Posted: 2/15/2012 9:01:46 PM EDT
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I have to admit that I don't have my CHL- yet. I will be attending a class this Sunday. When we shoot at the range are there any restrictions on the weapon? I have a lame assed reason for asking. I will be using one of my 1911 .45s. I have one that I shoot all the time in competition, but it has a red dot optic on it- an UltraDot MatchDot. The rear sight has been removed. I have some others that are just iron sighted but I haven't shot them in a long time, and some were my dad's. He and I have always had very different points of impact/aim with red dots. I don't know if we did with irons, but I haven't shot these in a while, if ever. I did have to adjust the iron sights on the Ruger SBH .44mag I inherited from him, so maybe. I am not sure about the Gold Cup NM, but I think the SA Target may be ok. I may have been the last to shoot it with irons. Can I use optics when qualifying? If not will I be allowed to sight in the pistol before qualifying? I need to buy ammo. I have been handloading for .45acp since almost forever. I think the last time I used "store bought" ammo was in 1985 or so. I guess 230gr ball will be a good choice but even my red dot optic won't be sighted for it. I have been using a 200gr LSWC over 4.5gr WST for about 9 or 20 years and my competition gun is sighted for it. Do I need to sneak off Saturday and sight one in, or is this not worth worrying about? Jim |
| My .02 on this. if you don't have a carry weapon, get one. (Not red dot sighted). If you're .45 is what you want to shoot with steel sights, go for it. Go sight it in, and go buy the cheapest ammo possible for the qualification. The quals are easy as hell, anyone with competition experience shouldn't have any issues. You could always shoot a few shots at quals and just make on the fly adjustments with your sight picture, I doubt the teacher will let you adjust things since they were all about setting the firearm down in between sets. I'd call the range you'll be firing at, or talk to the teacher and see if they'll let you come in a bit early to sight the pistol in if you're that worried about it. Heck, you're paying for the class anyway, I don't see what 5 minutes of range time would hurt. I haven't ever seen anything about optics though. Most ranges have rentals you could use for the quals. |
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I carried a 1911 on duty as a cop back in the '80s, on and off duty. I am comfortable with it and I have a few to choose from. The only reason this caught me a little unprepared is my wife bought me the CHL class for Valentines day- bless her little redneck heart. For ammo I will probably get either Fiocchi or Sellier and Bellot. Both are good and not too expensive. I am used to shooting at 8" steel plates at 25 yards- fast. I usually average 5 seconds from when the timer beeps starting with the muzzle on the bench. I am not worried about qualifying. I just don't want to embarrass myself. My club's range is closed for maintenance Saturday, but I should be able to find one somewhere and check one or two of the pistols out if I need to. Jim |
| You won't be shooting anything fast. My class had three distance to shoot from, 3yd, 7yd and 15yd. Didn't shoot more than 5 rounds at a time. .380 caliber minimum, either semi or revolver and no lasers or optics. Anybody with any shooting experience should breeze right through it. Truthfully the written test was more challenging than the shooting, but both were still quite easy. |
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I am a CHL instructor. State law does not prohibit the use of lasers, optics, etc. You should check with your instructor for his/her policy.
The law requires that you qualify with a .32 or larger. I doubt your instructor will allow time for you to sight in. That should be done before your class. |
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I am a CHL instructor. State law does not prohibit the use of lasers, optics, etc. You should check with your instructor for his/her policy. The law requires that you qualify with a .32 or larger. I doubt your instructor will allow time for you to sight in. That should be done before your class. I too am a CHL Instructor. I don't allow red dots. scopes or lasers to be used on the shooting Qual I guess it depends on the definition of "Optical Enhancer". "An instructor applicant must bring the following required equipment to firearm proficiency training: one non semi-automatic handgun; one semi-automatic handgun; ammunition; ear protection (over-the-ear) and eye protection; other appropriate protective clothing; and other equipment as determined by the department. Handguns must be at least .32 caliber. No optical enhancers will be allowed for instructor applicants or for applicants of concealed handgun licenses. " here Gringop |
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I am a CHL instructor. State law does not prohibit the use of lasers, optics, etc. You should check with your instructor for his/her policy. The law requires that you qualify with a .32 or larger. I doubt your instructor will allow time for you to sight in. That should be done before your class. I too am a CHL Instructor. I don't allow red dots. scopes or lasers to be used on the shooting Qual I guess it depends on the definition of "Optical Enhancer". "An instructor applicant must bring the following required equipment to firearm proficiency training: one non semi-automatic handgun; one semi-automatic handgun; ammunition; ear protection (over-the-ear) and eye protection; other appropriate protective clothing; and other equipment as determined by the department. Handguns must be at least .32 caliber. No optical enhancers will be allowed for instructor applicants or for applicants of concealed handgun licenses. " here Gringop I was mistaken, and I completely forgot about that section, I have never had a person ask to use one. Odd wording, I guess I have to remove my contacts next time at instructor school. ;) |
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No problem. I can use irons. I took the trophy in my academy class with iron sights. That was a long time ago though. 15 yards is the longest we will shoot? Jim IIRC, yes the max is 15 yards. You shoot a bunch at 3 and 5 yards. Hell, I bet you could pass without any sights, just point shooting. Don't worry about it. |
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I am a CHL instructor. State law does not prohibit the use of lasers, optics, etc. You should check with your instructor for his/her policy. The law requires that you qualify with a .32 or larger. I doubt your instructor will allow time for you to sight in. That should be done before your class. I too am a CHL Instructor. I don't allow red dots. scopes or lasers to be used on the shooting Qual I guess it depends on the definition of "Optical Enhancer". "An instructor applicant must bring the following required equipment to firearm proficiency training: one non semi-automatic handgun; one semi-automatic handgun; ammunition; ear protection (over-the-ear) and eye protection; other appropriate protective clothing; and other equipment as determined by the department. Handguns must be at least .32 caliber. No optical enhancers will be allowed for instructor applicants or for applicants of concealed handgun licenses. " here Gringop I was mistaken, and I completely forgot about that section, I have never had a person ask to use one. Odd wording, I guess I have to remove my contacts next time at instructor school. ;) did they add this recently? I qualified on the instructors course with a laser sight. Used it too. Was part of some of the first classes back in 96 I think. So if they added it I will shut up. Otherwise they let me use the laser in austin. Red dot might be different though. It was the only semi auto I had at the time. Had a laser and comp on it. Every range officer there had to walk by and make fun of it. It is literally the only reason I passed. Bought a crap load of fiochi cause it was cheap and I had to tap rack and reload almost every other round while under the clock. Failed to fire like 2 rounds in the alloted time total, but the rest were on the money because of the laser. |
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I am a CHL instructor. State law does not prohibit the use of lasers, optics, etc. You should check with your instructor for his/her policy. The law requires that you qualify with a .32 or larger. I doubt your instructor will allow time for you to sight in. That should be done before your class. I too am a CHL Instructor. I don't allow red dots. scopes or lasers to be used on the shooting Qual I guess it depends on the definition of "Optical Enhancer". "An instructor applicant must bring the following required equipment to firearm proficiency training: one non semi-automatic handgun; one semi-automatic handgun; ammunition; ear protection (over-the-ear) and eye protection; other appropriate protective clothing; and other equipment as determined by the department. Handguns must be at least .32 caliber. No optical enhancers will be allowed for instructor applicants or for applicants of concealed handgun licenses. " here Gringop I was mistaken, and I completely forgot about that section, I have never had a person ask to use one. Odd wording, I guess I have to remove my contacts next time at instructor school. ;) did they add this recently? I qualified on the instructors course with a laser sight. Used it too. Was part of some of the first classes back in 96 I think. So if they added it I will shut up. Otherwise they let me use the laser in austin. Red dot might be different though. It was the only semi auto I had at the time. Had a laser and comp on it. Every range officer there had to walk by and make fun of it. It is literally the only reason I passed. Bought a crap load of fiochi cause it was cheap and I had to tap rack and reload almost every other round while under the clock. Failed to fire like 2 rounds in the alloted time total, but the rest were on the money because of the laser. I don't know if LASERS are "optical enhancers". |
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I don't know if LASERS are "optical enhancers". I recently asked the DPS this very question...see below. Laser not allowed. ________________________________________ From: CHLinstructors [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: Clikclikpull Subject: RE: Laser aiming devices Laser devices are not allowed in showing proficiency. The student will not be able to use this equipment. Deadra Nealy Investigator II- Eligibility Evaluation Unit Licensing & Registration Services Regulatory Services Division ––––-Original Message––––- From: Clikclikpull Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:39 AM To: CHLinstructors Subject: Laser aiming devices I recently had a student inquire as to wether he may qualify with a pistol equipt with a laser aiming device. Is this allowed? In this particular case (Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .380) the laser is built in to the weapon and can not be removed. The laser CAN however be turned off if the shooter desires. Thanks, Clikclikpull |
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If someone can't pass the shooting portion with a gun that has NO SIGHTS then they should be required to do 50 push ups. You'd be surprised how many INSTRUCTORS would have to do the push ups next to their students...no joke. You gotta sh!tting me. |
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If someone can't pass the shooting portion with a gun that has NO SIGHTS then they should be required to do 50 push ups. You'd be surprised how many INSTRUCTORS would have to do the push ups next to their students...no joke. You gotta sh!tting me. In all fairness I can only comment on the instructor school I participated in. Considering instructors have to shoot 90%, I was surprised to see 3, or 4 potential instructors shot below 70% the first time through. My class had approx 100 students. |
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I don't know if LASERS are "optical enhancers". I recently asked the DPS this very question...see below. Laser not allowed. ________________________________________ From: CHLinstructors [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: Clikclikpull Subject: RE: Laser aiming devices Laser devices are not allowed in showing proficiency. The student will not be able to use this equipment. Deadra Nealy Investigator II- Eligibility Evaluation Unit Licensing & Registration Services Regulatory Services Division ––––-Original Message––––- From: Clikclikpull Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:39 AM To: CHLinstructors Subject: Laser aiming devices I recently had a student inquire as to wether he may qualify with a pistol equipt with a laser aiming device. Is this allowed? In this particular case (Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .380) the laser is built in to the weapon and can not be removed. The laser CAN however be turned off if the shooter desires. Thanks, Clikclikpull I don't see how a laser is an optical enhancer. I am going to have to ask for their source for that ruling. |
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If someone can't pass the shooting portion with a gun that has NO SIGHTS then they should be required to do 50 push ups. 50 pushups? Screw that! Back when I was a cop we qualified on a combat course that was very similar to what they shoot in IDPA now. Until I had to take a shot at 15 yards I really didn't use my sights. My RO taught me to shoot instinctively and I always qualified in first place- even though we didn't really keep score. I haven't tried shooting like that in a long time but I should be OK. I haven't shot under 25 yards in over 10 years so I am not really worried. If I get a chance I think I will go Saturday just to verify my sights. I don't want to be thinking about my weapon while shooting. Thanks, Jim |
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does the range have to meet certian state requirements, or can shooting on a safe range on private
land that is not qualified (NRA, ect) but safe be used? I have from 20 to 1000 acres available for this. the reason I'm asking is some instructors will come to you're place if you have a classroom & range and you can get a better deal with a group. The one guy that was willing to do this for free is no longer doing it. thanks |
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If someone can't pass the shooting portion with a gun that has NO SIGHTS then they should be required to do 50 push ups. 50 pushups? Screw that! Back when I was a cop we qualified on a combat course that was very similar to what they shoot in IDPA now. Until I had to take a shot at 15 yards I really didn't use my sights. My RO taught me to shoot instinctively and I always qualified in first place- even though we didn't really keep score. I haven't tried shooting like that in a long time but I should be OK. I haven't shot under 25 yards in over 10 years so I am not really worried. If I get a chance I think I will go Saturday just to verify my sights. I don't want to be thinking about my weapon while shooting. Thanks, Jim If some grandmas can pass the quals, without sighting in, then you can. 
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does the range have to meet certian state requirements, or can shooting on a safe range on private land that is not qualified (NRA, ect) but safe be used? I have from 20 to 1000 acres available for this. the reason I'm asking is some instructors will come to you're place if you have a classroom & range and you can get a better deal with a group. The one guy that was willing to do this for free is no longer doing it. thanks DPS no longer certifies ranges for CHL. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I am a CHL instructor. State law does not prohibit the use of lasers, optics, etc. You should check with your instructor for his/her policy. The law requires that you qualify with a .32 or larger. I doubt your instructor will allow time for you to sight in. That should be done before your class. I too am a CHL Instructor. I don't allow red dots. scopes or lasers to be used on the shooting Qual I guess it depends on the definition of "Optical Enhancer". "An instructor applicant must bring the following required equipment to firearm proficiency training: one non semi-automatic handgun; one semi-automatic handgun; ammunition; ear protection (over-the-ear) and eye protection; other appropriate protective clothing; and other equipment as determined by the department. Handguns must be at least .32 caliber. No optical enhancers will be allowed for instructor applicants or for applicants of concealed handgun licenses. " here Gringop Really....what an ambiguous term, 'optical enhancers'. What are my eyeglasses?  |
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If someone can't pass the shooting portion with a gun that has NO SIGHTS then they should be required to do 50 push ups. 50 pushups? Screw that! Back when I was a cop we qualified on a combat course that was very similar to what they shoot in IDPA now. Until I had to take a shot at 15 yards I really didn't use my sights. My RO taught me to shoot instinctively and I always qualified in first place- even though we didn't really keep score. I haven't tried shooting like that in a long time but I should be OK. I haven't shot under 25 yards in over 10 years so I am not really worried. If I get a chance I think I will go Saturday just to verify my sights. I don't want to be thinking about my weapon while shooting. Thanks, Jim If some grandmas can pass the quals, without sighting in, then you can. Young people have no manners anymore. 
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