Posted: 1/17/2013 6:17:21 PM EDT
| This might have been covered but does a bullet button bypass the "assault weapon" law by making the mag permanent? |
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I mean... worth a shot, right? You get caught, you simply state that the according to what you know to be true the magazine is "fixed." If you're on the fence about registration that's what I would do. Two more questions: 1) Would I be requried to register an unbuilt pre-ban lower? 2) Are there any "bullet button" type devices for an AK platform? Already found an answer to my #2 question |
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I mean... worth a shot, right? You get caught, you simply state that the according to what you know to be true the magazine is "fixed." If you're on the fence about registration that's what I would do. Two more questions: 1) Would I be requried to register an unbuilt pre-ban lower? 2) Are there any "bullet button" type devices for an AK platform? No to # 1 - only AW's will need to be registered and stripped receivers can't be an AW by definition - they are stripped of all evil features I think yes to # 2 - thought I've seen some on GB - may be wrong though - nothing Google can't tell you pretty quick I'm sure. |
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I mean... worth a shot, right? You get caught, you simply state that the according to what you know to be true the magazine is "fixed." If you're on the fence about registration that's what I would do. Two more questions: 1) Would I be requried to register an unbuilt pre-ban lower? 2) Are there any "bullet button" type devices for an AK platform? No to # 1 - only AW's will need to be registered and stripped receivers can't be an AW by definition - they are stripped of all evil features I think yes to # 2 - thought I've seen some on GB - may be wrong though - nothing Google can't tell you pretty quick I'm sure. But as soon as I build it, it has to be registered? They aren't going to give me shit since it's a pre-ban and can have all the evil features I want on it? |
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Just found this on LIFirearms.com: http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/topic/57936-bullet-buttons-and-mag-locks/#entry720979 A dude put a nut & bolt through the mag release button hole and welded the nut. Voila! Fixed mag. No forced registration. What happens if your mag breaks? |
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Just found this on LIFirearms.com: http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/topic/57936-bullet-buttons-and-mag-locks/#entry720979 A dude put a nut & bolt through the mag release button hole and welded the nut. Voila! Fixed mag. No forced registration. What happens if your mag breaks? Break the weld, put a new mag in and re-weld? |
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I mean... worth a shot, right? You get caught, you simply state that the according to what you know to be true the magazine is "fixed." If you're on the fence about registration that's what I would do. Two more questions: 1) Would I be requried to register an unbuilt pre-ban lower? 2) Are there any "bullet button" type devices for an AK platform? No to # 1 - only AW's will need to be registered and stripped receivers can't be an AW by definition - they are stripped of all evil features I think yes to # 2 - thought I've seen some on GB - may be wrong though - nothing Google can't tell you pretty quick I'm sure. But as soon as I build it, it has to be registered? They aren't going to give me shit since it's a pre-ban and can have all the evil features I want on it? Anything that has one or more evil features come registration date will need to be registered if you want to comply with the law. If you were in possession of a pre SAFE 2013 "COMPLIANT" configuration you will be allowed to register it - another way of saying it is: as long as you were within the law when the new law was passed you are OK and from what you described you are. |
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(VIII) A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR FIREARM; This renders the bullet button useless since your AR no matter what make or model is a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle. They went all out and closed all possible loopholes. I think you're taking the above out of context if I'm not mistaken... |
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Just found this on LIFirearms.com: http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/topic/57936-bullet-buttons-and-mag-locks/#entry720979 A dude put a nut & bolt through the mag release button hole and welded the nut. Voila! Fixed mag. No forced registration. What happens if your mag breaks? Break the weld, put a new mag in and reweld? Why not just install a bullet button without the spring then? The bullet button would not work to release the mag, and the only way to get the mag out would be to disassemble the entire magazine catch assembly using the bullet button tool. |
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Just found this on LIFirearms.com: http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/topic/57936-bullet-buttons-and-mag-locks/#entry720979 A dude put a nut & bolt through the mag release button hole and welded the nut. Voila! Fixed mag. No forced registration. What happens if your mag breaks? Break the weld, put a new mag in and reweld? Why not just install a bullet button without the spring then? The bullet button would not work to release the mag, and the only way to get the mag out would be to disassemble the entire magazine catch assembly using the bullet button tool. 
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Why not just install a bullet button without the spring then? The bullet button would not work to release the mag, and the only way to get the mag out would be to disassemble the entire magazine catch assembly using the bullet button tool. These are the questions we should be asking. Would that be GTG? Would you feel comfortable taking that to the range without fear of being swept away by the gestapo? Hard to say, but it would be more permanent than using the bullet button in its intended form. You could also take a look at this: Mag lock kit Ultimately it would be up to the State Police. |
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How do we find out without tipping them off as to a possible loophole? I feel that part is very simple. First off, let's stop referring to it as a "loophole" and let's just deal with it as a way to stay law abiding citizens. Put the bullet button on and go about your business. When the year deadline is up and when and if you are approached by the NYSP. Just tell them that your interpretation of the law was that your rifle, didn't fall under an "assault weapon" due to the fact that it didn't have a detachable magazine, therefore you didn't register it. At that point, if they can prove otherwise, you will have an additional 30 day to either register it or transfer it. Someone correct me if I am wrong. |
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I ordered a mag release with a set screw the other day.
You tighten the screw when the mag is in and it turns it into a fixed mag, you either need to top load it, or take it out with an allen wrench. I called the state police (I know, not the best source) and asked them what they thought about that, the guy I spoke with said he believed that would remove the gun from the assault weapons category. |
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I'm not seeing how this is a loophole.
All fixed magazine firearms have a way of removing the magazine with tools for the purposes of maintenance and repair, don't they? I don't think the bullet button would fly, and I've used and installed them in the past. But a fixed mag catch assembly that requires disassembly to get the mag out defeats the function of having a detachable mag. |
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(VIII) A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR FIREARM; This renders the bullet button useless since your AR no matter what make or model is a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle. They went all out and closed all possible loopholes. This entry is under the Pistol section so does not apply to long guns. |
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Why not just install a bullet button without the spring then? The bullet button would not work to release the mag, and the only way to get the mag out would be to disassemble the entire magazine catch assembly using the bullet button tool. These are the questions we should be asking. Would that be GTG? Would you feel comfortable taking that to the range without fear of being swept away by the gestapo? Hard to say, but it would be more permanent than using the bullet button in its intended form. You could also take a look at this: Mag lock kit Ultimately it would be up to the State Police. Just received one and installed it today, once the mag is in you can not remove it without an allen wrench. I imagine it would fly, you have to take the upper off to load the mag. |