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6/4/2015 6:27:20 PM EDT
2015 Missouri shoots

http://appleseedinfo.org/search-states-display.php?qstate=MO&statename=Missouri

ETA  The ammunition requirements have been reduced to 200 rounds due to .22 price and scarcity.
6/5/2015 12:07:05 AM EDT
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Awesome program. I've done three. Register early. They fill up fast.
6/5/2015 5:04:30 PM EDT
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At the events you've been to, how many shooters use AR's?
6/5/2015 5:32:24 PM EDT
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I made it to the April 19th event, there were two M&P 15-22's, two 5.56 AR's and a bunch of 10/22's.  There was a guy there with a WASR but he didn't come back the second day.

I'll have a .308 Zastava MPAP by the October shoot, should be a good time.
6/6/2015 7:05:04 PM EDT
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Done a couple of them. Well worth the time and money.
6/6/2015 11:09:17 PM EDT
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200 rounds? Yeesh, that's a drop. I presume there's a lot more dry-fire time now.

Enjoyed it when I was involved, glad I moved on when I did. Still recommend it to folks.
6/7/2015 8:31:34 PM EDT
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At the events you've been to, how many shooters use AR's?


At the most 1 or 2 out of 30. I love my AR's but I'd recommend a .22 LR. A 10/22 with 2-7 rim fire scope is perfect. Yes they allow scopes. I recommend using one.
6/7/2015 11:57:14 PM EDT
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What can be expected from this? I have never attended but have been considering it. Unfortunately it doesn't look like any of the dates are anywhere near KC.
6/8/2015 12:33:20 AM EDT
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I haven't done one in MO, but the curriculum is national with local flavor added by the instructors.

You're going to get solid instruction in the fundamentals of marksmanship, interspersed with a relatively accurate version of the events of April 19, 1775 (Lexington & Concord).

You will be guaranteed to come away sore, tired, quite probably sunburned, and smiling. Make time to do both days, it's worth it.
6/8/2015 12:25:38 PM EDT
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I haven't done one in MO, but the curriculum is national with local flavor added by the instructors.

You're going to get solid instruction in the fundamentals of marksmanship, interspersed with a relatively accurate version of the events of April 19, 1775 (Lexington & Concord).

You will be guaranteed to come away sore, tired, quite probably sunburned, and smiling. Make time to do both days, it's worth it.
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What can be expected from this? I have never attended but have been considering it. Unfortunately it doesn't look like any of the dates are anywhere near KC.


I haven't done one in MO, but the curriculum is national with local flavor added by the instructors.

You're going to get solid instruction in the fundamentals of marksmanship, interspersed with a relatively accurate version of the events of April 19, 1775 (Lexington & Concord).

You will be guaranteed to come away sore, tired, quite probably sunburned, and smiling. Make time to do both days, it's worth it.


I would second that.  bring sunscreen, you will need it.
6/8/2015 11:58:54 PM EDT
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What can be expected from this? I have never attended but have been considering it. Unfortunately it doesn't look like any of the dates are anywhere near KC.






I haven't done one in MO, but the curriculum is national with local flavor added by the instructors.





You're going to get solid instruction in the fundamentals of marksmanship, interspersed with a relatively accurate version of the events of April 19, 1775 (Lexington & Concord).





You will be guaranteed to come away sore, tired, quite probably sunburned, and smiling. Make time to do both days, it's worth it.






I would second that.  bring sunscreen, you will need it.
And a large piece of scrap carpet for a shooting mat as well as a tarp to put under the carpet so ground dampness doesn't soak it from the bottom up.



If you do go and want to borrow a VERY capable 10/22, give me a shout.  Basically, if you don't earn your patch with this rifle, well, it isn't the rifle's fault.  





 
6/10/2015 8:35:54 AM EDT
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I just signed up for the Oct meet in Wright City.

Fairly new at shooting and this looks like an excellent event.  

I'm looking forward to it.

6/10/2015 9:55:14 AM EDT
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And a large piece of scrap carpet for a shooting mat as well as a tarp to put under the carpet so ground dampness doesn't soak it from the bottom up.

If you do go and want to borrow a VERY capable 10/22, give me a shout.  Basically, if you don't earn your patch with this rifle, well, it isn't the rifle's fault.  
 
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What can be expected from this? I have never attended but have been considering it. Unfortunately it doesn't look like any of the dates are anywhere near KC.


I haven't done one in MO, but the curriculum is national with local flavor added by the instructors.

You're going to get solid instruction in the fundamentals of marksmanship, interspersed with a relatively accurate version of the events of April 19, 1775 (Lexington & Concord).

You will be guaranteed to come away sore, tired, quite probably sunburned, and smiling. Make time to do both days, it's worth it.


I would second that.  bring sunscreen, you will need it.
And a large piece of scrap carpet for a shooting mat as well as a tarp to put under the carpet so ground dampness doesn't soak it from the bottom up.

If you do go and want to borrow a VERY capable 10/22, give me a shout.  Basically, if you don't earn your patch with this rifle, well, it isn't the rifle's fault.  
 


Thanks for the offer!!! If I do indeed end up making it out I will probably take you up on that. Hopefully I can shoot it better than my G43
6/10/2015 9:58:07 AM EDT
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Also I still have my brothers yoga mat that I jacked a few years ago. It makes a nice pad to lay and shoot on
6/10/2015 9:32:12 PM EDT
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Im going to be sort of a Debbie Downer here. I've been to 2 and had different experiences. The first one about 5 years ago was down near the Lake of the Ozarks. I came away with a very positive view and couldn't wait to go back, missed rifleman by 2 points and overall was very happy with the professionalism and wisdom of the instructors. Very happy.

2 years ago I made it to the long drive to the Rosebud MO class. Right off it was very different. The professionalism wasn't there. At one point the main guy left and placed someone else in charge for a while, things got pretty screwed up until he got back. Also the tone had very militia type feel, one instructor went on a long rant that was very anti govt and literately said "if you haven't been arrested for standing up for your rights yours not doing enough" and one of the other tough guy instructors got so emotional about his rant he broke down and started crying.  OK yeah and to think I wanted to bring my kids to the class  

Also they had 2 teenage girls instructing, one about 12-13 the other 14-15ish. While they didn't wear a the highly prized "Red Hat" they were pretty disrespectful to some of the adults. OK I get it they could probably shoot their proprietary 4MOA standard really well but they are still kids, don't talk down to the adults, you've not earned that in my book and that should have been a foundation that was laid before they were allowed to help teach.
Of course it rained and rained the second day. Things were muddy and these kid instructors were walking with muddy feet across the shooters mats. I understand the guns had to be "cleared" but they didnt have to be rude by making everyones mats muddy where they were laying. Some people came dressed fairly well.  
I also felt as if they were coming across that this was a "fighting rifle" class, maybe that's me but the last thing this is is a fighting rifle class.

If you have good instructors, go in with an open mind, do your best and you'll learn a ton. Take what you want from it and apply that to your goals as a shooter but realize that this is a very basic (yet good) class with somewhat outdated techniques and not the be all end all marksmanship training. If I could find a location without the crazy and kid instructors Id probably go back.
6/10/2015 9:46:14 PM EDT
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Im going to be sort of a Debbie Downer here. I've been to 2 and had different experiences. The first one about 5 years ago was down near the Lake of the Ozarks. I came away with a very positive view and couldn't wait to go back, missed rifleman by 2 points and overall was very happy with the professionalism and wisdom of the instructors. Very happy.

2 years ago I made it to the long drive to the Rosebud MO class. Right off it was very different. The professionalism wasn't there. At one point the main guy left and placed someone else in charge for a while, things got pretty screwed up until he got back. Also the tone had very militia type feel, one instructor went on a long rant that was very anti govt and literately said "if you haven't been arrested for standing up for your rights yours not doing enough" and one of the other tough guy instructors got so emotional about his rant he broke down and started crying.  OK yeah and to think I wanted to bring my kids to the class  

Also they had 2 teenage girls instructing, one about 12-13 the other 14-15ish. While they didn't wear a the highly prized "Red Hat" they were pretty disrespectful to some of the adults. OK I get it they could probably shoot their proprietary 4MOA standard really well but they are still kids, don't talk down to the adults, you've not earned that in my book and that should have been a foundation that was laid before they were allowed to help teach.
Of course it rained and rained the second day. Things were muddy and these kid instructors were walking with muddy feet across the shooters mats. I understand the guns had to be "cleared" but they didnt have to be rude by making everyones mats muddy where they were laying. Some people came dressed fairly well.  
I also felt as if they were coming across that this was a "fighting rifle" class, maybe that's me but the last thing this is is a fighting rifle class.

If you have good instructors, go in with an open mind, do your best and you'll learn a ton. Take what you want from it and apply that to your goals as a shooter but realize that this is a very basic (yet good) class with somewhat outdated techniques and not the be all end all marksmanship training. If I could find a location without the crazy and kid instructors Id probably go back.
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Im going to be sort of a Debbie Downer here. I've been to 2 and had different experiences. The first one about 5 years ago was down near the Lake of the Ozarks. I came away with a very positive view and couldn't wait to go back, missed rifleman by 2 points and overall was very happy with the professionalism and wisdom of the instructors. Very happy.

2 years ago I made it to the long drive to the Rosebud MO class. Right off it was very different. The professionalism wasn't there. At one point the main guy left and placed someone else in charge for a while, things got pretty screwed up until he got back. Also the tone had very militia type feel, one instructor went on a long rant that was very anti govt and literately said "if you haven't been arrested for standing up for your rights yours not doing enough" and one of the other tough guy instructors got so emotional about his rant he broke down and started crying.  OK yeah and to think I wanted to bring my kids to the class  

Also they had 2 teenage girls instructing, one about 12-13 the other 14-15ish. While they didn't wear a the highly prized "Red Hat" they were pretty disrespectful to some of the adults. OK I get it they could probably shoot their proprietary 4MOA standard really well but they are still kids, don't talk down to the adults, you've not earned that in my book and that should have been a foundation that was laid before they were allowed to help teach.
Of course it rained and rained the second day. Things were muddy and these kid instructors were walking with muddy feet across the shooters mats. I understand the guns had to be "cleared" but they didnt have to be rude by making everyones mats muddy where they were laying. Some people came dressed fairly well.  
I also felt as if they were coming across that this was a "fighting rifle" class, maybe that's me but the last thing this is is a fighting rifle class.

If you have good instructors, go in with an open mind, do your best and you'll learn a ton. Take what you want from it and apply that to your goals as a shooter but realize that this is a very basic (yet good) class with somewhat outdated techniques and not the be all end all marksmanship training. If I could find a location without the crazy and kid instructors Id probably go back.


wow, the second one sounds like it sucked.  the one I went to was more like the first (it was around KC mo btw).  we had a 12ish old girl instructor too but she was more than respectful (one of the instructor's kids).  she also shot better than 90% of the ppl there too
6/10/2015 10:27:14 PM EDT
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Oh yeah I bet those girls could shoot but that's a perfect example of needing more than the ability to press a trigger to instruct.  
The class actually was stopped mid way through the second day due to the weather (lightning) truthfully I was pretty happy about that and ready to leave.
My shooting glasses were wet and fogging up, couldn't see the target due that, and the rifle wouldn't stay pocketed in the shoulder because the butt became so slick (factory 10/22 stock with the plastic end) after every shot or so it'd slip and need to be repositioned.
6/10/2015 11:28:09 PM EDT
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And a large piece of scrap carpet for a shooting mat as well as a tarp to put under the carpet so ground dampness doesn't soak it from the bottom up.

If you do go and want to borrow a VERY capable 10/22, give me a shout.  Basically, if you don't earn your patch with this rifle, well, it isn't the rifle's fault.  
 
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Very good idea, you can pick up a $1 shower curtain at wal-mart, probably the cheapest option.
6/24/2015 8:24:21 AM EDT
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I just signed up for the Oct meet in Wright City.

Fairly new at shooting and this looks like an excellent event.  

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I plan on being at that one as well.
6/24/2015 7:36:33 PM EDT
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Im going to be sort of a Debbie Downer here. I've been to 2 and had different experiences. The first one about 5 years ago was down near the Lake of the Ozarks. I came away with a very positive view and couldn't wait to go back, missed rifleman by 2 points and overall was very happy with the professionalism and wisdom of the instructors. Very happy.

2 years ago I made it to the long drive to the Rosebud MO class. Right off it was very different. The professionalism wasn't there. At one point the main guy left and placed someone else in charge for a while, things got pretty screwed up until he got back. Also the tone had very militia type feel, one instructor went on a long rant that was very anti govt and literately said "if you haven't been arrested for standing up for your rights yours not doing enough" and one of the other tough guy instructors got so emotional about his rant he broke down and started crying.  OK yeah and to think I wanted to bring my kids to the class  

Also they had 2 teenage girls instructing, one about 12-13 the other 14-15ish. While they didn't wear a the highly prized "Red Hat" they were pretty disrespectful to some of the adults. OK I get it they could probably shoot their proprietary 4MOA standard really well but they are still kids, don't talk down to the adults, you've not earned that in my book and that should have been a foundation that was laid before they were allowed to help teach.
Of course it rained and rained the second day. Things were muddy and these kid instructors were walking with muddy feet across the shooters mats. I understand the guns had to be "cleared" but they didnt have to be rude by making everyones mats muddy where they were laying. Some people came dressed fairly well.  
I also felt as if they were coming across that this was a "fighting rifle" class, maybe that's me but the last thing this is is a fighting rifle class.

If you have good instructors, go in with an open mind, do your best and you'll learn a ton. Take what you want from it and apply that to your goals as a shooter but realize that this is a very basic (yet good) class with somewhat outdated techniques and not the be all end all marksmanship training. If I could find a location without the crazy and kid instructors Id probably go back.
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Im going to be sort of a Debbie Downer here. I've been to 2 and had different experiences. The first one about 5 years ago was down near the Lake of the Ozarks. I came away with a very positive view and couldn't wait to go back, missed rifleman by 2 points and overall was very happy with the professionalism and wisdom of the instructors. Very happy.

2 years ago I made it to the long drive to the Rosebud MO class. Right off it was very different. The professionalism wasn't there. At one point the main guy left and placed someone else in charge for a while, things got pretty screwed up until he got back. Also the tone had very militia type feel, one instructor went on a long rant that was very anti govt and literately said "if you haven't been arrested for standing up for your rights yours not doing enough" and one of the other tough guy instructors got so emotional about his rant he broke down and started crying.  OK yeah and to think I wanted to bring my kids to the class  

Also they had 2 teenage girls instructing, one about 12-13 the other 14-15ish. While they didn't wear a the highly prized "Red Hat" they were pretty disrespectful to some of the adults. OK I get it they could probably shoot their proprietary 4MOA standard really well but they are still kids, don't talk down to the adults, you've not earned that in my book and that should have been a foundation that was laid before they were allowed to help teach.
Of course it rained and rained the second day. Things were muddy and these kid instructors were walking with muddy feet across the shooters mats. I understand the guns had to be "cleared" but they didnt have to be rude by making everyones mats muddy where they were laying. Some people came dressed fairly well.  
I also felt as if they were coming across that this was a "fighting rifle" class, maybe that's me but the last thing this is is a fighting rifle class.

If you have good instructors, go in with an open mind, do your best and you'll learn a ton. Take what you want from it and apply that to your goals as a shooter but realize that this is a very basic (yet good) class with somewhat outdated techniques and not the be all end all marksmanship training. If I could find a location without the crazy and kid instructors Id probably go back.


We may have been at the same events.  I was only there 1 day each time.  Was the second one being run by "nemohunter?"  That guy was a real piece of work.  Big surprise when he turnrd out to havr EE problems here.
6/24/2015 11:10:05 PM EDT
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Appleseed two hours south of KC MO

No crazy ranting instructors, no 13 year old instructors who will lecture you about a "fighting rifle" just good old fashioned marksmanship training on a covered, concrete firing line and a gravel range.  No rain, shooters are in the shade and no lunatics ranting.

6/25/2015 11:33:41 PM EDT
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We may have been at the same events.  I was only there 1 day each time.  Was the second one being run by "nemohunter?"  That guy was a real piece of work.  Big surprise when he turnrd out to havr EE problems here.
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What can be expected from this? I have never attended but have been considering it. Unfortunately it doesn't look like any of the dates are anywhere near KC.



Im going to be sort of a Debbie Downer here. I've been to 2 and had different experiences. The first one about 5 years ago was down near the Lake of the Ozarks. I came away with a very positive view and couldn't wait to go back, missed rifleman by 2 points and overall was very happy with the professionalism and wisdom of the instructors. Very happy.

2 years ago I made it to the long drive to the Rosebud MO class. Right off it was very different. The professionalism wasn't there. At one point the main guy left and placed someone else in charge for a while, things got pretty screwed up until he got back. Also the tone had very militia type feel, one instructor went on a long rant that was very anti govt and literately said "if you haven't been arrested for standing up for your rights yours not doing enough" and one of the other tough guy instructors got so emotional about his rant he broke down and started crying.  OK yeah and to think I wanted to bring my kids to the class  

Also they had 2 teenage girls instructing, one about 12-13 the other 14-15ish. While they didn't wear a the highly prized "Red Hat" they were pretty disrespectful to some of the adults. OK I get it they could probably shoot their proprietary 4MOA standard really well but they are still kids, don't talk down to the adults, you've not earned that in my book and that should have been a foundation that was laid before they were allowed to help teach.
Of course it rained and rained the second day. Things were muddy and these kid instructors were walking with muddy feet across the shooters mats. I understand the guns had to be "cleared" but they didnt have to be rude by making everyones mats muddy where they were laying. Some people came dressed fairly well.  
I also felt as if they were coming across that this was a "fighting rifle" class, maybe that's me but the last thing this is is a fighting rifle class.

If you have good instructors, go in with an open mind, do your best and you'll learn a ton. Take what you want from it and apply that to your goals as a shooter but realize that this is a very basic (yet good) class with somewhat outdated techniques and not the be all end all marksmanship training. If I could find a location without the crazy and kid instructors Id probably go back.


We may have been at the same events.  I was only there 1 day each time.  Was the second one being run by "nemohunter?"  That guy was a real piece of work.  Big surprise when he turnrd out to havr EE problems here.


Can't say that name sounds familiar.