything NFA is already legal. Destructive devices? |
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Quoted: Smart man... Quoted: Quoted: I am due to renew my CCW this week, I would love to save the $40 but I personally do not want to be the test case. So I will go and sit in the waiting room in Clayton and fork over the cash. Maybe next time it will not be needed.... Phil |
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You will still need a CCW permit from the state you reside in to be exempt from the federal gun free school zone act. You will also need a permit to travel into states that require a permit. Actually, you need a ccw permit from the state that the school is located in. 
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Constitutional Amendment 5 3898 of 3898 Precincts Reported YES602,07660.970% NO385,42239.030% Total Votes:987,498 Ok, can we get any NFA goodies out of this deal? Wat? Everything NFA is already legal. Destructive devices? Good question, and I hadn't even thought of those. Very rarely on my radar. A quick google says... "maybe". |
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Quoted: Wat? Everything NFA is already legal. Quoted: Quoted: Constitutional Amendment 5 3898 of 3898 Precincts Reported YES602,07660.970% NO385,42239.030% Total Votes:987,498 Ok, can we get any NFA goodies out of this deal? Wat? Everything NFA is already legal. I think what he ment was can we get rid of the NFA purview on SBRs, Cans and such... I think... |
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Actually, you need a ccw permit from the state that the school is located in. Quoted:
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You will still need a CCW permit from the state you reside in to be exempt from the federal gun free school zone act. You will also need a permit to travel into states that require a permit. Actually, you need a ccw permit from the state that the school is located in. I'm pretty sure you need to be a resident of the state and have a CCW permit from the state. Basically you are only ever gtg in the state you reside in  . I have an Arizona permit and I would not be exempt of the FGFSZA in Arizona because I am not a resident. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Quoted: I'm pretty sure you need to be a resident of the state and have a CCW permit from the state. Basically you are only ever gtg in the state you reside in . I have an Arizona permit and I would not be exempt of the FGFSZA in Arizona because I am not a resident. Correct me if I am wrong.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You will still need a CCW permit from the state you reside in to be exempt from the federal gun free school zone act. You will also need a permit to travel into states that require a permit. Actually, you need a ccw permit from the state that the school is located in. I'm pretty sure you need to be a resident of the state and have a CCW permit from the state. Basically you are only ever gtg in the state you reside in . I have an Arizona permit and I would not be exempt of the FGFSZA in Arizona because I am not a resident. Correct me if I am wrong.You should be able to get a Florida permit, living in Mo, that will be honored in most states... My old boss just got a Florida permit, because of some legal issues he got into when he was young, that will not let him get a MO CCW... I've heard of several other folks doing this too... I think Utah was another one, everyone was getting, because of how many states it was reciprocated with, but that could have changed... |
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You should be able to get a Florida permit, living in Mo, that will be honored in most states... My old boss just got a Florida permit, because of some legal issues he got into when he was young, that will not let him get a MO CCW... I've heard of several other folks doing this too... I think Utah was another one, everyone was getting, because of how many states it was reciprocated with, but that could have changed... Quoted:
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You will still need a CCW permit from the state you reside in to be exempt from the federal gun free school zone act. You will also need a permit to travel into states that require a permit. Actually, you need a ccw permit from the state that the school is located in. I'm pretty sure you need to be a resident of the state and have a CCW permit from the state. Basically you are only ever gtg in the state you reside in . I have an Arizona permit and I would not be exempt of the FGFSZA in Arizona because I am not a resident. Correct me if I am wrong.
You should be able to get a Florida permit, living in Mo, that will be honored in most states... My old boss just got a Florida permit, because of some legal issues he got into when he was young, that will not let him get a MO CCW... I've heard of several other folks doing this too... I think Utah was another one, everyone was getting, because of how many states it was reciprocated with, but that could have changed... Utah did change it's laws. You now have to have the permit from your state (if it issues permits) before you can apply for a Utah permit. |
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Quoted: Utah did change it's laws. You now have to have the permit from your state (if it issues permits) before you can apply for a Utah permit. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You will still need a CCW permit from the state you reside in to be exempt from the federal gun free school zone act. You will also need a permit to travel into states that require a permit. Actually, you need a ccw permit from the state that the school is located in. I'm pretty sure you need to be a resident of the state and have a CCW permit from the state. Basically you are only ever gtg in the state you reside in . I have an Arizona permit and I would not be exempt of the FGFSZA in Arizona because I am not a resident. Correct me if I am wrong.You should be able to get a Florida permit, living in Mo, that will be honored in most states... My old boss just got a Florida permit, because of some legal issues he got into when he was young, that will not let him get a MO CCW... I've heard of several other folks doing this too... I think Utah was another one, everyone was getting, because of how many states it was reciprocated with, but that could have changed... Utah did change it's laws. You now have to have the permit from your state (if it issues permits) before you can apply for a Utah permit. What do you know about the Florida route??? Also, can you do the Florida CCW classes??? |
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I'm pretty sure you need to be a resident of the state and have a CCW permit from the state. Basically you are only ever gtg in the state you reside in . I have an Arizona permit and I would not be exempt of the FGFSZA in Arizona because I am not a resident. Correct me if I am wrong.
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You will still need a CCW permit from the state you reside in to be exempt from the federal gun free school zone act. You will also need a permit to travel into states that require a permit. Actually, you need a ccw permit from the state that the school is located in. I'm pretty sure you need to be a resident of the state and have a CCW permit from the state. Basically you are only ever gtg in the state you reside in . I have an Arizona permit and I would not be exempt of the FGFSZA in Arizona because I am not a resident. Correct me if I am wrong.
There is no residency requirement. So you are covered for school zones in Arizona. `(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone. `(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to the possession of a firearm-- `(i) on private property not part of school grounds; `(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c104:S.890: |
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I was hoping you or one of the others would Chime in for Clarity... What do you know about the Florida route??? Also, can you do the Florida CCW classes??? If you have attended a MDC Hunter Ed course you can use your Heritage Card to apply for a Florida Permit. Any basic handgun course would also cover Florida or Arizona. I would recommend Arizona over Florida. $60 for 5 years verse $117 for 7 years. |
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I've been checking out a Florida permit,from what I understand an honorable discharge from the military will do in lieu of course and shooting requirement.
http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divisions-Offices/Licensing/Concealed-Weapon-License/Acceptable-Training-Documentation Florida Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services Adam H. Putnam Commissioner Concealed Weapon License Fast Track Processing Related Information States Recognizing Florida License Statistical Reports Return to Concealed Weapon License Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Home Pay Online About Divisions & Offices Forms & Publications News & Events Contact You are here: Home> Divisions & Offices> Licensing> Concealed Weapon License> Acceptable Training Documentation Acceptable Training Documentation Florida law requires you to submit proof of competency with a firearm in order to qualify for a concealed weapon license. A copy of a CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION or similar document from any of the following courses or classes is acceptable: any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency in another state; any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course; any firearm safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, the Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services; any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement; any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified instructor or by an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association. The copy of the training certificate/document must be clear and legible. The certificate/document must include your name, your instructor's name, your instructor's qualifications/credentials (National Rifle Association instructor, law enforcement firearms instructor, Class "K" Firearm Instructor licensed by the State of Florida, etc.), and your instructor's license/certification number. Other acceptable forms of training documentation include the following: documentary evidence of experience with a firearm obtained through participation in organized shooting competition; active-duty military personnel may submit copies of any of the following documents that confirm your experience with a firearm gained during your service: military orders including call to active-duty letter; a statement of military service signed by, or at the direction of, the adjutant, personnel officer, or commander of your unit or higher headquarters which identifies you and provides your date of entry on your current active-duty period; former military personnel can submit a DD Form 214 reflecting honorable discharge from military service. DO NOT SEND ORIGINAL TRAINING DOCUMENTS OR OTHER RELATED MATERIALS TO THE DIVISION. |
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If you have attended a MDC Hunter Ed course you can use your Heritage Card to apply for a Florida Permit. Any basic handgun course would also cover Florida or Arizona. I would recommend Arizona over Florida. $60 for 5 years verse $117 for 7 years. Quoted:
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I was hoping you or one of the others would Chime in for Clarity... What do you know about the Florida route??? Also, can you do the Florida CCW classes??? If you have attended a MDC Hunter Ed course you can use your Heritage Card to apply for a Florida Permit. Any basic handgun course would also cover Florida or Arizona. I would recommend Arizona over Florida. $60 for 5 years verse $117 for 7 years. Huh, thats pretty interesting. Ive put off taking a ccw class for years but Ive got a heritage card. Figure I might as well take advantage of that and have the forms on the way. Thanks to you and the poster below you for the links. 
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Quoted: Just remember that an out-of-state permit will not give you the knowledge necessary to know Missouri's Weapons and Self-Defense laws. Study chapters 563 and 571 to be in the know. |