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2/19/2011 7:22:59 PM EDT
Ok before you post, "just get rid of the window tints" "why do you have them?" I actually have a valid prescription from an optometrist for UV sensitivity. However, I did not know the DMV needs to be informed and stickers need to be issued. With that being said.

I was pulled over today for my tints. I was not speeding, I was specifically pulled over for window tints. The officer pulled the tint meter out. It read 19%. He did not wipe any dirt and salt off my windows. I explained to him I do have a prescription from an eye doctor and he said I was wasting his time that I needed the stickers (I did not know that). Anyway the ticket reads 15% for the tint meter reading, it also has my home address completely incorrect, and the arrest type was radar.

A question for the LEOs, with the number of inconsistencies on the ticket is there anyway I can have the ticket thrown out? It is a correctable ticket. He told me I have 24 hours to have the tint removed and the place can fill out a form that I can bring to the court. I read over that form and it said I have 24 business hours from the time of the ticket to have it corrected. Monday being a federal holiday I would assume it doesn't count. I really like my tint. It legitimately helps when I drive at night preventing a lot of glare. I would rather not have them removed but now I am going to consider getting the stickers from the state. Anyone have any experience with the stickers?

Thanks
2/19/2011 9:08:51 PM EDT
[#1]
Am I reading that correctly, you have an 85% tint ie. 15% transmittance?
2/19/2011 9:16:02 PM EDT
[#2]
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Am I reading that correctly, you have an 85% tint ie. 15% transmittance?


they are 20% transmittance
2/19/2011 9:33:32 PM EDT
[#3]
What year vehicle? If it was manufactured prior to Jan 1st, 1992 you can have down to 35% tint as opposed to 70% tint as per VTL Title 3, Article 9, section 12-a, Subsection 4e
2/19/2011 10:22:55 PM EDT
[#4]
its an '05. I can get the DMV exemption with my prescription. I just have to do more research. I don't want it to be like telling the DMV you wear glasses. It is nothing serious. I am going to call some places to have the tint removed. I am debating getting the DMV exemption. My other questions were in regards to inaccuracies on the ticket.
2/20/2011 1:34:25 AM EDT
[#5]
It is sunset of the next business day. I've found that most courts in my area will accept the form even past that timeframe..can't speak for your courts.

If you need the tint then you need the tint. Do what you need to be able to use it as far as talking to DMV.

There is always the spirit of the law that I consider, and if you'd have been able to show the doctors note, even without the DMV OK I'd have let you go with a verbal warning to get your stuff squared away.......
2/20/2011 5:21:56 AM EDT
[#6]
eh, I had the windows of my truck tinted a few months ago...if i get a ticket...ill collect more pop cans and pay the fine. thats a bullshit law anyway. once again, like every other state can have it..but us.
also, i live out in the sticks and hardly come across a cop, so the chances of me getting tagged are alot less then you guys livin in the city
2/20/2011 7:34:25 AM EDT
[#7]
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It is sunset of the next business day. I've found that most courts in my area will accept the form even past that timeframe..can't speak for your courts.

If you need the tint then you need the tint. Do what you need to be able to use it as far as talking to DMV.

There is always the spirit of the law that I consider, and if you'd have been able to show the doctors note, even without the DMV OK I'd have let you go with a verbal warning to get your stuff squared away.......


I had the doctors note in my car which has worked for me before. He said I was wasting his time and that there is nothing I can put on my windows that I can't put on my eyes. Apparently he is an amateur optometrist.
2/20/2011 7:44:59 AM EDT
[#8]
As to your specific questions about the ticket itself, unfortunately the defects in the ticket are correctable in court by the officer.  A traffic ticket is different in this respect than a parking ticket, which can be automatically dismissed based on mistakes.
2/20/2011 8:46:27 AM EDT
[#9]
Just pay the fine and continue on with life. Thats what I do. I refuse to remove my tint.
2/20/2011 8:52:14 AM EDT
[#10]
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Just pay the fine and continue on with life. Thats what I do. I refuse to remove my tint.


I think that is what I am going to do. Fine should be between $60 and $85. I have had my tint for 4 years this March, and I only paid $80 for the tint job. Well worth it IMHO
2/20/2011 8:58:47 AM EDT
[#11]
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Just pay the fine and continue on with life. Thats what I do. I refuse to remove my tint.


I think that is what I am going to do. Fine should be between $60 and $85. I have had my tint for 4 years this March, and I only paid $80 for the tint job. Well worth it IMHO

Thats the way I look at it too. My truck is a 2003 and only got a ticket once. The $75 fine is well worth the ability to keep prying eyes from seeing in my truck.

2/20/2011 10:30:07 AM EDT
[#12]
I've had the darkest tint available at zeibarts put on every vehicle I've owned since I was 16.  I don't mess with that purple crap at wal-mart.  I don't drive like a moron or look like a thug (not saying OP does either).  I've never gotten pulled over for tint.

I pass through MP checkpoints at Fort Drum every once in a while (guess they're not MPs anymore) Border Patrol checkpoints in Ogdensburg, travel at around 75-80 mph on 81 and the thruway to and from work in Seneca county, and respond to fire calls in my truck, parking all around troopers and deputies.  I even had a trooper compliment me once on the tint job lol.  Granted I've known that trooper for a while.

It wouldn't hurt to get your exemption on file just to be legal.  Maybe instead of having the tint torn off, go to court, plead ignorance and show that you're actively pursuing the exemption.  It wouldn't be like you're some punk kid pleading ignorance of the tint law just so he doesn't have to rip it off of his beat up honda with the giant aluminum wing and fart can muffler.  You have a legitimate medical reason to have it, its like building a shed in your backyard and forgetting the building permit, theres no reason to tear down the shed, get permit and build it all over.  Maybe take a couple pictures of your vehicle to show its not one of those racer wanna be POS's.  If that doesn't work, pay your fine then finish the paperwork for the stickers.  Maybe take a different vehicle to court if possible so the cop doesn't try to ticket you again in the parking lot lol.
2/20/2011 10:44:19 AM EDT
[#13]
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eh, I had the windows of my truck tinted a few months ago...if i get a ticket...ill collect more pop cans and pay the fine. thats a bullshit law anyway. once again, like every other state can have it..but us.
also, i live out in the sticks and hardly come across a cop, so the chances of me getting tagged are alot less then you guys livin in the city


I have dark tints on my truck as well, so I'm not going to throw stones, but it really isn't a bullshit law. It's a public safety law. First and foremost, during the night it is down right dangerous to drive with ultra dark tints. You simply cant see shit other then whats in front of you. And second off, from a law enforcement perspective, its very dangerous for them to approach your vehicle during a traffic stop because they cant see you or your movements. Every tinted vehicle traffic stop is to be approached with even more caution then normal simply due to the fact that you often cant tell what the occupants are doing or even how many occupants there are.
Whenever I get stopped by police, Out of courtesy for them and there piece of mind/safety, I roll down all my windows so that they know I don't pose a threat to them.

You have to look at it from the other side of the spectrum. And for reference, almost all states have window tint laws, some just allow you to go a bit darker then 70%...
2/20/2011 10:50:19 AM EDT
[#14]
I don't want to take this off topic too much, but I too lower all my windows when stopped and turn on the dome light.  Maybe that should be a law?  lol  I think that would improve officer safety more than writing fund raising tickets for tint or blinding me with that god damned spotlight.
2/20/2011 11:41:30 AM EDT
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I don't want to take this off topic too much, but I too lower all my windows when stopped and turn on the dome light.  Maybe that should be a law?  lol  I think that would improve officer safety more than writing fund raising tickets for tint or blinding me with that god damned spotlight.


For that sole reason alone, most officers I encounter are very respectful and appreciate it, as its a show of good sport.
2/20/2011 12:20:51 PM EDT
[#16]
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I don't want to take this off topic too much, but I too lower all my windows when stopped and turn on the dome light.  Maybe that should be a law?  lol  I think that would improve officer safety more than writing fund raising tickets for tint or blinding me with that god damned spotlight.


Actually, the light in your eyes is done for a reason. It lets them see the reaction of your eyes. Call it a cheap, introductory sobriety test. If the eyes react wrong, they take it up a level.
2/20/2011 12:28:36 PM EDT
[#17]
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I don't want to take this off topic too much, but I too lower all my windows when stopped and turn on the dome light.  Maybe that should be a law?  lol  I think that would improve officer safety more than writing fund raising tickets for tint or blinding me with that god damned spotlight.


Actually, the light in your eyes is done for a reason. It lets them see the reaction of your eyes. Call it a cheap, introductory sobriety test. If the eyes react wrong, they take it up a level.


Uh, sorry but I have to call BS on that.  I believe its more to blind you so you can't watch them approach from your mirror and possibly ambush them.  

I just got my eyes lasered in May, and have excellent vision but theres no way a cop would be able to see someones pupils react to light, at night with each person sitting in their respective car.

Maybe you thought I meant shining a flashlight in someones face during the confrontation phase of the stop.  I'm talking about them turning on their spotlight and aiming it into your side view mirror.  Every time I've been stopped at night, thats usually the first thing done once both vehicles are stopped.  You either have to look away from the mirror or move it.
2/20/2011 12:34:20 PM EDT
[#18]
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I don't want to take this off topic too much, but I too lower all my windows when stopped and turn on the dome light.  Maybe that should be a law?  lol  I think that would improve officer safety more than writing fund raising tickets for tint or blinding me with that god damned spotlight.


For that sole reason alone, most officers I encounter are very respectful and appreciate it, as its a show of good sport.


I agree. Like a bunch of nonsense laws we have around here, some make sense on paper but are useless in the real world, or can be written in a way that is more more productive towards officer safety if that is the ultimate goal.

I got pulled over night before last for I guess you would call it suspicion of drunk driving, it was 330 am I was just getting off work I was not drinking and had not been drinking... A couple observations about what happened. First this is nothing new for me as someone who often drives at late night hours, as a younger driver in a sports car. It happened a ton more often in Atlanta where I was in a college town but still it occurs.

1. I don't take it personally and I don't get mad or impolite or any of that nonsense. I don't know what exactly an LEO would need to articulate in order to begin a traffic stop be it a reasonable suspicion, a violation in driving or an equipment violation, but the fact is I saw the officer for a distance away, was not speeding or swerving and do not have any faulty equipment.
But imo big deal, so he profiled... the amount of drunk assholes on the road these days is insane, as long as its not a road block I don't care if he just flat out said I pulled you over to see if you were drunk. I don't bother asking anymore because the reason I am given is imo always completely fabricated and no one ever wins an argument on the side of the road so I just let it go.

2. Even though there was a decent shoulder the LEO followed me until the next exit at which point I decided to take the exit and then pull over on the left side of the shoulder off the off-ramp way off the road itself. This is the first step I always take to try to make his life easier and hence my life easier and again in light of recent circumstances even if he did light me up right away I probably would of travelled a little bit farther than he would of like looking for a really really open area to get off the road at and then explained why I did so once he approached.


3. I think its insane that the one law that we really really have needed in NY for at least as long as I have been a first responder (ten years this sept.) has been a change lanes or slow down to  below 40 mph when approaching an emergency vehicle on the shoulder. Every other state I've traveled through has this law and enforces it as they should, what were we waiting for?
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I don't want to take this off topic too much, but I too lower all my windows when stopped and turn on the dome light.  Maybe that should be a law?  lol  I think that would improve officer safety more than writing fund raising tickets for tint or blinding me with that god damned spotlight.



Uh, sorry but I have to call BS on that.  I believe its more to blind you so you can't watch them approach from your mirror and possibly ambush them.  

I just got my eyes lasered in May, and have excellent vision but theres no way a cop would be able to see someones pupils react to light, at night with each person sitting in their respective car.

Maybe you thought I meant shining a flashlight in someones face during the confrontation phase of the stop.  I'm talking about them turning on their spotlight and aiming it into your side view mirror.  Every time I've been stopped at night, thats usually the first thing done once both vehicles are stopped.  You either have to look away from the mirror or move it.

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ETA: This. It definitely appears to be a dept wide policy if it hasn't already been one, and its also a very good idea for officer safety even if it is a pain in the ass. I think it certainly exists simply to blind you enough to not be able to see or possibly ambush the approaching officer, and you know what. It works.

I also notice now that it appears to be policy now that they will drop the strobe on you as well before approaching the car which is fine, but I'm sure the officer also always sees me flip up my rearview when he turns it on othersise I would be completely blinded for the next 10 minutes and probably fail and field sobriety tests anyway as a result.


I have the legal limit on my car, and frankly they are not dark enough to work and could easily be much darker and still allow someone to look inside when approaching. a law or an order from an leo to roll down you window at the beginning of the traffic stop makes even more sense and is somehting I do immediately as well as turning on the dome lights and killing the motor and putting the keys up on the dash and then sitting still until approached anyway. If this is how we taught new drivers to deal  with a traffic stop life would be better for everyone.
2/20/2011 12:42:24 PM EDT
[#19]
What do you mean by dropping the strobe?
2/20/2011 2:46:27 PM EDT
[#20]
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I don't want to take this off topic too much, but I too lower all my windows when stopped and turn on the dome light.  Maybe that should be a law?  lol  I think that would improve officer safety more than writing fund raising tickets for tint or blinding me with that god damned spotlight.


Actually, the light in your eyes is done for a reason. It lets them see the reaction of your eyes. Call it a cheap, introductory sobriety test. If the eyes react wrong, they take it up a level.


Uh, sorry but I have to call BS on that.  I believe its more to blind you so you can't watch them approach from your mirror and possibly ambush them.  

I just got my eyes lasered in May, and have excellent vision but theres no way a cop would be able to see someones pupils react to light, at night with each person sitting in their respective car.

Maybe you thought I meant shining a flashlight in someones face during the confrontation phase of the stop.  I'm talking about them turning on their spotlight and aiming it into your side view mirror.  Every time I've been stopped at night, thats usually the first thing done once both vehicles are stopped.  You either have to look away from the mirror or move it.


Ah, I misunderstood you. I thought you referring to the flashlight the cops pull out and shine in your face.

The flood light is just to illuminate the scene.
2/20/2011 3:19:15 PM EDT
[#21]
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eh, I had the windows of my truck tinted a few months ago...if i get a ticket...ill collect more pop cans and pay the fine. thats a bullshit law anyway. once again, like every other state can have it..but us.
also, i live out in the sticks and hardly come across a cop, so the chances of me getting tagged are alot less then you guys livin in the city



Whenever I get stopped by police, Out of courtesy for them and there piece of mind/safety, I roll down all my windows so that they know I don't pose a threat to them.

You have to look at it from the other side of the spectrum. And for reference, almost all states have window tint laws, some just allow you to go a bit darker then 70%...


oh no i understand, and i do the same thing. as soon as i see the lights go on, im pulled right over, the windows are down and the car gets SHUT OFF. I dont even get my papers or anything out untill the officers asks me for them..then HE can watch me rustle around for them..instead of wondering what im shuffling around for while hes walking up to the car.

heres another question..you guys have said that the tint ticket is $85 bucks. its been a LONG time sense ive gotten a tint ticket, is that $85 total...or $85+the $85 court service charge?
2/20/2011 5:22:06 PM EDT
[#22]
According to NYS DMV form MV-80W (window tint exemption form) there are only a few reasons that will allow you to get the tint.

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms/mv80w.pdf
2/20/2011 7:10:50 PM EDT
[#23]
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Just pay the fine and continue on with life. Thats what I do. I refuse to remove my tint.


+1, that about sums it up for me.
2/20/2011 7:13:42 PM EDT
[#24]
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According to NYS DMV form MV-80W (window tint exemption form) there are only a few reasons that will allow you to get the tint.

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms/mv80w.pdf


Correct. UV sensitivity is one of the reasons. As for my tint, if you are familiar with the city of buffalo, I got tagged on Route 5 by the steel plant. I have an '05 Toyota Matrix. No other mods on the car. It is a blue car with black window tint. I was not speeding or driving ridiculously. I was on my way to get my coffee and get into work. I think the law is BS, if they can show statistics on how many people attack officers with and without tint to justify having the law I would understand. If tint is so dangerous why do investigators and other officers have tint on their vehicles? I mean shit I can count at least 5 officers I have passed this month that were talking on cellphones while driving. I think my tint is a little innocuous. Also I was pulled over at 2PM EST, still light enough out for him to see into my car.

I will go to court with my prescription that I have had since 2008 and show the DA. See if they will let me off, if not I will pay the ticket and carry on.
2/21/2011 6:47:17 AM EDT
[#25]
Nobody sees the irony of pulling over someone only for having tinted windows, which is supposedly illegal because it makes pulling you over more dangerous??  
2/21/2011 7:07:23 AM EDT
[#26]
I call on the OP's claim that he needs the windows tinted due to sunlight sensitivity.



Everybody knows the sun never shines in Buffalo . . .
2/21/2011 7:20:31 AM EDT
[#27]
my rears are limo tints, front is 35% - I have yet to get pulled over for them and when I do I really dont care, its my privacy and when I go the range or am travelling or working (security) people do not need to look into my windows, when I get pulled over all windows go down, keys on the roof, hands on wheel, and noone has hassled me since.
2/21/2011 8:47:36 PM EDT
[#28]
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Nobody sees the irony of pulling over someone only for having tinted windows, which is supposedly illegal because it makes pulling you over more dangerous??  


Its generally not the policy of Law enforcement agencies to stop enforcing laws because doing so might lead to trouble.
2/22/2011 5:09:13 AM EDT
[#29]
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According to NYS DMV form MV-80W (window tint exemption form) there are only a few reasons that will allow you to get the tint.

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms/mv80w.pdf


Correct. UV sensitivity is one of the reasons. As for my tint, if you are familiar with the city of buffalo, I got tagged on Route 5 by the steel plant. I have an '05 Toyota Matrix. No other mods on the car. It is a blue car with black window tint. I was not speeding or driving ridiculously. I was on my way to get my coffee and get into work. I think the law is BS, if they can show statistics on how many people attack officers with and without tint to justify having the law I would understand. If tint is so dangerous why do investigators and other officers have tint on their vehicles? I mean shit I can count at least 5 officers I have passed this month that were talking on cellphones while driving. I think my tint is a little innocuous. Also I was pulled over at 2PM EST, still light enough out for him to see into my car.

I will go to court with my prescription that I have had since 2008 and show the DA. See if they will let me off, if not I will pay the ticket and carry on.


Patty's prescription reads: UV sensitivity due to excessive masturbation after traumatic experience in gun cleaning/boating accident....