Posted: 2/10/2011 9:36:07 PM EDT
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Can one bring a pistol out in the woods for protection? I have a permit in Nassau, would I need to take a class in a different county? Can't seem to find a place that says NO.
Thanks in advance, Murph |
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Quoted: if you have a "target and hunting" permit (which I assume you do) then you are carrying the gun to "target shoot" out in the woods. I seriously doubt the NCPD Police Commissioner considers "target shooting" in the woods a "range". http://www.police.nassaucountyny.gov/pdf/InformationHandbookWebPage%20_2_.pdf 1. Target/Hunting License A Carry License, which is stamped "Target,” restricts the licensee to carrying a loaded firearm to and from a range for recreational or competitive shooting, or for hunting, where legal in New York State, except when traveling through New York City, (the firearm must be unloaded and transported in a secure metal box, with no stops within the confines of New York City.) ............ Grounds for Suspension or Revocation The policy of the Nassau County Police Department is to immediately suspend the Pistol License of any licensee who violates any of the terms and conditions of the license including, but not limited to the following incidents: ............... 10.Violation of any restriction on the license (ex. business, target, etc.) |
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My permit is target to and from and hunting where legal. I knew that being in NY this would be a problem. Are there critters that you can hunt year round, small game? How does out of NYS go do I need to take a test in other states to carry there? My Google skills are weak when it comes to this info and anything I find doesn't say much about it.
Thanks again for the advice. Murph |
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I don't even live in NY so I won't be of any help but NY (and NJ where I live) are anything but gun friendly. If I were you and planned on leaning on using hunting as an excuse to carry in the woods, I would get a copy of the NY hunting regs and know EXACTLY what you would be hunting and what firearms are legal to hunt said quarry. I know its easy to come on here and ask "is it legal to do X?" and you'll get some good advice BUT do your homework before some over zealous LEO or DEC officer puts you over a barrel. Legal advice is usually worth what you pay for it...just sayin |
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Permit Honored: Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, New York, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html Just FYI, Michigan will enforce your carry restrictions. They are not administrative there. Not that backpacking around some of their more colorful cities is even a good idea. |
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Get a PA carry lic. by sending for it and get
Permit Honored: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming Btw I used the same site |
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I have a call into the DEC and reading the law. Advice or personal experience was all I was asking. I would not take what I read on a forum print the page and go running around out there, just get an idea I'm on the right track to understanding it.
Must have said it wrong, If I want to carry my gun out of state (Florida, PA, etc) how does one go about this is what I was asking. Does that help computing? Thanks for the input. |
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I have a call into the DEC and reading the law. Advice or personal experience was all I was asking. I would not take what I read on a forum print the page and go running around out there, just get an idea I'm on the right track to understanding it. Must have said it wrong, If I want to carry my gun out of state (Florida, PA, etc) how does one go about this is what I was asking. Does that help computing? Thanks for the input. An official statement from the DEC about law does not sufficiently set you up for a mistake of law defense if they are wrong. Their opinion is just as worthless as any you will see here, if more conservative. PA apply to the Centre County Sheriff's office by mail for an LTCF. http://www.co.centre.pa.us/sheriff/license_application.asp For Florida you will need a proficiency certificate (NRA BAsic Pistol will do). Request an application packet through the Department of Agriculture's website. http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/FORMS/FormsRequest790.html |
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Better to be revoked than dead....I wouldn't go out into the woods without a firearm....then again, I would probably stay out of the New York woods too. Testing and out of state non-resident requirements vary by state, which are you interested in? That's the way I feel, if it is possible to go about it a legal way (hunting red squirrel's or something) I would feel better. Creepy people in the woods, my last trip on Bear Mt. was proof to that. PA and Florida, I have friends and family in both. I do not need to carry full time in those states, just want to be able to bring with when I go for target shooting without running the risk of jail time. |
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Permit Honored: Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, New York, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html Very helpful thank you. Like I said my Google skill is weak. |
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Better to be revoked than dead....I wouldn't go out into the woods without a firearm....then again, I would probably stay out of the New York woods too. Testing and out of state non-resident requirements vary by state, which are you interested in? That's the way I feel, if it is possible to go about it a legal way (hunting red squirrel's or something) I would feel better. Creepy people in the woods, my last trip on Bear Mt. was proof to that. PA and Florida, I have friends and family in both. I do not need to carry full time in those states, just want to be able to bring with when I go for target shooting without running the risk of jail time. For PA you do not need their LTCF to transport. You can carry in your car on your NY License even though there is no specific reciprocity agreement; you may also carry openly on foot except in Philadelphia without an LTCF. The PA LTCF will allow you to conceal in public, some reciprocity opportunities and will allow you within the 1000' federal school zones (but not on school property itself). |
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Quoted: Quoted: Permit Honored: Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, New York, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html Very helpful thank you. Like I said my Google skill is weak. Unless something has changed recently AFAIK it's a criminal offense in MI to carry concealed within MI outside the restrictions of your NY license. |
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I have a call into the DEC and reading the law. Advice or personal experience was all I was asking. I would not take what I read on a forum print the page and go running around out there, just get an idea I'm on the right track to understanding it. Must have said it wrong, If I want to carry my gun out of state (Florida, PA, etc) how does one go about this is what I was asking. Does that help computing? Thanks for the input. I hear you - just looking out for you. I like to have a gun(s) with me in the woods as well - I camp in VT alot and when I camp the ADKs its usually during rifle season and I buy a NYS hunting license... |
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Quoted: PA and Florida, I have friends and family in both. I do not need to carry full time in those states, just want to be able to bring with when I go for target shooting without running the risk of jail time. A FL CCW has reciprocity with PA so you don't need to get both. You do need a FL CCW to carry in FL though. If you're visiting FL soon have your prints taken electronically in FL and file your application in FL. FL: CCW http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=9&t=378419 PA CCW: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=9&t=336534 |
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PA and Florida, I have friends and family in both. I do not need to carry full time in those states, just want to be able to bring with when I go for target shooting without running the risk of jail time. A FL CCW has reciprocity with PA so you don't need to get both. You do need a FL CCW to carry in FL though. If you're visiting FL soon have your prints taken electronically in FL and file your application in FL. FL: CCW http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=9&t=378419 PA CCW: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=9&t=336534 If it can be had for $26 by mail, why not? Its always easier, especially considering how PPD acts and the legislation they are attempting to ram through, to have the local permit/license. I'm sending off my VA today for example to go with NY, NH, ME, UT, FL, PA and CT. The next project is MA and RI. Sheriff Nau is turing out about 1,000 LTCF's/month and the numbers will be going up until they require that you show up in person. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: what if I have the "sportsman" pistol license..Why couldn't I go walking in the woods with it...The sportsman is for target,hunting,camping,and hiking... What county issued your "sportsman" license? Onondaga Your anti-gun county is simply making up a class of license that doesn't exist under NYS law and is specific to Onondaga county. Suffolk County also issues a "sportsman license" but it is restricted to target/hunting and no other purpose. Onondaga County has even managed to turn your carry concealed license issued for "proper cause" into a "transport unloaded in your trunk" to/from the "sportsman" activity your license was issued for. Camping/hiking is further restricted to remote areas. What qualifies as a "remote area" is also vague/capricious. http://www.ongov.net/sheriff/documents/PLAPPLICATION.pdf IF YOU HAVE A CARRY WITH RESTRICTIONS LICENSE, (SPORTSMAN, EMPLOYMENT) YOU ARE ABLE TO CARRY THE HANDGUN ON YOUR PERSON WHEN YOU ARE PERFORMING THOSE FUNCTIONS LISTED. HOWEVER, TO TRAVEL TO PERFORM THOSE FUNCTIONS, THE HANDGUN MUST BE SECURED IN A LOCKED BOX WITH A TRIGGER LOCK, SECURED IN THE TRUNK WITH THE AMMUNITION SEPARATE. IF YOU HAVE BEEN GRANTED A "SPORTSMAN” PISTOL LICENSE, THIS RESTRICTION ENTITLES YOU TO USE YOUR WEAPON FOR THE PURPOSES OF HUNTING, TARGET SHOOTING, CAMPING OR HIKING IN REMOTE AREAS – NOT POSTED, & COMPETITION SHOOTING. |
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what if I have the "sportsman" pistol license..Why couldn't I go walking in the woods with it...The sportsman is for target,hunting,camping,and hiking... What county issued your "sportsman" license? Onondaga Your anti-gun county is simply making up a class of license that doesn't exist under NYS law and is specific to Onondaga county. Suffolk County also issues a "sportsman license" but it is restricted to target/hunting and no other purpose. Onondaga County has even managed to turn your carry concealed license issued for "proper cause" into a "transport unloaded in your trunk" to/from the "sportsman" activity your license was issued for. Camping/hiking is further restricted to remote areas. What qualifies as a "remote area" is also vague/capricious. http://www.ongov.net/sheriff/documents/PLAPPLICATION.pdf IF YOU HAVE A CARRY WITH RESTRICTIONS LICENSE, (SPORTSMAN, EMPLOYMENT) YOU ARE ABLE TO CARRY THE HANDGUN ON YOUR PERSON WHEN YOU ARE PERFORMING THOSE FUNCTIONS LISTED. HOWEVER, TO TRAVEL TO PERFORM THOSE FUNCTIONS, THE HANDGUN MUST BE SECURED IN A LOCKED BOX WITH A TRIGGER LOCK, SECURED IN THE TRUNK WITH THE AMMUNITION SEPARATE. IF YOU HAVE BEEN GRANTED A "SPORTSMAN” PISTOL LICENSE, THIS RESTRICTION ENTITLES YOU TO USE YOUR WEAPON FOR THE PURPOSES OF HUNTING, TARGET SHOOTING, CAMPING OR HIKING IN REMOTE AREAS – NOT POSTED, & COMPETITION SHOOTING. Wait, WHAT!? Our county is "anti-gun"? 
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what if I have the "sportsman" pistol license..Why couldn't I go walking in the woods with it...The sportsman is for target,hunting,camping,and hiking... What county issued your "sportsman" license? Onondaga Your anti-gun county is simply making up a class of license that doesn't exist under NYS law and is specific to Onondaga county. Suffolk County also issues a "sportsman license" but it is restricted to target/hunting and no other purpose. Onondaga County has even managed to turn your carry concealed license issued for "proper cause" into a "transport unloaded in your trunk" to/from the "sportsman" activity your license was issued for. Camping/hiking is further restricted to remote areas. What qualifies as a "remote area" is also vague/capricious. http://www.ongov.net/sheriff/documents/PLAPPLICATION.pdf IF YOU HAVE A CARRY WITH RESTRICTIONS LICENSE, (SPORTSMAN, EMPLOYMENT) YOU ARE ABLE TO CARRY THE HANDGUN ON YOUR PERSON WHEN YOU ARE PERFORMING THOSE FUNCTIONS LISTED. HOWEVER, TO TRAVEL TO PERFORM THOSE FUNCTIONS, THE HANDGUN MUST BE SECURED IN A LOCKED BOX WITH A TRIGGER LOCK, SECURED IN THE TRUNK WITH THE AMMUNITION SEPARATE. IF YOU HAVE BEEN GRANTED A "SPORTSMAN” PISTOL LICENSE, THIS RESTRICTION ENTITLES YOU TO USE YOUR WEAPON FOR THE PURPOSES OF HUNTING, TARGET SHOOTING, CAMPING OR HIKING IN REMOTE AREAS – NOT POSTED, & COMPETITION SHOOTING. Wait, WHAT!? Our county is "anti-gun"?
So my county is anti-gun rite???But I still have more rights with the suffolk county because I can take my pistol camping or hiking out in the woods...I know our state of N.Y. is home of the highest taxes and worst gun laws....It's horrible what is going on here |
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