Posted: 12/16/2010 4:11:58 AM EDT
| A friend of a friend is offering to conduct a class for a group of us to get CHLs from Idaho - not sure why Idaho. It looks like this license is good in several states including Texas. Is there any reason I should have a Texas CHL rather than this one? |
|
Quoted: A friend of a friend is offering to conduct a class for a group of us to get CHLs from Idaho - not sure why Idaho. It looks like this license is good in several states including Texas. Is there any reason I should have a Texas CHL rather than this one? What state do you live in? If you live in Texas, I do not know why you would want to know the laws of Idaho wrt to carry of firearms. Wouldn't you want to know where it is legal/illegal to carry in Texas? What Texas deadly force statutes are? If you travel to Idaho a lot, I can understand getting an Idaho CHL in addition to a Texas one, but I cannot see getting an Idaho one instead of a Texas one if you live in Texas. |
|
Quoted:
A friend of a friend is offering to conduct a class for a group of us to get CHLs from Idaho - not sure why Idaho. It looks like this license is good in several states including Texas. Is there any reason I should have a Texas CHL rather than this one? A Texas CHL allows you to skip the FBI NICS check when purchasing a firearm....an out of state license does not. A Texas CHL exempts you from the Federal Gun Free School Zones act.....an out of state license does not. A Texas CHL instructs you on Texas laws regarding firearms & concealed carry IN TEXAS.....an out of state license does not. |
|
Quoted:
A friend of a friend is offering to conduct a class for a group of us to get CHLs from Idaho - not sure why Idaho. It looks like this license is good in several states including Texas. Is there any reason I should have a Texas CHL rather than this one? Because it's cheaper and it currently has reciprocity with Texas. The cost argument is bunk. You will spend more money than that on your carry, holsters, belts, ammo, and further training courses. You do intend to hone your skills and practice your draw, right? |
|
Quoted:
A Texas CHL exempts you from the Federal Gun Free School Zones act.....an out of state license does not. Explain please? Is this in regards to being able to have a gun in your car while on school property, like the school parking lot? I thought that was TX law for anyone and not just CHL holders but I could be wrong. You still can't carry inside a school without permission from the school administration in any case, correct? |
|
Quoted: Quoted: A Texas CHL exempts you from the Federal Gun Free School Zones act.....an out of state license does not. Explain please? Is this in regards to being able to have a gun in your car while on school property, like the school parking lot? I thought that was TX law for anyone and not just CHL holders but I could be wrong. You still can't carry inside a school without permission from the school administration in any case, correct? It allows you to pass within a 1000 feet of a school without committing a Federal felony. TX/CHLs are exempt, non-TX/CHLs are not. |
| I am a TX resident and have a FL CHL license (recently moved to TX). On two seperate occassions I've been chastised by police officers for not having a TX CHL. According to them, reciprocity is only meant to allow non-residents to carry while on vacation or for a very limited time. While nothing happend to me for not having my TX CHL that doesn't mean that I didn't sit on the side of the road for 10 min while they chastised me. |
|
Quoted:
I am a TX resident and have a FL CHL license (recently moved to TX). On two seperate occassions I've been chastised by police officers for not having a TX CHL. According to them, reciprocity is only meant to allow non-residents to carry while on vacation or for a very limited time. While nothing happend to me for not having my TX CHL that doesn't mean that I didn't sit on the side of the road for 10 min while they chastised me. Well, if the law doesn't specifically say that, then they are full of shit. |
|
Lots of good valid reasons listed why you should get the TXCHL.
Reciprocity is fine for carry in state. BUT TX CHL resident license will be honored by more states than non-resident or out-of-state. Reviewing Texas law and bypassing NICS for purchases are probably the 2 most important pluses to getting the TX CHL. |
| I would get the Texas CHL law packet off the DPS website and learn it. If you are comfortable with another state's Non. Res permit then that is all that matters. I carried with a Fla Non.Res for years until Texas made it cheaper for Vets. I learned nothing in the law section of my CHL because I had kept up to date on the changes over the years.SS |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
A friend of a friend is offering to conduct a class for a group of us to get CHLs from Idaho - not sure why Idaho. It looks like this license is good in several states including Texas. Is there any reason I should have a Texas CHL rather than this one? A Texas CHL allows you to skip the FBI NICS check when purchasing a firearm....an out of state license does not. A Texas CHL exempts you from the Federal Gun Free School Zones act.....an out of state license does not. A Texas CHL instructs you on Texas laws regarding firearms & concealed carry IN TEXAS.....an out of state license does not. And most importantly.....your a citizen of Texas....get the Texas license. Its also rumored that Texas will end this "live here but obtain your permit from another state" practice. No, that does not mean its going to affect reciprocity, it means if your a citizen of Texas then you need to take our course, in Texas, and get our license. |
| From a CYA aspect I'd say get a TX CHL because if you are involved in a shooting you will be scrutinized. I wouldn't want to give an overzealous prosecutor any more ammo to use against me in the way of accusing me of not knowing TX laws due to not having a TX CHL, etc. |
|
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A Texas CHL exempts you from the Federal Gun Free School Zones act.....an out of state license does not. Explain please? Is this in regards to being able to have a gun in your car while on school property, like the school parking lot? I thought that was TX law for anyone and not just CHL holders but I could be wrong. You still can't carry inside a school without permission from the school administration in any case, correct? It allows you to pass within a 1000 feet of a school without committing a Federal felony. TX/CHLs are exempt, non-TX/CHLs are not. Can you show me this in statute/code form? |
922(q) |
|
Quoted: Reciprocity means that having any other states permit/license is EQUAL to the Texas CHL. There is no picking what part of the law is covered.SS No it does not. An Out-of-State CHL does not work for NICS either. They are not equal in theory or under state or federal law. This is established Federal law for over a decade now. Is also a problem for LEOs carrying under LEOUSA. -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act |
|
Quoted:
From a CYA aspect I'd say get a TX CHL because if you are involved in a shooting you will be scrutinized. I wouldn't want to give an overzealous prosecutor any more ammo to use against me in the way of accusing me of not knowing TX laws due to not having a TX CHL, etc. Getting your CHL is not the place to take shortcuts... I know there is always someone at the gunshow trying to talk people into getting an out of state chl cause it's easier and cheaper, but as Dynamo stated, why take the chance???? Learn the local laws and save yourself some from some potential deep doo-doo.....IMHO |
|
I recently renewed my WA state CHL for 5 years for $42. I'm not about to pay $300 for the TX one and waste an entire day learning about the state regs when I can download them at read at my own leisure. I got my CHL in UT 15 years ago too so I will take my chances. I have never had LEO chastise me, if they did I would call their BS.
TX CHL prices are total BS too. In (a very left leaning) WA state you get printed, pay your $60 for 5 years and renew for $32 or $42 if you are late (has to be in person), no classes or any other BS. I was stunned TX had such a process and cost to get your CHL, being such a gun friendly state 
|
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
I am a TX resident and have a FL CHL license (recently moved to TX). On two seperate occassions I've been chastised by police officers for not having a TX CHL. According to them, reciprocity is only meant to allow non-residents to carry while on vacation or for a very limited time. While nothing happend to me for not having my TX CHL that doesn't mean that I didn't sit on the side of the road for 10 min while they chastised me. Well, if the law doesn't specifically say that, then they are full of shit. They are, but what can anyone do about it? We're all basically at their mercy in situations like this. |
|
Quoted:
There has been a bill introduced that, if passed, will make your out of state CHL invalid in Texas if you are a resident of Texas. Wasn't that introduced by a libtard Democrat? Hopefully it will die and never make it to a vote. Hopefully the 2nd Amendment rights groups are opposing it. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
There has been a bill introduced that, if passed, will make your out of state CHL invalid in Texas if you are a resident of Texas. Good. Be a Texan or be somewhere else. (We need border crossing checkpoints along the Red River) While I agree with you up to a point, no legislation that infringes on gun rights is a good thing, so I think you are going over the edge into FUD-dom with this one... FWIW, I have my TX CHL and I buy/do business Texan whenever I can. But I'd rather have more people with CHLs even if they are out-of-state nonresident ones. |
|
Quoted: Quoted: There has been a bill introduced that, if passed, will make your out of state CHL invalid in Texas if you are a resident of Texas. Good. Be a Texan or be somewhere else. (We need border crossing checkpoints along the Red River) Yeah, what we actually need is LESS rights. While we're at it, let's just make it harder to get a permit. |
|
You guys really do not think things thru very well do you?
When the day comes that you go to trial or a grand jury after USING that Idaho/Utah/ Florida/Disney World permit, What do you think the opposing council is going to say? He KNEW he could not get a carry permit in Texas, therefore he CHEATED and BOUGHT one in Utah.. He was so EAGER to shoot someone, he went to Utah and BOUGHT an out of state permit rather than MAKE THE EFFORT to obey the LAW in Texas. Etc Etc. I'm quite sure the prosecution could spend all day on this subject. Now, you are perfectly free to get a Utah (or any other state) permit, and the jury is perfectly free in sending your ass to prison when the prosecution uses it to hammer home the belief that you are a criminal looking for a way to get around Texas law. And be truthful, you ARE looking for a way around Texas law. Don't be a cheap bastard. Do what will save your ass and spend a few bucks. |
|
Quoted:
Is there any reason I should have a Texas CHL rather than this one? Aside from the reasons already mentioned, keep in mind that if you have a non-resident permit from Idaho you will not be able to legally carry in Colorado, New Mexico, Kansas, Minnesota, Michigan, Mississippi, Florida, South Carolina, Virginia, or Delaware. That may or may not be of concern to you. There are no states that will honor a non-resident permit from Idaho that will not also a resident Texas permit. ~Bill |
|
Quoted: You guys really do not think things thru very well do you? When the day comes that you go to trial or a grand jury after USING that Idaho/Utah/ Florida/Disney World permit, What do you think the opposing council is going to say? He KNEW he could not get a carry permit in Texas, therefore he CHEATED and BOUGHT one in Utah.. He was so EAGER to shoot someone, he went to Utah and BOUGHT an out of state permit rather than MAKE THE EFFORT to obey the LAW in Texas. Etc Etc. I'm quite sure the prosecution could spend all day on this subject. Now, you are perfectly free to get a Utah (or any other state) permit, and the jury is perfectly free in sending your ass to prison when the prosecution uses it to hammer home the belief that you are a criminal looking for a way to get around Texas law. And be truthful, you ARE looking for a way around Texas law. Don't be a cheap bastard. Do what will save your ass and spend a few bucks. Yeah, and the prosecution is also going to get you convicted because you were using hollow points which proves that you were just looking to kill someone.  We've only been hearing that one for the last couple of decades. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
A friend of a friend is offering to conduct a class for a group of us to get CHLs from Idaho - not sure why Idaho. It looks like this license is good in several states including Texas. Is there any reason I should have a Texas CHL rather than this one? Because it's cheaper and it currently has reciprocity with Texas. The cost argument is bunk. You will spend more money than that on your carry, holsters, belts, ammo, and further training courses. You do intend to hone your skills and practice your draw, right? +1. Considering the time, money, and trouble it takes to get a really good carry pistol that you shoot well, holster and belt setup that is comfortable, conceals well, and draws quickly, and enough effective ammo to make sure the gun likes it, it seems kinda pointless to try and save $50 or whatever by getting an out of state permit. And sure, you can study the law on your own, but why not have every possible advantage you can get? |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
You guys really do not think things thru very well do you? When the day comes that you go to trial or a grand jury after USING that Idaho/Utah/ Florida/Disney World permit, What do you think the opposing council is going to say? He KNEW he could not get a carry permit in Texas, therefore he CHEATED and BOUGHT one in Utah.. He was so EAGER to shoot someone, he went to Utah and BOUGHT an out of state permit rather than MAKE THE EFFORT to obey the LAW in Texas. Etc Etc. I'm quite sure the prosecution could spend all day on this subject. Now, you are perfectly free to get a Utah (or any other state) permit, and the jury is perfectly free in sending your ass to prison when the prosecution uses it to hammer home the belief that you are a criminal looking for a way to get around Texas law. And be truthful, you ARE looking for a way around Texas law. Don't be a cheap bastard. Do what will save your ass and spend a few bucks. Yeah, and the prosecution is also going to get you convicted because you were using hollow points which proves that you were just looking to kill someone. http://../../../../images/smilies/anim_rolleyes.gif We've only been hearing that one for the last couple of decades. Well then, why don't you run right out and get one and let the prosecutor play? The ":More people that have a permit is good" argument is BS. They ALREADY would get a Texas permit. They just want to save $50. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
You guys really do not think things thru very well do you? When the day comes that you go to trial or a grand jury after USING that Idaho/Utah/ Florida/Disney World permit, What do you think the opposing council is going to say? He KNEW he could not get a carry permit in Texas, therefore he CHEATED and BOUGHT one in Utah.. He was so EAGER to shoot someone, he went to Utah and BOUGHT an out of state permit rather than MAKE THE EFFORT to obey the LAW in Texas. Etc Etc. I'm quite sure the prosecution could spend all day on this subject. Now, you are perfectly free to get a Utah (or any other state) permit, and the jury is perfectly free in sending your ass to prison when the prosecution uses it to hammer home the belief that you are a criminal looking for a way to get around Texas law. And be truthful, you ARE looking for a way around Texas law. Don't be a cheap bastard. Do what will save your ass and spend a few bucks. Yeah, and the prosecution is also going to get you convicted because you were using hollow points which proves that you were just looking to kill someone. http://../../../../images/smilies/anim_rolleyes.gif We've only been hearing that one for the last couple of decades. Well then, why don't you run right out and get one and let the prosecutor play? The ":More people that have a permit is good" argument is BS. They ALREADY would get a Texas permit. They just want to save $50. I understand your point; but your justification for using deadly force is not based on from where your CHL, if any, is issued. If there is some case law where a person was adjudicated as not justified because of where his license was issued I would be interested in reading it. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
There has been a bill introduced that, if passed, will make your out of state CHL invalid in Texas if you are a resident of Texas. I wonder if the same mentality will invalidate marriages of people from a different state that now live in Texas. Are the laws for engaging in act of marriage different in the different states? Are there background restrictions for marriage that are different? If not, then the "same mentality" is non applicable. ;) |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
You guys really do not think things thru very well do you? When the day comes that you go to trial or a grand jury after USING that Idaho/Utah/ Florida/Disney World permit, What do you think the opposing council is going to say? He KNEW he could not get a carry permit in Texas, therefore he CHEATED and BOUGHT one in Utah.. He was so EAGER to shoot someone, he went to Utah and BOUGHT an out of state permit rather than MAKE THE EFFORT to obey the LAW in Texas. Etc Etc. I'm quite sure the prosecution could spend all day on this subject. Now, you are perfectly free to get a Utah (or any other state) permit, and the jury is perfectly free in sending your ass to prison when the prosecution uses it to hammer home the belief that you are a criminal looking for a way to get around Texas law. And be truthful, you ARE looking for a way around Texas law. Don't be a cheap bastard. Do what will save your ass and spend a few bucks. Yeah, and the prosecution is also going to get you convicted because you were using hollow points which proves that you were just looking to kill someone. http://../../../../images/smilies/anim_rolleyes.gif We've only been hearing that one for the last couple of decades. Well then, why don't you run right out and get one and let the prosecutor play? O.K., but is what you are saying based on any actual knowledge of cases here in Texas, or just pure supposition? Depending on the judge, and assuming that the defendant had a competent attorney the prosecutor might not get very far with those kind of arguments, in fact they could end up screwing their own case pretty bad. At any rate, I have never heard of a case where a prosecutor has made an argument like that. Would I want to be the first one? No... but as I said, I have my TX CHL. The ":More people that have a permit is good" argument is BS. They ALREADY would get a Texas permit. They just want to save $50.
So you know what they would do? Really? Admittedly $50 is a pretty small amount to be a cheapskate over (I usually spend more on that in ammo in a few hours at the range), but perhaps some of these people are really on a tight budget. Who am I or you or anyone else to judge them for that? As for the indignity about "looking for a way around the law"... It is either legal or its not. Right now it is legal for a TX resident to carry on an out of state non-resident permit with Texas reciprocity. I'd rather not see any more laws that restrict freedoms in Texas, so I am opposed to any law changing that. Only a FUD or an anti-gunner would say that more people having a permit is a bad thing or making it harder to get a permit would be a good thing. |
|
Quoted: hmm interesting. As a CHL instructor that was not brought up in our week long class....I need to do more research. TX Invest what is your take?922(q)(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone. (B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm–– (i) on private property not part of school grounds; (ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license; |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
hmm interesting. As a CHL instructor that was not brought up in our week long class....I need to do more research. TX Invest what is your take?
922(q)(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone. (B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm–– (i) on private property not part of school grounds; (ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license; Renegade did not ciite the source of that law, but it is federal law and not state law. Is is US Code title 18. If a non-CHL person travels within 1000 feet of a school he has violated federal law. I never advocate violating the law, but federal laws cannot be enforced by local, non-federal LEOs unless that specific cop has been deputized as a Federal LEO. Very rare for your street cop. |
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.