Posted: 1/14/2009 7:13:55 AM EDT
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TX DPS has a CHL FAQ (I believe this may be the CHL Manual) starting on pg. 65 here:
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf#page=71 (Adobe Acrobat considers it pg.71, but the page number on the document itself shows to be 65) The last FAQ item on the page states: Q: Can others find out if I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun?
I have read/heard here over the years that part of the rationale for declaring your CHL (i.e. to an officer/deputy of a PD/SO during a traffic stop) was that it would show up when they ran your DL.
A: Information about persons who are licensed to carry a concealed handgun is confidential and may not be disclosed to an individual. However, upon proper request by a criminal justice agency, DPS must disclose to the agency whether or not a named individual is licensed to carry a concealed handgun. Disclosable information includes the license holder's name, date of birth, gender, and zip code. DPS must notify the license holder about the request and provide himlher the name of the agency making the request. If that is the case, would a CHL receive a notification in the mail after such a stop? |
| I was told that SAPD has CHL info pop up on their screen when they run you in their system during a traffic stop. As it's already in whatever system/database they are using, I'm don't think that counts as a "request" that would result in DPS sending notification. Probably more so if some agency sends a written request or phones them directly for info. |
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Seems like DPS (LEO on the street) asking for info from DPS (CHL Licensing Bureau) would not require a notification to the CHL holder. Appears to be inter-agency info sharing. This part here: However, upon proper request by a criminal justice agency, DPS must disclose to the agency whether or not a named individual is licensed to carry a concealed handgun. makes me think they're referring to an Agency other than DPS. |
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Intra-agency, IIRC.
Seems like DPS (LEO on the street) asking for info from DPS (CHL Licensing Bureau) would not require a notification to the CHL holder. Appears to be inter-agency info sharing. The way this is written, I could see a Trooper pulling someone over having it come up, with no need for any request (DPS-to-DPS information, so to speak). But (again, the way this is written) it would seem like a police officer from a municipality or a Sheriff's Deputy (for example) would need to make such a request. (which would/should? generate a notice to the CHL) This part here:
Right. That's the way I read it. An CJ agency other than TX DPS. I suppose the "CJ agency" language would/could? even include non-LE agencies.
However, upon proper request by a criminal justice agency, DPS must disclose to the agency whether or not a named individual is licensed to carry a concealed handgun. makes me think they're referring to an Agency other than DPS. |
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I don't know, it is attached to the DL record and that database is seperate from other databases on TLETS. It is put there by DPS, so when Ft Worth PD checks your DL status they are not specifically asking if you have a CHL. It is there as a matter of the DL record and the agency pulling the driver license return dd not inquire about the CHL status.
I imagine there is a section of the Government Code, Adminstrative Code or other code that covers this. |
Because I had to look it up.  Texas Crime Information Center (TCIC)
The way that's written, they don't expressly state that CHL status would come up, although it could be an 'oversight' (in our eyes.... not everyone cares as much about this particular issue as we do; e.g. enough for it to get listed here).
The Texas Crime Information Center (TCIC) provides immediate access 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to law enforcement agencies throughout the state to data regarding the stolen status of property and the wanted, missing, sex offender, or protective order status of persons. TCIC is accessed via the Texas Law Enforcement Telecommunications System (TLETS) resulting in responses within 12 seconds to inquiries from police departments, sheriffs' offices, and other criminal justice users. TCIC also provides a direct link to the NCIC so that law enforcement officers throughout Texas know instantly whether a vehicle, a boat, or other property under investigation is stolen, or a person in question is wanted anywhere in the country. Crime Records strategies assist the local law enforcement agencies in their reporting to and inquiring in the on-line databases. Timeliness and validity of entry and removal of stolen and wanted records are the Crime Records priorities. |
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Actually, I don't know if it's attached to the DL record (a CHL won't come up if you just run the DL number), but it does come up as a TCIC hit just as a TCIC warrant or sex offender hit would show up when you check someone by name & DOB. Are you LEO? DPS tells instructors that the CHL status comes up on a DL check. |
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Actually, I don't know if it's attached to the DL record (a CHL won't come up if you just run the DL number), but it does come up as a TCIC hit just as a TCIC warrant or sex offender hit would show up when you check someone by name & DOB. Are you LEO? DPS tells instructors that the CHL status comes up on a DL check. No. I'm a full certified NCIC operator. DPS is wrong if that's what they're telling you. It comes up with a wanted check which is different than a straight-up DL check. |
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Actually, I don't know if it's attached to the DL record (a CHL won't come up if you just run the DL number), but it does come up as a TCIC hit just as a TCIC warrant or sex offender hit would show up when you check someone by name & DOB. Are you LEO? DPS tells instructors that the CHL status comes up on a DL check. No. I'm a full certified NCIC operator. DPS is wrong if that's what they're telling you. It comes up with a wanted check which is different than a straight-up DL check. Just verified with a police officer who checks them. The CHL statutus shows if you run a straight DL check. |
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Just verified with a police officer who checks them. The CHL statutus shows if you run a straight DL check. Okay, I just checked myself at work (you know, for training purposes), and my CHL info does not show up on a standard DL check - neither by number nor name/DOB. While your police officer friend may think he did a regular DL check, what he most likely did was a combo check which checks both for wants and DL/ID. This is how it's normally done. After all, why check separately when you can do it all at once? When checking for wants, the TCIC hit with the CHL info shows up. When checking for a DL/ID, the DL/ID is all that is returned. When using the combo form, everything shows up (short of a criminal history which uses a different form). I don't mean to get in a pissin' contest or anything. I know you're extremely knowledgable in a lot of areas. But you need to understand that police officers are generally certified as limited access operators and go through a much more abbreviated training regimen than a full access operator (ie: me). Their knowledge, capabilities, and access to the system is much more limited compared to that of a full access operator. Trust me. I routinely have to remind officers how something is or isn't done and that something can or cannot be done. |
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Just verified with a police officer who checks them. The CHL statutus shows if you run a straight DL check. Okay, I just checked myself at work (you know, for training purposes), and my CHL info does not show up on a standard DL check - neither by number nor name/DOB. While your police officer friend may think he did a regular DL check, what he most likely did was a combo check which checks both for wants and DL/ID. This is how it's normally done. After all, why check separately when you can do it all at once? When checking for wants, the TCIC hit with the CHL info shows up. When checking for a DL/ID, the DL/ID is all that is returned. When using the combo form, everything shows up (short of a criminal history which uses a different form). I don't mean to get in a pissin' contest or anything. I know you're extremely knowledgable in a lot of areas. But you need to understand that police officers are generally certified as limited access operators and go through a much more abbreviated training regimen than a full access operator (ie: me). Their knowledge, capabilities, and access to the system is much more limited compared to that of a full access operator. Trust me. I routinely have to remind officers how something is or isn't done and that something can or cannot be done. I have NEVER seen a CHL show up when checking by number ONLY but when by name/dob, I always have seen it (at least when people show my their CHL). |
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I have NEVER seen a CHL show up when checking by number ONLY but when by name/dob, I always have seen it (at least when people show my their CHL). Just tried it both ways through the CAD as well as through Omnixx. No CHL return. When checking by Name/DOB, you more than likely used the combo screen (RSDW), whether you knew it or not. There's a separate form (DL) for checking DL/ID only. |
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Wow, sorry I wasn't able to check this thread yesterday.... lots of great info and discussion! Quoted:
So if the info comes from different screens (and behind the scenes, different queries searching different databases/indexes), wouldn't use of the one that checks for CHL status (RSDW) trigger some sort of 'notification'? Quoted:
Just tried it both ways through the CAD as well as through Omnixx. No CHL return.
I have NEVER seen a CHL show up when checking by number ONLY but when by name/dob, I always have seen it (at least when people show my their CHL). When checking by Name/DOB, you more than likely used the combo screen (RSDW), whether you knew it or not. There's a separate form (DL) for checking DL/ID only. 
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When I moved about 2 years a go I did a change of address on my D.L. first, the lady that was helping me said, don't forget your C.H.L. I quess I looked at her funny because she said it comes up any time we inter some ones D.L. number. I personaly don't worry much about it, don't ilke it ,but don't know of anything I can do about.
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